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Gettinthere is Gettin there............

gettinthere said:
Im looking forward to seeing how the clen works with me. Im not so senstive to stims so...... Ill keep you posted. :)

Moe, youll keep me posted on your wifes progress? What are her goals?
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She wants to drop 10lbs of fat. Shes probably 25% bf now at 137.
 
bigmoe65 said:
When you go on your keto what will your total carbs per day be?
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on non-gym, non-cardio days, 75 grams or less
on non-gym, cardio days, around 175 grams
on gym days, around 250 grams.

once per week, is a load day......... around 250 - 500 grams.

I'll tweek this as necessary................ ;)

protein to be about 1 1/2 - 2 gr. per pound of body weight.
 
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I have my wife doing under 30grams a day. I dont think shes getting enough protein though, she hasnt lost any weight this past week but this was the week leading up to her time of the month.
 
bigmoe65 said:
I have my wife doing under 30grams a day. I dont think shes getting enough protein though, she hasnt lost any weight this past week but this was the week leading up to her time of the month.
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When I did keto anything under 50g left me feeling horrible. I did 50-75g and did much better
 
gettinthere said:
the carbs may seem high, but my metab. is very high. I usually skip all cardio because I 'dissapear'................ Each person is different.
30 grams seems very low though.
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If she can function do you see any problem with it?
 
bigmoe65 said:
Interesting. I will keep an eye on her during refeeds.
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I've been doing some research...........
there are a lot of studies that low carb diets are 'long term' bad for you. Hummmmm
Here is a quote from one of the pages I've read. (I'm not saying I agree or dis agree, just that it's out there)


By restricting carbohydrates drastically to a mere fraction of that found in the typical American diet, the body goes into a different metabolic state called ketosis, whereby it burns its own fat for fuel. Normally the body burns carbohydrates for fuel -- this is the main source of fuel for your brain, heart ,and many other organs. A person in ketosis is getting energy from ketones, little carbon fragments that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores. When the body is in ketosis, you tend to feel less hungry, and thus you're likely to eat less than you might otherwise. However, ketosis can also cause health problems, such as kidney failure (see below).​
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As a result, your body changes from a carbohydrate-burning engine into a fat-burning engine. So instead of relying on the carbohydrate-rich items you might typically consume for energy, and leaving your fat stores just where they were before (alas, the hips, belly, and thighs), your fat stores become a primary energy source. The purported result is weight loss.​
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Low-carb diets can cause your body to go into a dangerous metabolic state called ketosis since your body burns fat instead of glucose for energy. During ketosis, the body forms substances known as ketones, which can cause organs to fail and result in gout, kidney stones, or kidney failure. Ketones can also dull a person's appetite, cause nausea and bad breath[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]. Ketosis can be prevented by eating at least 100 grams of carbohydrates a day.
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Here is another view point. Very interesting.
[h=2]Ketosis and insulin synthesis: what is normal? [edit][/h]At the heart of the debate about most low carbohydrate diets are fundamental questions about what is a normal diet and how the human body is supposed to operate. These questions can be outlined as follows:
The diets of most people in modern Western nations, especially the United States, contain large amounts of starches and often substantial amounts of sugars, including fructose. Most westerners seldom exhaust stored glycogen supplies and hence rarely go into ketosis. This has been regarded by the majority of the medical community in the last century as normal for humans.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] Ketosis had been confused with ketoacidosis, a dangerous and extreme ketotic condition associated with diabetes, and had been regarded by the medical community as harmful and potentially life-threatening, who believe it unnecessarily stresses the liver and causes destruction of muscle tissues.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] A perception developed that getting energy chiefly from dietary protein rather than carbohydrates causes liver damage and that getting energy chiefly from dietary fats rather than carbohydrates causes heart disease and other health problems. This view is still held by the majority of those in the medical and nutritional science communities.[SUP][60][/SUP][SUP][61][/SUP][SUP][62][/SUP] However, it is now widely recognized that periodic ketosis is in fact normal, and that ketosis provides a number of surprising benefits, including neuroprotection against diverse types of cellular injury.[SUP][63][/SUP]
People who eschew low carbohydrate diets cite hypoglycemia and ketoacidosis as a risk factor. While mild acidosis may be a side effect when beginning a ketogenic diet,[SUP][64][/SUP][SUP][65][/SUP] it is benign and should not be confused with diabetic ketoacidosis, which can be life threatening.
A diet very low in starches and sugars induces several adaptive responses. Low blood glucose causes the pancreas to produce glucagon,[SUP][66][/SUP] which stimulates the liver to convert stored glycogen into glucose and release it into the blood. When liver glycogen stores are exhausted, the body starts utilizing fatty acids instead of glucose. The brain cannot use fatty acids for energy, and instead uses ketones produced from fatty acids by the liver. By using fatty acids and ketones as energy sources, supplemented by conversion of proteins to glucose (gluconeogenesis), the body can maintain normal levels of blood glucose without dietary carbohydrates.
Most advocates of low-carbohydrate diets, such as the Atkins Diet, argue that the human body is adapted to function primarily in ketosis.[SUP][67][/SUP][SUP][68][/SUP] They argue that high insulin levels can cause many health problems, most significantly fat storage and weight gain. They argue that the purported dangers of ketosis are unsubstantiated (some of the arguments against ketosis result from confusion between ketosis and ketoacidosis which is a mostly diabetic condition unrelated to dieting or low-carbohydrate intake).[SUP][69][/SUP] They also argue that fat in the diet only contributes to heart disease in the presence of high insulin levels and that if the diet is instead adjusted to induce ketosis, fat and cholesterol in the diet are beneficial. Most low carb diets plans discourage consumption of trans fat.
On a high-carbohydrate diet, glucose is used by cells in the body for the energy needed for their basic functions, and about 2/3 of body cells require insulin in order to use glucose. Excessive amounts of blood glucose are thought to be a primary cause of the complications of diabetes; when glucose reacts with body proteins (resulting in glycosolated proteins) and change their behavior. Perhaps for this reason, the amount of glucose tightly maintained in the blood is quite low. Unless a meal is very low in starches and sugars, blood glucose will rise for a period of an hour or two after a meal. When this occurs, beta cells in the pancreas release insulin to cause uptake of glucose into cells. In liver and muscle cells, more glucose is taken in than is needed and stored as glycogen (once called 'animal starch').[SUP][70][/SUP] Diets with a high starch/sugar content, therefore, cause release of more insulin and so more cell absorption. In diabetics, glucose levels vary in time with meals and vary a little more as a result of high carbohydrate content meals. In non-diabetics, blood sugar levels are restored to normal levels within an hour or two, regardless of the content of a meal.
While there are essential fatty acids (EFA) and essential amino acids (EAA) and while a diet devoid of EFA or EAA will result in eventual death, a diet completely without carbohydrates can be maintained indefinitely because fatty acids include a carbohydrate backbone (glycerol).[SUP][71][/SUP] There are essential fatty acids and amino acids for structural building blocks, not energy. EFA and EAA will be converted into intermediates for the carbohydrate metabolism, even if it depletes their essential stocks. However, a very low carbohydrate diet (less than 20g per day) may negatively affect certain biomarkers[SUP][72][/SUP] and produce detrimental effects in certain types of individuals (for instance, those with kidney problems). The opposite is also true ? for instance, clinical experience suggests very low carbohydrate diet for patients with metabolic syndrome.[SUP][73]



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[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cycling seems to be the key to this. Reloads are a must!
I'm still reading............... and I'll post any more pertinent info here. Anyone else have any thoughts on this??[/FONT]
 
You are correct that cycling is key, keto diets should be used for fat stripping, once the goal is achieved you need to rebalance macros that are healthier for long term health.
 
I can't believe all the activity in this thread! great to see you active again Gettinthere!
 
Shoulders and Back day. Weighed in at 131.8lbs

Shoulder Press WU 35lbs each side x 15
45lbs es x 12
x 7
35lbs es x 8

DB Flys (standing) WU 10lbs x 15
15lbs x 8
10lbs x 10
15lbs x 5
10lbs x 5

(bent over) 10lbs x 15
x 15
x 15

Shrugs 50lb DBs x 12
x 10
x 10

Pull Ups x 6 (bad form)
x 4 (better)
x 4 1/2 (ok)

Lat Pull 85lbs x 12
100lbs x 10
x 9

Seated Row 70lbs x 12
85lbs x 12
x 12

Dead Lift 45lbs es x 12
45lbs + 25lbs es x 6
x 4 (bad form) :(

Treadmill 3.2mph Incline 9 20min.

All in all, it was a good workout. My strength is definitely lower, but that would be a few weeks off. ;) I'm not worried.......... I'll getter back! I'm not going for strength really, but form. And that needs some work in a few areas. lol

So, Doc asked to see some of my diet. I'll post a few days as an example. ;)

2 coffees
3 1/2 egg omelette with onion, green and red pepper, mushrooms.
banana
2 beef burgers (no buns) with lettuce, tomatoes and mayo.
12 oz Water and 8 oz mineral water
Bowl of special K cereal with heavy cream/water mix.
Chicken breast

GYM : Leg Day
1 1/2lt water

Strawberry protein shake with water/cream
1 1/2 lt water
Chicken breast with 1 tbsp sour cream

As supplements, in AM : Zinc, Multi and Fish Oil
PM : Fish Oil


2 Coffee
4 eggs with 1/2 cup cottage cheese
12oz water
12oz water

1 hour on Treadmill
1lt water

1 1/2 fillets of Basa
1 cup broccoli
1/2 cup cooked brown rice
Garden salad with Paul Newman dressing (lettuce, tomato, cucumber)
Plain popcorn
12oz water

Supplements in AM: Zinc, Fish Oil, Multi Vit
PM: Fish Oil

Well, that it. I know I could do better with the diet, and I'm trying. I do feel real good though. Not tired or moody. Sweet. ;)
 
Your very low carb. I would ditch the long sustained cardio for hiit instead.
 
Look at a sprinter vs. a marathon runner. Sustained cardio is catabolic. When my wife dropped 20 pounds on her first keto last year she lost quite a bit of muscle, her ass went flat and she always had a good butt. All she was doing was sustained cardio. Her rear is coming back finally.
 
I can see that.... Ill start tomorrow. I was laying in bed, not sleeping, with my brain going a millioniles an hour. I was thinking about all the carb talk we've been having. I see its so easy to read and plan what we want to do. The tricky part is putting into action. On paper, i know that my cycling would work but in praxtice, i find i am always looking at lables and going for the lowest carb. Thats nit always good. Ive got to be realiatic. Mentally i know good carbs and bad ones. Ive got to get it in my head to really follow my plans. Youre posts here help me put things into perspective. Hummm. More work to do i guess. :-). Looking forward to the hiit tomorrow.
 
gettinthere said:
It was only my first day, and i did one on two off. I was pretty happy with how fast my heartrate came down. How long dies your wife's training sessions go?
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She starts with weights, her routine today was upper body. 5 exercises 3 sets of 8-12 reps each exercise and she does 20 minutes of hiit after. Sunday i gave her 50mgs of my test just to see if it made her feel better, not something i would keep her on but if she liked it maybe i could get her on anavar.
 
So, last night was Arms and Chest day. I'm not so happy with my strength again, overall, but form was pretty good.

Bench WU 35lb es x 15
45lbs es x 12, x 8, x 7

Incline 35lb es x 7, x 9, x6

DB Flys 25lbs x 10
30lbs x 6, x 5

DB Curls 20lbs x 15
25lbs x 10
25lbs + 20lbs x 10 + 7

BB Curls 40lbs x 10, x 10, 10

Tricep pull 40lbs x 12, x 12, x 12

Scull Crushers 40lbs x 12, x 12, x 12

I'm a bit sore today, and I'll take that. Overall is was ok. I'm sure my strength will come back. ;)

Pinned for the third time yesterday. doing .5 npp eod.

Tonight is HIIT. Gonna try and go 1 1/2 on and 1 1/2 off. 30 min. Uuuggggggg! lol
 
Strength will definitely take a hit when you're cutting, I know that first hand. ;P Should kinda level out as you get used to it though.
 
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