Good food or bad food? Does it matter on a bulk?

[Biggly]

Built already mentioned it but I'll repeat - trans fats. That crap's no good for you at any level and a lot of it is outright harmful.

I don't recall the full details but read somewhere the structure is different, meaning it is stored in fat cells like normal fat but cannot be burnt by the body so easily, so pretty much stuck there without a severe calorie deficit. I'm not saying that's true, though it makes sense. Either way I'd suggest reading up on transfats before attempting to bulk with it/them.


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[Built]

Trans fats are more like plasticized oil than they are like food. Your body doesn't quite know what to do with 'em.

Mary Enig says it best: The Oiling of America

 

[Merkaba]

Are there any popular foods out there now that have Trans fat in it? I don't ever see it anymore and I eat alot. Just wondering so I'll know what to look out for.

 

[Biggly]

MOST junk food will have a lot of transfats.

Basically anywhere you might expect to see butter if made at home, pastries, shortenings, pie crusts, that kind of thing, plus French fries.. basically avoid anything in a pretty packet



B.

 

[Biggly]

Ah, Mary Enig - that's a very good link.



B.

 

[DiGiTaL]

When I eat junk food, or intake some unhealthy food I can tell the next day looking at myself in the mirror, and start thinking about burning it off on cardio haha.


Also, reading these posts - Built you mention broccoli a lot lol, How good are they compared to other veggies?

This thread was awesome, now I can tell my dumbbutt friends why Fast Food sucks and be confident about it.

 

[Built]

Broccoli, well, I like it, it steams up in about four minutes, it helps your body clear estrogen, it's cheap and has tons of fibre. Yummy with butter and salt.

 

[MCx2]

Like Merkaba said, I just feel like shit when I eat that crap which more than likely leads to a lack of intensity in the gym, which more than likely made me a fatass.

 

[xfile384]

Wow, this thread has come a long way. I'm glad i brought the point up, lol.

I'm eating about 2900 calories on a bulk right now and I'm gaining weight gradually. Started a 140 and I'm at 146. Sure, most is probably water, but i am gaining. (clean bulk)

 

[fufu]

Sodium's cheap, anabolic, and harmless unless you have pre-existing hypertension. For athletes, next to water and oxygen, sodium's the cheapest ergogenic enhancement out there .

I believe sodium is highly misunderstood in our culture, but there is a point of moderation. I doubt with most people that not having enough sodium is an issue. Yes, disposition to high blood pressure is one of the biggest concerns when limiting sodium, but besides that pathological factor, consuming excessive sodium can make you feel like a load of bloated shit.

Nothing useless about postworkout glucose polymers. The faster, the better.

Mmm... white rice...

Agree, but that is a specific situation (post workout). I'm a big believer in "if you don't need it, don't eat it." Eating an entire diet containing this kind of carbohydrate isn't the best choice. Timing is key. By the way, I quoted "useless" for the point that you brought up.

Only if you eat more calories than you require. There's a limit to how much muscle you can gain on a bulk. Eat too much over your target, you're gonna be a fat-ass, no doubt about it.

This can happen on "clean" food too. I was once 40% bodyfat eating "clean".

agree with the first part, but I never debated that, but I assume you are clearing that up for the OP.

agree with the last sentence, but again, specific context in your case. Sure you can still get/stay fat eating "clean" foods, but that is merely an aspect of physics. You will gain weight considering the calories exceed maintenance levels. My point was that, in general, it is far easier to control calories when you are eating whole food products compared to processed foods due to the contrast of caloric density.

I agree, but there's going to be room for discretionary spending!

Definitely. As long as the big picture is understood, indulging is fine.

Awesome. Eat some broccoli with your Big Mac.

Seriously, when I eat something "junky", I almost always go home and knock back some steamed broccoli. Kinda helps it move through...

I do similar to this, but I usually have an apple.

 

[fufu]

Broccoli, well, I like it, it steams up in about four minutes, it helps your body clear estrogen, it's cheap and has tons of fibre. Yummy with butter and salt.

and melted cheese.

 

[Biggly]

I eat broccoli almost every day and while I rate it highly in all other ways I can't say that by itself it's that great for fiber...



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[Built]

I eat broccoli almost every day and while I rate it highly in all other ways I can't say that by itself it's that great for fiber...



B.

Really? At 5 grams of fibre, two cups of chopped up broccoli - basically, about seven or eight ounces - gives me 20% of my daily target for fibre of 25g. Not bad for 60 calories!

 

[Built]

and melted cheese.

Oh, yes!

 

[Merkaba]

No trans in Wavy Lays or Deans French Onion Dip!!!

So I'm free to gorge!

 

[xfile384]

Trans fat isn't really found in much food anymore. Even Mcdonalds has limited trans fat. I think the most trans fat they have in one burger is the double quarter pounder with cheese and that's 2.5 or something...That isn't much, but sure if you eat enough of them it's bad. A basic cheesburger barely has any and i don't think fries have any either.

Stay away from those shakes though! I heard they have trans fat. So, a quarter pounder meal with a shake wouldn't be a good idea, lol.

 

[Ben dur]

2.5 isnt much?


if my diet came from db qrtr lb'ers alone
id have to eat like 5 a day

that would be 12g of trans fats
sure that would be a disgusting diet
but my point is the ratio of cals from trans fats to non trans fats is extremely high

according to all labels and research available to me my diet contains no trans fat

even 2.5 g would be a significant increase

 

[Ben dur]

especially considering "normal" peanut butter contains 0
"0"grams of trans but it still gets criticism for having hydrogenated oils thus, TRANS FATS


and those are fractions of a gram and people make a deal about it
(i only eat natty, love the taste!)

this raises the question

how much effect does a gram of trans fats have?
and what would be a healthy level? ---aside from the obvious "none"---

 

[Ben dur]

Sodium's cheap, anabolic, and harmless unless you have pre-existing hypertension. For athletes, next to water and oxygen, sodium's the cheapest ergogenic enhancement out there .

im confused

what makes sodium "anabolic"?

i thought that anabolism was muscular growth
not volumization

or am i misunderstanding something?

 

[Built]

Trans fat isn't really found in much food anymore. Even Mcdonalds has limited trans fat. I think the most trans fat they have in one burger is the double quarter pounder with cheese and that's 2.5 or something...That isn't much, but sure if you eat enough of them it's bad. A basic cheesburger barely has any and i don't think fries have any either.

Stay away from those shakes though! I heard they have trans fat. So, a quarter pounder meal with a shake wouldn't be a good idea, lol.

There's a lot of mythology out there regarding fast food. Now to be fair, I rarely eat at McDonalds - but that's largely because a) they use too much wheat and b)I happen to like my own cooking!

Snopes is a good place to check up on hearsay. Here's what Snopes has to say about McDonald's food: snopes.com: McDonald's Shakes

Okay, well that's cool - at least we know there aren't any feathers or cow eyeballs in the shakes! But how about transfat? McDonald's nutrition information lists half a gram of transfat in their shakes. Something that's important to note is that not all tranfats are bad: conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is a naturally-occurring transfat that's good for you. The bad ones come from hydrogenated fats, which are found in shortenings and most commercial brands of margarine and peanut butter, as well as many prepared foods such as cookies and cake mixes.

I checked a few sources online to see how much transfat occurs naturally in milk (the USDA didn't list it for fluid milk). My cursory review of the literature suggests about half a percent of dairy fat comes from the CLA transfat. If anyone has something more specific, please pass it along to me.

Moving this along, when I searched McDonald's ingredient listings for milkshakes, I couldn't find any hydrogenated fats:
http://www.mcdonalds.ca/pdfs/IngredientFactsEN.pdf
Triple Thick Milkshake??® - Chocolate, Large
Ingredients:

• Dairy Mix Modified milk ingredients, sugar, glucose, soy mono and diglycerides, guar gum, dextrose, artificial vanilla flavour, carrageenan, cellulose gum.
• Triple Thick Milkshake??® Chocolate Syrup Glucose-fructose, water, dutch processed cocoa, natural (vegetable source) and artificial flavour, salt, potassium sorbate. MAY CONTAIN SMALL AMOUNTS OF OTHER SHAKE FLAVOURS.

I checked the nutrition information for a 16 ounce Triple Thick Milkshake??® on the USDA nutrient database:
580 calories
99g carb
13g protein
16g fat, of which 0.9g comes from all transfats, including CLA.

About half a percent of milkfat is transfat from CLA:
Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) Content of Milk from Cows Offered Diets Rich in Linoleic and Linolenic Acid -- Dhiman et al. 83 (5): 1016 -- Journal of Dairy Science - so, for the sake of comparison, 16 ounces of whole milk according to the USDA and estimating CLA at 0.5% of milkfat:
312 calories
23g carb
16g protein
18g fat, of which about 0.1g is CLA transfat.

As it sits, the biggest nutritional difference I can see between a small triple thick and two cups of whole milk is about a third of a cup of sugar. While I wouldn't exactly call it a health drink, the occasional McDonald's shake certainly doesn't contain anything I'd label "poison".

My .02 CDN.

 

[bigsahm21]

I think you forgot to list "orgasmic delicousness" in the ingredients list for McD vanilla shakes.

 

[Witchblade]

If Snopes can't see the difference between two cups of whole milk (especially if it's organic) and a McDonald's shake, I can't see the difference between the average meathead and Snopes.

 

[Built]

im confused

what makes sodium "anabolic"?

i thought that anabolism was muscular growth
not volumization

or am i misunderstanding something?

Read this and see what you think of it: Sodium - Anabolic

2.5 isnt much?


if my diet came from db qrtr lb'ers alone
id have to eat like 5 a day

that would be 12g of trans fats
sure that would be a disgusting diet
but my point is the ratio of cals from trans fats to non trans fats is extremely high

according to all labels and research available to me my diet contains no trans fat

even 2.5 g would be a significant increase

According to the USDA nutrient database, a double quarter pounder with cheese has about 45g each of protein and fat, and of this fat, about 2.5g are trans.

I looked up cooked ground beef with this much fat, for comparison.
300g of cooked 15% fat beef, broiled in patties contains:
696 calories
0g carb
74g protein
42g fat, of which 2.9g comes from naturally occurring transfats including trans-vaccenic acid (TVA bioconverts to CLA) and the heart-healthy CLA.

Again, I'm not suggesting the "all McDonald's, all the time" diet for heart health or physique gains here, folks, but as far as nutrition is concerned, in a pinch, if you use at least SOME judgement you can do much worse for your body than McDonald's.

 

[Built]

I think you forgot to list "orgasmic delicousness" in the ingredients list for McD vanilla shakes.

Hee hee hee hee hee!

If Snopes can't see the difference between two cups of whole milk (especially if it's organic) and a McDonald's shake, I can't see the difference between the average meathead and Snopes.

That part wasn't Snopes, that was me - and I wasn't comparing organic milk to a triple-thick shake, I was comparing ordinary whole milk to a triple-thick shake.

 

[bigsahm21]

AND she did see the difference...about 1/3 of a cup of sugar.

 

[Built]

AND she did see the difference...about 1/3 of a cup of sugar.

Thank you.

Yep, lots of sugar in a milkshake. SURPRISE!