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Guns vs. Government - the discussion of violence in the U.S. and abroad
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Sex...bestiality...semantics...
All just a joke!
How many of you here that wanna to carry weapons were in the service?
Mutha phuqas!
I'll take that weapon and shove it up your ass and pull the trigger, and you'd like it, cause having a dude shoot you up the ass happens nightly.
How many of you here that wanna to carry weapons were in the service?
Mutha phuqas!
I'll take that weapon and shove it up your ass and pull the trigger, and you'd like it, cause having a dude shoot you up the ass happens nightly.
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I agree with you there. That is prejudice against a social status though. Its not race specific. They do not want the poor or middle class to have a voice. They think because they are wealthy they are smarter than us and have the right to decide for us. Well we have TWO voices. When they stop listening to the one that talks they will have to listen to the one that booms.
There are no numbers at all that would even accurately show how many crimes have been stopped by ccw holders. The generally don't go to the police and say "Hey, I stopped someone from carjacking me. You might want to write this down..."
Since the country hasn't turned into one giant Deadwood gun battle we can only assume ccw holders at minimum are not making things worse. If anything they are making things better and not by being vigilantes, just by being ordinary armed citizens that occasionally happen to be in the right place at the right time. The handful of deaths caused by ccw holders only reinforces this. Other demographics cause much more death by far.
I'll take this to the next level. I believe machine gun ownership should be legal with a class 3 stamp. I know that they are legal for personal ownership now, but they have to be registered before '86. Which makes them all high dollar collectors pieces now. ex. M16 = about $16,000. Reagan passed this in '86 for no reason at all.
Crime with Legally Owned Machine Guns
In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the ATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
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The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
In Targeting Guns, Kleck cites the director of ATF testifying before Congress that he knew of less than ten crimes that were committed with legally owned machine guns (no time period was specified). Kleck says these crimes could have been nothing more than violations of gun regulations such as failure to notify ATF after moving a registered gun between states.
That's one "possible" civilian murder in about 80yrs. I see no reason that as a law abiding citizen I shouldn't be able to buy a new one for the $1800 it's probably worth. Hell, the ATF let me buy two new silencers.
Crime with Legally Owned Machine Guns
In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the ATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
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The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
In Targeting Guns, Kleck cites the director of ATF testifying before Congress that he knew of less than ten crimes that were committed with legally owned machine guns (no time period was specified). Kleck says these crimes could have been nothing more than violations of gun regulations such as failure to notify ATF after moving a registered gun between states.
That's one "possible" civilian murder in about 80yrs. I see no reason that as a law abiding citizen I shouldn't be able to buy a new one for the $1800 it's probably worth. Hell, the ATF let me buy two new silencers.
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I have no problem with letting individuals do whatever the fuck they want. I dont think we need AT-4's in the civilian population but automatic weapons dont bother me. Plus it will be better to have machine guns when the world turns to zombies. Just saying.
The fact that the UK ban gun is retarded.
Criminals will still get guns. You are just disarming law abiding citizens who will actually follow the law.
And if criminal don't have easy access to guns, then they'll just use knives.
UK knife crime. LOL!!!!
Victims of Knife Crime - Tragic Stories of Knife Crime Victims UK
I may not NEED a fully automatic weapon but if I want one I should be able to go out and buy one without getting special permission from anyone. Aside from generating more money for the government to waste on utter bullshit it makes purchase and ownership something the government can take away. It ceases to be a right.
Not everybody has that luxury, did you ever consider that? VA hospitals are always in the worst areas possible so the government can save money on building on cheap land. Examples, downtown Phoenix, east orange nj, bonham tx etc. people need health care more than others.
Last year, I drew down on a bum for charging at me with a toaster oven in his hand like he was going to hit me with it. lucky for him, he backed up and walked away calling me names and making a spectacle of himself.
Last year, I drew down on a bum for charging at me with a toaster oven in his hand like he was going to hit me with it. lucky for him, he backed up and walked away calling me names and making a spectacle of himself.
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I rural Alabama, guns per capita are probably the highest then anywhere in the world. I came into this world already owning a nice collection of guns handed down by my grandfather. I was shooting a 410 gauge by the time I was 5. I was shooting a 20 gauge by the time I was 6 and was shooting everything but my dads .30-06 by the time I was 10. I didn't even hunt, I just enjoyed shooting.
To say guns were ingrained into our culture is an understatement. But, we also had the fewest gun fatalities per capita. We had crazy rebel flag wearing south will rise again lunatics running around armed to the tit, yet gun violence was almost unheard of.
I can't help but to believe that gun violence is more related to culture than the availability of guns.
To say guns were ingrained into our culture is an understatement. But, we also had the fewest gun fatalities per capita. We had crazy rebel flag wearing south will rise again lunatics running around armed to the tit, yet gun violence was almost unheard of.
I can't help but to believe that gun violence is more related to culture than the availability of guns.
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agreed......i blame it on rap music
We shot our bows at school and had our shotguns in the truck. Try that in school today.
dogsoldier
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Hell, we had 22 rifle rifle marksmanship as part of our PE when I was a kid.
My mother bought me my first rifle when I was 10. It was a single shot 22 short. She bought it from Woolworth's.
And as a kid, we would grab our 22's hop on our bikes head down to the lake front and shoot rats. When the cops showed up they usually joined in or gave us pointers.
And this was all in NY State, Buffalo to be exact.
Things have changed.
Fuck lam and anyone who thinks like him. They guy buys guns as much as the rest of us yet he argues that its a bad idea to arm citizens to defend themselves.
further evidence all the stuff he posts is just to get a rise out of you
Perhaps, however I still despise people who shit on the constitution.
dogsoldier
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It all boils down to this folks,
Unless you are planning on breaking into my house, the shotgun in my closet should be of no concern of yours.
Unless you are planning on breaking into my house, the shotgun in my closet should be of no concern of yours.
