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[maniclion]

* Just today, Kagan gave a hint to her true colors. When asked a simple question by Senator Grassley of Iowa -- does the Second Amendment codify a pre-existing right from God or is it a right created by the Constitution? -- Kagan looked like a deer caught in the headlights. After an awkward pause, she said: "I've never considered that question."

What kind of question is that? A right from God or created by the second amendment? Sounds fucking silly.... Yes God said in 2nd Corinthians ye shall have the right to bear the contraption which flings lead by use if an explosive powder not yet invented but trust me when the time comes you shall all be allowed to own one....

 

[maniclion]

Fixed it for ya.

Hammering nails with your pistol is not cool...

 

[ZECH]

whoa......not a right created by the second amendment.............
A right created by the constitution. Big difference.

 

[Will Brink]

Btw, here is my newest toy. THe pic came out blurry but you can tell what it is.
T/C .50 cal Triumph, Bone collector edition, with Leupold Ultimate slam 3-9x40 scope.
Look out big bucks come deer season!

I just came back from a walk in the woods, and not 50ft from me was a deer. I literally could have taken her down with my CCW. It's not deer season, and I'm not a hunter, but it's ironic how hard it is for hunters to bag one, and there she was!

 

[Will Brink]

What kind of question is that?.

I have to agree. I don't know how a person would answer such a question. Personally, something like "I believe the right to self defense is a basic human right, be it from tyranny or criminals, and the Second Amendment to the Constitution protects that right" would have covered her. God/Shiva/Allah has nothing to do with it nor should religion have been brought into the equation.

 

[ZECH]

I have to agree. I don't know how a person would answer such a question. Personally, something like "I believe the right to self defense is a basic human right, be it from tyranny or criminals, and the Second Amendment to the Constitution protects that right" would have covered her. God/Shiva/Allah has nothing to do with it nor should religion have been brought into the equation.

Problem is, she would never had said that because they could be held accountable if they made it that plain. They will either beat around the bush or lie about it. It would be alot easier if politicians would just tell us exactly how they will vote and let people who agree vote for them. But they will stoop to whatever level, to get elected. Both liberal and conservative alike....

 

[ZECH]

I just came back from a walk in the woods, and not 50ft from me was a deer. I literally could have taken her down with my CCW. It's not deer season, and I'm not a hunter, but it's ironic how hard it is for hunters to bag one, and there she was!

Yeah, I had a big doe at my birdbath over the weekend at 8 yds. I wanted to get my bow out bad! But they will be here come season mid september.

 

[FMJ]

I live on the edge of the pocono mountains in PA. I can literally point my .45 out of the living room window, fire off a round and more times than not, hit a deer.
It's as if this was NYC and they were pigeons! My wife complains she can't even have a garden because the deer think it's a salad bar!

 

[FMJ]

Hey gun lovers.. I have a quick question.
I have a Sig P220 .45ACP and an XD 9. I decided I didn't wanna spend 30 bucks for 50 rounds of 45 anymore so on my gun forum (PAFOA) I listed my Sig for a trade up for a Sig 9 so I could use a single caliber for both firearms. I asked for the Sig P226, P229 or P239.
A buddy of mine answered the post and offered me the P229 however it's not the SA/DA model. It's the Double Action Kellerman.
I tried to read up on it but I don't understand the description.
Anyone have experience with a DAK trigger?
I'd love to trade up for the 229 but I don't know about this DAK model.

 

[bio-chem]

my understanding is it's similar to the Glock style of trigger. I may be wrong on this because other than my 1911 I'm a SA/DA kind of guy

 

[FMJ]

my understanding is it's similar to the Glock style of trigger. I may be wrong on this because other than my 1911 I'm a SA/DA kind of guy

Yeah, they say it's supposed to be like Glock. But I've owned a Gloack 19 and it never did this "reset" thing. Supposedly, if you keep the trigger depressed after discharging, the pull is lighter than if you let out the trigger completely but than only if you let out the trigger... halfway?
I don't get that. How the hell am I supposed to know whats halfway or completely? LOL.
I can't find anyone with a DAK to at least try it out first and I don't wanna drive halfway to Philly to find out I don't like it, ya know?

 

[DOMS]

I can't find anyone with a DAK to at least try it out first and I don't wanna drive halfway to Philly to find out I don't like it, ya know?

Would it make sense to go to an indoor gun range and rent one?

 

[FMJ]

Would it make sense to go to an indoor gun range and rent one?

Yes! It would make great sense. But the ranges by me don't rent sigs.
I guess they're too nice to be run into the ground.
I checked three different places. I stopped asking when the last guy laughed at me. Jackass.
I tried the gun shops by me too just to dry fire. Plenty of Sigs. None DAK.

 

[DOMS]

You could try calling a gun store and telling the employee what you're trying to do. He'll say that he doesn't rent like that or let you live fire his guns. Then you ask him if he knows someone outside of the work that would let you pay a few bucks to meet you at a range and let you fire his DAK-style gun.

 

[FMJ]

You could try calling a gun store and telling the employee what you're trying to do. He'll say that he doesn't rent like that or let you live fire his guns. Then you ask him if he knows someone outside of the work that would let you pay a few bucks to meet you at a range and let you fire his DAK-style gun.

Possibly. Finding one is the hard part. They're not really a popular model. Which is one of the reasons I'm hesitant. I asked the guys on the gun forum and some like them and some hate them... of course.
I follow the rule of try before you buy, as I'm sure most do.
I guess it's not the end of the world to meet him. It's only a 90 minute drive. I just want someone to help me understand how it's different from the DAO or SA/DA. I can't wrap my head around it. It's not even my time I'm concerned about.. I would feel really bad making him drive the 3 hour round trip and not going through with the trade.

 

[DOMS]

Sorry man, my hands on knowledge of guns is limited. I've fired a bunch, but don't know a whole lot about the details.

 

[FMJ]

Sorry man, my hands on knowledge of guns is limited. I've fired a bunch, but don't know a whole lot about the details.

No worries brother. You're always chock full of good ideas. I'm gonna call a few more places and try your suggestion. Just ask the clerks if they know anyone with a DAK model and if they'd be willing to let me fire it. Gun owners are a good bunch and in these situations very helpful.

 

[brk_nemesis]

Ive heard good and bad about the Dak's. But Sig makes a good pistol. The advantage if my memory serves me right, is it is supposedly not a striker-fired action, meaning if there is a misfire, you dont have to pull back the slide to preset/reset the striker like in a glock. Just pull the trigger again. The disadvantage is the trigger is a lil' heavier.

Either way... go shoot it and see if you like it.


Im a 1911 guy myself.

 

[ZECH]

How many guys here are knowledgable on scopes for rifles? I'm going on a antelope hunt in Wyoming in Oct. I just ordered a Remington 270WSM. I need a GOOD scope to be able to possibly shoot 400-500 yards if needed. I am looking at a VX II 4-12 x 40. Any other suggestions?

 

[brk_nemesis]

How many guys here are knowledgable on scopes for rifles? I'm going on a antelope hunt in Wyoming in Oct. I just ordered a Remington 270WSM. I need a GOOD scope to be able to possibly shoot 400-500 yards if needed. I am looking at a VX II 4-12 x 40. Any other suggestions?

Depends on how much $$ you looking to spend....

A lower cost Leupold would be fine. I usually advocate not spending less than $500 on a pair of optics but that is from a tactical perspective. You get what you pay for when you byy optics. But you are only hunting with it so spending that much $$$ isnt really worth it. I see no reason to put a $1000+ IOR or NF on a hunting rifle. Go with the Leupold, they make quality optics. You could even consider a redfield if you wanna save some $$ as they got bought out by Leupold and are now made by them.

 

[Nightowl]

What kind of question is that? A right from God or created by the second amendment? Sounds fucking silly.... Yes God said in 2nd Corinthians ye shall have the right to bear the contraption which flings lead by use if an explosive powder not yet invented but trust me when the time comes you shall all be allowed to own one....

oh my gawd


I say that gun control is both hands on the gun

 

[ZECH]

Depends on how much $$ you looking to spend....

A lower cost Leupold would be fine. I usually advocate not spending less than $500 on a pair of optics but that is from a tactical perspective. You get what you pay for when you byy optics. But you are only hunting with it so spending that much $$$ isnt really worth it. I see no reason to put a $1000+ IOR or NF on a hunting rifle. Go with the Leupold, they make quality optics. You could even consider a redfield if you wanna save some $$ as they got bought out by Leupold and are now made by them.

Yeah the leupold vx II 4-12 x 40 is right at $500. With the LR duplex reticle, I should be good to go from 200-500yds. I could spend more money, but I dont really think I need to. I could also use the extra money on a nice set on Nikon Monarch or Edge binoculars.
Also you have hit on something with the Redfields. Since Leupold now makes them, I bet they are good quality. I expect them to go up in price in a year or so. Now is time to buy them and get a good scope for a lower price.

 

[bio-chem]

Depends on how much $$ you looking to spend....

A lower cost Leupold would be fine. I usually advocate not spending less than $500 on a pair of optics but that is from a tactical perspective. You get what you pay for when you byy optics. But you are only hunting with it so spending that much $$$ isnt really worth it. I see no reason to put a $1000+ IOR or NF on a hunting rifle. Go with the Leupold, they make quality optics. You could even consider a redfield if you wanna save some $$ as they got bought out by Leupold and are now made by them.

I've actually been very impressed with the quality of redfield's new scopes. $150 and you get a quality hunting scope that will reach out to 450-500 yards for you no worries

 

[bio-chem]

How many guys here are knowledgable on scopes for rifles? I'm going on a antelope hunt in Wyoming in Oct. I just ordered a Remington 270WSM. I need a GOOD scope to be able to possibly shoot 400-500 yards if needed. I am looking at a VX II 4-12 x 40. Any other suggestions?

i just recently started looking at the ballistics of the 270 WSM. amazing. I've always been happy with my .308, but holy crap that is a pretty round.

 

[ZECH]

i just recently started looking at the ballistics of the 270 WSM. amazing. I've always been happy with my .308, but holy crap that is a pretty round.

Yep. Several hundred feet per second faster than a regular 270 and 15% more muzzle energy. Made it to compete with and numbers are similiar to the 7mm Rem.
Probably one of the bes short mags made.
Bought some Winchester Supreme the other day ($50)........They only drop 5.5 inches at 300yds. Gonna put the smackdown on a goat!

 

[ROID]

How many guys here are knowledgable on scopes for rifles? I'm going on a antelope hunt in Wyoming in Oct. I just ordered a Remington 270WSM. I need a GOOD scope to be able to possibly shoot 400-500 yards if needed. I am looking at a VX II 4-12 x 40. Any other suggestions?

I have no clue.

I've been to Wyoming though. I don't think you really have to hunt, there is an abundance of creatures everywhere you look.

I would buy eskimo clothes because it's gonna be cold in october there I think.

How much is it costing you to hunt there ? I was told it's very expensive.

 

[bio-chem]

Yep. Several hundred feet per second faster than a regular 270 and 15% more muzzle energy. Made it to compete with and numbers are similiar to the 7mm Rem.
Probably one of the bes short mags made.
Bought some Winchester Supreme the other day ($50)........They only drop 5.5 inches at 300yds. Gonna put the smackdown on a goat!

you do any reloading? I wonder what the hornady superformance ammo looks like ballistically for the 270 WSM. i've got to admit. I might be looking at a 270wsm in my future the more i learn about it.

 

[bio-chem]

I have no clue.

I've been to Wyoming though. I don't think you really have to hunt, there is an abundance of creatures everywhere you look.

I would buy eskimo clothes because it's gonna be cold in october there I think.

How much is it costing you to hunt there ? I was told it's very expensive.

please dude. serious posts only in this thread.

 

[brk_nemesis]

The ballistics arent bad at all for the 270wsm,.. but I am more of a tac/military guy. If it aint broke,... dont fix it, and the more proven, more plentiful, and less expensive; the better in terms of ammo. I am stocked up on so much 556, 7.62x 39, and 7.62 x 51, i could build a small fort in the backyard with all the crates, lol. All those calibers are "relatively" plentiful and affordable, and majority of all assault/battle rifles operate in those calibers so.....

if SHTF.....

 

[ZECH]

you do any reloading? I wonder what the hornady superformance ammo looks like ballistically for the 270 WSM. i've got to admit. I might be looking at a 270wsm in my future the more i learn about it.

Yeah I have reloaded for years. Already bought a set of dies for it. Im going to try some IMR 4350 and H 4831 and see which one performs better in the gun. Both get over 3200fps.