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Expensive, very touchy in terms of lifespan when mixed (jin is 4 days before it "goes bad"), and not something used by itself if you are looking for size. Most cycles are 4-6 months or year round.
I would not even consider it unless you were semi-advanced, I was thinking about it but will probably pass for awhile.
I would not even consider it unless you were semi-advanced, I was thinking about it but will probably pass for awhile.
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I'm 19 and 170- does the over the counter hgh work at all??
I just want to out on the lbs- and get to 220- and yes I'm eating like a horse- Just can't seem to get any bigger- been lifing for almost 9 months- was 135 when I started- stuck at 170!!!
I just want to out on the lbs- and get to 220- and yes I'm eating like a horse- Just can't seem to get any bigger- been lifing for almost 9 months- was 135 when I started- stuck at 170!!!
Growth hormone by itself wont make you big, and no the over the counter GH stimulators are not going to produce massive results or even anything close to hGH. If it were so great, it would not exist any longer as an injectable.
Real GH must be refrigerated and is only good for a few days after mixing, its not going to survive being in a pill at room temperature, and it must be injected.
Food is how you gain weight, it takes time. If the drugs did it, you would lose it all when you came off anyway. Whatever your maintenance calories are, you must be over that number, track your calories and you will get there eventually.
Real GH must be refrigerated and is only good for a few days after mixing, its not going to survive being in a pill at room temperature, and it must be injected.
Food is how you gain weight, it takes time. If the drugs did it, you would lose it all when you came off anyway. Whatever your maintenance calories are, you must be over that number, track your calories and you will get there eventually.
are you counting calories ? most people "think" they are eating alot until they actually see those calories on paper and the sources that the calories are derieved from...
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I read a lot of people saying this... why? Why shouln't users jump after a cycle or two right in the GH with Test for example?
Is the experience gained from the use of AS or the improved knowleadge of the own body? Or both?
It is a little bit of both.
One other thing to think about is that is hella expensive. I have a friend who got some through an HRT place and he got a 3 month supply at an insignificant dose for $3000. I am sure there may be an underground lab making it, but I wouldn't trust it, I guess alot of people are getting HCG packaged as HGH. My buddy got genotropin readi-jects, they were pretty nice but I would never pay that much money.
One other thing to think about is that is hella expensive. I have a friend who got some through an HRT place and he got a 3 month supply at an insignificant dose for $3000. I am sure there may be an underground lab making it, but I wouldn't trust it, I guess alot of people are getting HCG packaged as HGH. My buddy got genotropin readi-jects, they were pretty nice but I would never pay that much money.
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Yup, the price is huge!
That's a fact that even if a inexperienced user could bought enough HGH for decent cycle, if he doesn't know how to use it optimally he would be throwing money out of the window!
That's a fact that even if a inexperienced user could bought enough HGH for decent cycle, if he doesn't know how to use it optimally he would be throwing money out of the window!
using HGH with out insulin is pointless...and you have to really know your shit before using slin
If you are pretty new and can't gain at least 20 pounds off a cycle then you dont belong juicing anyway IMO.
If you are stacking a warchest of drugs looking for 40-50 pounds in 10-16 weeks, you are insane.
The patent on GH expired a bit ago so its an open market drug now. Since it costs so much to make I would not expect it to be coming out of anyones basement anytime soon.
I thought one company had a patent on a room temperature safe hGH, but other than that the stuff is not reconstituted until time of use and any left overs are good for about 4 days IN a fridge.
Mudge, I need to pick your brain once again.Since you guys are kick'n tha topic of HGH, are you up on a product at Universal Kits called P-GH. I've been hear'n that it works well. I have little to zero knowledge bout it. Sprinkle me Homey!
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hGH Results?
All,
Thought I would ask before I jumped into something. A couple questions on hGH. My regular guy for hGH isn't responding to my requests for help so I guess it's time to go looking for other help.
1 - A bud of mine suggested Chinese hGH but I have heard that it isn't the same as what we can get here in the stats.
- Some say it gives you BIG RED welts.
- - Anyyone have any feedback on this?
- - - Also, I was getting 126 IU kits at a killer deal. I can't
find anyting even close to this price. What is the going
rate?
2 - This is my 3rd cycle on hGH. 1st cycle I had AWESOME results. 2nd cycle I had GREAT results but not as good.
- Any ideas why my results were not as great the 2nd cycle?
- Does on both cycles was 2 to 3 IU's a day 6x a week for 9 months.
FYI - I ate a well balanced diet, lifted 4x a week, slept 8+ hours a night and hit the cardio 5x a week running 6 to 10 miles a day. Is it typical not to have as good as results the 2nd and 3rd cycles?
What should I expect with my 3rd cycle in 2 years?
Current Stats
5'-10"
220#
14% BF trying to lower to 8% BF
33 yo
47 Chest
32" Waist
30" Quads
17" Arms
Currently lift 3x a week, running 4x at about 3 to 4 miles a day. Increasing miles slowly up to a max of 6 a day.
Please let me know if you have any insight and suggestions.
Cheers!
All American Beef
All,
Thought I would ask before I jumped into something. A couple questions on hGH. My regular guy for hGH isn't responding to my requests for help so I guess it's time to go looking for other help.
1 - A bud of mine suggested Chinese hGH but I have heard that it isn't the same as what we can get here in the stats.
- Some say it gives you BIG RED welts.
- - Anyyone have any feedback on this?
- - - Also, I was getting 126 IU kits at a killer deal. I can't
find anyting even close to this price. What is the going
rate?
2 - This is my 3rd cycle on hGH. 1st cycle I had AWESOME results. 2nd cycle I had GREAT results but not as good.
- Any ideas why my results were not as great the 2nd cycle?
- Does on both cycles was 2 to 3 IU's a day 6x a week for 9 months.
FYI - I ate a well balanced diet, lifted 4x a week, slept 8+ hours a night and hit the cardio 5x a week running 6 to 10 miles a day. Is it typical not to have as good as results the 2nd and 3rd cycles?
What should I expect with my 3rd cycle in 2 years?
Current Stats
5'-10"
220#
14% BF trying to lower to 8% BF
33 yo
47 Chest
32" Waist
30" Quads
17" Arms
Currently lift 3x a week, running 4x at about 3 to 4 miles a day. Increasing miles slowly up to a max of 6 a day.
Please let me know if you have any insight and suggestions.
Cheers!
All American Beef
That is not the case. Recent research is indicating that much lower doses of HGH without insulin can have a significant effect on body composition.
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this is an interesting story:
since i started my cycle, i noticed an increase of pimples on my back. I therefore went to the dermatologist requesting some type of treatment. She then asked me what type of suppliments i was on, i obviously lied to her and told her only whey protein.
Then she started asking me all types of questions about the whey. How long was i using it?, where is it made? etc...
She told me that she has reason to suspect that alot of protein companies use bovine growth hormone in their powders. And that its identical to human growth hormone and just as anabolic. She is currently running tests on several whey powders. I was wondering, would bovine be a susbstitute for human GH for bodybuilders?
since i started my cycle, i noticed an increase of pimples on my back. I therefore went to the dermatologist requesting some type of treatment. She then asked me what type of suppliments i was on, i obviously lied to her and told her only whey protein.
Then she started asking me all types of questions about the whey. How long was i using it?, where is it made? etc...
She told me that she has reason to suspect that alot of protein companies use bovine growth hormone in their powders. And that its identical to human growth hormone and just as anabolic. She is currently running tests on several whey powders. I was wondering, would bovine be a susbstitute for human GH for bodybuilders?
Its not as good as GH but it seems to be giving many of the benefits, a lot of people report good feedback. A sprinkle of people get bad batches (yellow) and get new product shipped back, and a couple say they have gotten clear batches but no results.
I could use the sleep benefits and almost be happy with nothing but that.
Would it be safe to assume that P-GH could be used during a cycle of anabolics to help enhance recovery and some quicker or more easily kept gains.
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the only problem with that theory is that growth hormone does not nor can not remain intact through the digestion process...
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i really couldn't care anyless whether or not companies actually use any type of GH in their powders. And if they do, it would be a minimal amount. I really really would not be surprised though if they were. Lets not forget that MuscleTech was using androgens in their nitrotech powders and lost a million dollar law suit for it.
am more interested in this bovine GH. Has anybody on this board ever used it, or know someone that has? How would it react in humans?
am more interested in this bovine GH. Has anybody on this board ever used it, or know someone that has? How would it react in humans?
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hey mudge, been wanting to ask you this
do you experience any significant side effects from the cycles you run ? like liver probs/hair loss/loss of sleep/lack of appetite ? those four
thanks
do you experience any significant side effects from the cycles you run ? like liver probs/hair loss/loss of sleep/lack of appetite ? those four
thanks
tk... said:
I have never heard of any human trials done with rBGH (recombinant bovine growth hormone). that would be very stupid to say the least...
here is a little info on rBGH
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/bst/RBRPTFNL.htm
BigBallaGA said:
Very few people not prone to baldness (so they claim, I can't verify that) have complained about losing hair. You are supposedly supposed to watch on the mothers side, since that is where your "hair pattern/genetics" comes from.
I did have sleep problems on fina @ 100mg ED so I lowered the dose after something like 1.5 weeks, but I am also a life-long insomniac. When I was 15 I stayed up for 6 days and nights just because I didn't want to go to sleep. Normally 1-2 days was pretty normal for a weekend though. It was always difficult for me to fall asleep (45-60min if not worse), and really I have had to kind of learn how to deal with it on my own (forcing sleep regularity is a huge plus).
I am not huge on orals so no liver issues, but I have run accutane which can be bad (they test your liver if they ever prescribe it to you, and they watch it monthly or bi-monthly so I hear). I am also on a whopping 200mg of anadrol to even get any effect from it, it is so subtle @ 100mg I hardly notice it. I have tried the legendary green meanies and its like poppign M&Ms. I tried IP and ran 5 in a row, but I figure those were most likely just fake, I dumped them. If 10 drol a day wont do it, something is wrong. I have also used a brand called PPL, not super well known. Right now its powder.
Some of the early signs of liver problems are severe and intense itching. Bleeding rear end can be another, by the time your skin starts turning you are in a bad way although not yet sentenced to death.
Acne has been probably my worst side, intense horniness when single is also kind of crappy. My acne got cystic somewhere after the 1 year point, kind of a haze by now, I ignored it for awhile then eventually tried B-5 but was starting up a cycle which overpowered it.
I have had gyno symptoms but my nips have not changed. Right now I am able to stay off anti-aromatase drugs and I can handle 200mg of prop EOD which in the past I have not been able too, not sure how/why other than perhaps raw bodyweight increase.
Generally I've been side free.
Jinotropin or Genotropin? Haven't heard feedback on Genotropin, as long as its 191 amino acid you should be good to go, as well as its packaged about 10iu per amp. If its 100iu in a single amp it will go bad before you use it all, unless you are shooting 25iu a day or something.
