• Hello, this board in now turned off and no new posting.
    Please REGISTER at Anabolic Steroid Forums, and become a member of our NEW community!
  • Check Out IronMag Labs® KSM-66 Max - Recovery and Anabolic Growth Complex

Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years

Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
bio-chem said:
I'm fine with differing opinions. I come here because of them. You and I often disagree on things, but i enjoy your perspective and beliefs.

Please explain to me the leap of relevance in posting about how capitalism sucks in a thread showing decreasing gun violence in the United States? This is not a discussion on the economics of capitalism, or it's future outlook on the world stage. It doesn't appear it was ever intended to be, or that anyone here other than LAM wants to pull the discussion in that direction. So how is that not a troll? continually using unrelated topics to push ones own personal agenda seems trollish to me. If it's not, please explain to me the proper definition of troll? i'm listening
Click to expand...

because if you had a firm understand of econ like you claim you do then you would understand the painfully obvious link between them. because historically the MAIN source of profits from capitalism have been via wage suppression. there are only 2 country's in the world that have fully embraced neo-liberal economic policy the US and the UK. in no other advanced wealthy country's has the state/government attacked labor like they have. and which 2 country's english speaking wealthy countrys in the OECD have the worst economy's? the US and the UK...it's economics 101

from 1790 to 2012 the population of non-whites in the US has only increased from 20% to 28%. the population of blacks has decreased from 20% 1790 to 12% in 2012 and latinos make up the majority of that remaining 16% increase.
 
Last edited:
LAM said:
because if you had a firm understand of econ like you claim you do then you would understand the painfully obvious link between them. because historically the MAIN source of profits from capitalism have been via wage suppression. there are only 2 country's in the world that have fully embraced neo-liberal economic policy the US and the UK. in no other advanced wealthy country's has the state/government attacked labor like they have. and which 2 country's english speaking wealthy countrys in the OECD have the worst economy's? the US and the UK...it's economics 101

from 1790 to 2012 the population of non-whites in the US has only increased from 20% to 28%. the population of blacks has decreased from 20% 1790 to 12% in 2012 and latinos make up the majority of that remaining 16% increase.
Click to expand...
1.) When did I claim to have a firm understanding of Econ?
2.) You didn't say anything at all about Gun violence in this post which is what the thread is directly about. I know that because it's the title of the thread.
3.) You point out the similarities between England and the US, while arguing economics is tied to crime, yet completely ignoring the graph showing how the US and England have had divergent violent crime rates since England initiated their gun ban. :thinking:

Dude, get a clue. You are addressing your own personal agenda which is completely unrelated to the topic at hand. This is about Gun violence in the US, and you aren't speaking about gun violence. You've yet to tie gun violence in the US to how it relates to other countries especially England, so speaking about how we are economically similar/dissimilar doesn't prove whatever point you think you are trying to make. It's Debate 101, or in your case the remedial Debate 099 which you have to take because you aren't ready for the 101 class.

I would ask you to stay on topic, but it's not my thread, and I don't believe you are capable of doing that anyways.
 
troubador said:
There are lot's of people here with different opinions who aren't trolls. That's not why he's a troll. He's a troll because he continually posts off topic inflammatory messages. No matter the original topic his posts are about how capitalism sucks. He may not even realize he's a troll.
Click to expand...


That doesn't make him a troll. I'd call it obsessive. but it is not trolling. You guys don't understand what trolling is.
 
gun control is working wonders in Mexico, the execution capital of the world. oppertunity, education are what keep crime rates down
 
Well this def looks good for our country but lets focus on the real problem and that's providing jobs for our people. I think our govt is doing a terrible job at doing that. Obama is not helping the situation at all we need a new president for sure. Im just not sure who can do the job. I think that we need a change for the better and it needs to happen fast.
 
969590_380836512026566_1050491404_n.jpg
 
the trial of the teflon don that actually landed him in prison was in the early 90's. I've never forget that because I knew some people that used to work for him and sammy the bull.
 
Last edited:
jagbender said:
I would like to get a Dollar everytime LAM uses the word "Neo"
Click to expand...

if you paid off the debt with it would you still be taxed first?
 
jagbender said:
I would like to get a Dollar everytime LAM uses the word "Neo"
Click to expand...

neoliberalism = the "new" economic liberalism. the ideology that supports deregulation, globalization, the transfer of power (the means of production and ownership) from the public sector to the private sector.

neoconservative = the "new" conservatives. the conservative movement spearheaded by Barry Goldwater in the 60's. "neo-cons" despised the economic policy's of the New Deal (you know the ones that created the middle class in the US) and wanted to reverse the effects of them using neoliberal economic policy.
 
LAM said:
neoliberalism = the "new" economic liberalism. the ideology that supports deregulation, globalization, the transfer of power (the means of production and ownership) from the public sector to the private sector.

neoconservative = the "new" conservatives. the conservative movement spearheaded by Barry Goldwater in the 60's. "neo-cons" despised the economic policy's of the New Deal (you know the ones that created the middle class in the US) and wanted to reverse the effects of them using neoliberal economic policy.
Click to expand...

You owe jagbender four bucks.

neo_whoa_1.png
 
LAM said:
neoliberalism = the "new" economic liberalism. the ideology that supports deregulation, globalization, the transfer of power (the means of production and ownership) from the public sector to the private sector.

neoconservative = the "new" conservatives. the conservative movement spearheaded by Barry Goldwater in the 60's. "neo-cons" despised the economic policy's of the New Deal (you know the ones that created the middle class in the US) and wanted to reverse the effects of them using neoliberal economic policy.
Click to expand...


Gee Thanks for splain n that to me. :wacko:

Just sayin "neo" is your favorite word.

What's next Neogear? Neopussy,

Neotroll

Neo sucker
Neotech Products

Neo tech
Neo-Tech, as originally defined by Wallace and Neo-Tech Publishing Co., translates literally into "Fully-Integrated (objective) Honesty". "Fully Integrated Honesty" is a powerful "mechanical" Reality-based (integrated) system of philosophical / thinking tools. It comprises a new technology - extremely effective fundamental tools for gaining traditionally "unseen" advantages in any competitive situation.
The fundamental nature of these tools are overlooked by the masses and are what give them their power.
Once you integrate the "advanced concepts" and fundamental thinking tools, even how you relate to those around you will dramatically change. You may even find it impossible to communicate meaningfully with old friends, associates, relatives. Suddenly, your thinking (integration of Reality around you) has taken a quantum leap - if they do not integrate the same tools they will be unable to keep up with you. You will then quickly become bored and attract new types of relationships / communication.
Upon integration of these tools it is common when attempting communication in old social, personal, and business situations to find yourself suddenly and continually spotting fundamental errors that before went unnoticed.
If you are to succeed monetarily or in any way, it is dependent on one thing: how well you understand and apply Neo-Tech. Neo-Tech was discovered by Dr. Frank Wallace and marketed by Neo-Tech Publishing Co. - their's is philosophical literature that teaches you how to think; my Neo-Tech job replication is what results after mastering that.
Not affiliated with and no income derived from Neo-Tech Publ. Co, NV, USA.
Originally based on Ayn Rand's work, Neo-Tech does not resemble: positive thinking / meditation / motivation / dreaming / "subliminal programming". Similarly, Neo-Tech has nothing to do with religion / politics / cults / external authorities setup to follow. Neo-Tech does not resemble any book / course / etc. advertised on TV (I or anyone I know has seen) / liberalism / conservatism / other forms of irrationality. Neo-Tech is the opposite of anything the slightest bit mystical.
This is an independent objective evaluation of Neo-Tech. The Neo-Tech philosophy was chosen as the basis for these businesses, investing, trading, replication, and reports, and the same grew out of the philosophy of Neo-Tech. This is because Neo-Tech was and is the only system of ideas and tools that facilitate maximum (or any comparative) results in any worthwhile (competitive) situation - whether personal, financial, business, love, etc.

Philosophy and its tools, as opposed to dogma, if properly integrated are the cornerstone of success in any endeavor. If you have not found this to be overwhelmingly correct in tangible results, you have been cajoled into using the wrong philosophy. These fundamental principles are often harder to understand than everyday specifics.
There's a lot on the www.neotech-specifics.com Entry Page site here you can look at to see just what Neo-Tech is and just what Neo-Tech looks like when applied in practice. But first I'll cover the basic Neo-Tech background material. You'll have to contact Neo-Tech Publishing Co. for the following books. Don't bother to give them my name. I'm not in "that" business. If there were a "commission" in it for me, I wouldn't accept it. (This is not a reflection on the quality of Neo-Tech Publishing's material.)

For a better understanding of these opportunities and of Neo-Tech in general, those serious will want to get and understand ("to get" may take weeks to months so don't be discouraged):
  • "Neo-Tech Discovery I-V" (or later variation)
and those by Wallace himself first including:
  • "Neo-Tech I: Neocheating: The Prediscovery" (for the metaphors - this is definitely not card games or gambling!),
  • "Neo-Tech III: Controlling People's Bicameral Minds" (for the mechanism non Neo-Tech "interests" who survive via manipulation, coercion and force are using to unjustly control you right now),
  • "Neo-Tech IV: Business Success and Predicting Stock Prices" (for the fundamental principle - not stocks or specific methods), and
  • "Neo-Tech V - Achieving Commercial Biological Immortality".
Especially useful and recommended is the original
  • "Neo-Tech II: The Neo-Tech Reference Encyclopedia / Psychuous Sex" .
After the above have been digested, then it's time for
  • "Neo-Tech Business Control" and/or "Neo-Tech Global Business Control" ,
  • "Neo-Tech: The Philosophical Zero", and
  • "Happiness Forever" in particular.
(Latter two, now integrated into some other publications, are also good introductions to Neo-Tech .)

Understanding of this material is a requirement for all positions, however, depending on the position, not all of the above Neo-Tech background material needs to be digested in order to start (and profit). Once the above are digested, other worthwhile Neo-Tech publications include:
  • "The Neo-Tech / NeoThink Matrix / Grand Event",
  • "Neo-Tech Protection Kit",
  • "After 2001: Our Neo-Tech World", and
  • "Neo-Tech Timeline".
The entire Neo-Tech manuscripts are necessary for continual personal referencing, however at least parts of these are now online at (it's over 2000 pages, but only some of it is from above publications) www.neo-tech.com.In my primary field of investment [see report] prior knowledge and understanding of Neo-Tech is necessary except in trainee positions where applicants study both Neo-Tech and investment methods. In my other investment fields [see report], however, applicants are not required to have prior knowledge of Neo-Tech although they are required to learn it: honesty and grip of Reality is required.
For the full version of this explanation - a more thorough explanation of how Neo-Tech relates to these fields and positions, click on "Neo-Tech: A Rational Independent Explanation (Full Version)" at end. This I think is the best explanation of Neo-Tech on the web as can only come from the perspective of someone who actually uses it and whose business is actually based on it (and little or nothing else). (Marketing and writing about the "general idea" of using Neo-Tech, no matter how "good" the writing or marketing, doesn't count as the actual integrated specific "use" of Neo-Tech in this context.)
Then, click on the "Surprise: I'm Not Selling Anything" page below for more details on exactly how all this applies to Neo-Tech business, Neo-Tech (as opposed to popular) investing, and Neo-Tech trading.
For those serious about actually achieving results with applied Neo-Tech, then click on "Full Disclaimer" (it's more than a "disclaimer").
And if you're really serious about using Neo-Tech (as opposed to reading and talking about it for the rest of your life), then click on "Unmentioned & Purposefully Confused Context of Business explained".
Follow that up with the full report on Neo-Tech income and preliminary application for trade secret disclosure, which you get to by clicking on "I agree" from the agree page. You'll then be well on your way to actually putting Neo-Tech into (outside the head) use.

neo-zafara |

Neogarden
Welcome to Neo Garden Catering: No.1 Caterer in Singapore

Neogenomics
NEO: Summary for NeoGenomics, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
We need to steer this thread back on topic! LOL
let me find some Neo gun stuff
 
26 Shootings, 6 Dead in NYC and Bloomberg Says His Gun Control Agenda Works?By TheGunMag / 5 June 2013 / 59 comments
Six dead and more than two dozen shootings in New York City over the weekend is a sign that Mayor Michael Bloomberg?s anti-gun agenda ? which he hopes to spread across the nation with his big bucks campaigns to buy away the gun rights of American citizens ? is beginning to fail, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.
?Michael Bloomberg wants to use his wealth to buy Big Apple gun control all over the country,? said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. ?Despite reports that New York City violence is actually down from last year, over the weekend, that city accounted for half of the slayings that Seattle has seen so far for the entire first five months of the year.
?Before Bloomberg spends another million dollars trying to spread his program of gun prohibition,? he added, ?the mayor ought to concentrate on his own turf and leave the rest of the nation alone.?
A story about the violent weekend held an important revelation about gun control that Gottlieb said has been overlooked. Yahoo News noted, ?New York recently became the first state to pass major gun control legislation since the Dec. 14 shootings in Newtown, Conn. The bill that Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed into law in January both strengthens the state?s existing assault weapons ban and introduces new mental health regulations for potential gun owners. None of that did much to help?a seventh-grader at Middle School 302 in the Bronx and one of three girls to be caught in the line of fire over the last few weeks.?
?That says it all about Bloomberg-style gun control,? Gottlieb observed. ?Fat cats like Bloomberg can push all the anti-gun nonsense their wallets can handle, but while their efforts crack down on law-abiding citizens, they won?t stop a single criminal from committing a heinous crime.
?Anti-gunners always complain about the ?Wild West?,? he noted, ?but it looks more and more like the real wild places are cities like Bloomberg?s New York, where law-abiding citizens are hard put to own, much less carry firearms for self-defense thanks to the elitist gun laws backed by the billionaire mayor that have consistently disarmed good people while not affecting the bad ones.?
 
This may have been the funniest page of posts ive read on here in a good time. Well done DOMS and jag. well done
 
WASHINGTON ? Democratic leaders in Congress and the White House renewed their push for gun legislation on Thursday, just months after it was defeated in the Senate, amid delicate talks on a new background-check measure that advocates hope could change enough votes from no to yes.

But those negotiations met a warning from Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, who said he would not acc...ept any bill that is substantially weaker than the one defeated in April.

?The bill that passes the Senate must have background checks, and not a watered-down version of background checks,? Mr. Reid declared in the Capitol, flanked by the families of Newtown, Conn., school shooting victims.

Those families also visited President Obama on Thursday at the White House and Speaker John A. Boehner.

Quiet talks between Senators Mark Begich, Democrat of Alaska, and Kelly Ayotte, Republican of New Hampshire, officially do not exist. Both senators voted no in April, and aides to both deny the existence of negotiations or legislation.

?There are no talks,? said Jeff Grappone, a spokesman for Ms. Ayotte. ?There is no legislation. She stands by her vote.?

But other senators are openly acknowledging and encouraging the effort and say the talks are building momentum. Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, said a new version of the gun bill would most likely enhance prosecutions of those who violate existing gun laws and further clarify that new legislation would not and could not lead to a national database of guns or gun ownership.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, right. After watching everything that's come out in the past few weeks/month, does anyone out there really trust these people in DC? I don't.

Not only no, but hell no. No compromise. No new gun control. Not one more inch shall be given when it comes to ANY of our rights, period. Make sure to let your Congress critters know that.
 
I'm starting to wonder if our governments goal is to be stupid and ineffective with legislation. Hell, it seems they are most effective when they are breaking the law.
 
jagbender said:
Gee Thanks for splain n that to me. :wacko:

Just sayin "neo" is your favorite word.

What's next Neogear? Neopussy,

Neotroll

Neo sucker
Click to expand...

the use of the word dates back to europe in the early 1900's but in the US it's been used by scholars since the 60's to describe legislative market reforms, basically the exact opposite of free market principles.

the neo-con is a conservative whose ideology involves the us of the military, globalization, foreign policy, etc. to achieve the progress of neo-liberal economic policy.
 
LAM said:
the use of the word dates back to europe in the early 1900's but in the US it's been used by scholars since the 60's to describe legislative market reforms, basically the exact opposite of free market principles.

the neo-con is a conservative whose ideology involves the us of the military, globalization, foreign policy, etc. to achieve the progress of neo-liberal economic policy.
Click to expand...
Six! Six dollars! HA-HA-HA! - Count Dracula. (sorry, I have nothing else to contribute...am ducking out now)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

jagbender
Colion Noir! inner city violence Gun control
Replies
16
Views
2K
Zaphod
Z
Curt James
Obama Taking 23 Actions Aimed at Gun Violence
Replies
9
Views
996
Arnold
Arnold
Arnold
Cops Fires 2 Rounds At Random Blackman In The Back While He’s Fleeing Gun Fire
Replies
0
Views
442
Arnold
Arnold
Back
Top