Guns - Yes or No?

[DOMS]

I also don't like the idea of any law being passed that takes something away from me 'for my own good'...

Welcome to the world of political correctness.

 

[juggernaut]

"The National Rifle Association says, 'Gun's don't kill people. People do'. But I think the gun helps."
- Eddie Izzard

 

[section8]

You touched on an interesting point. Quite often, the same people who want to remove gun ownership cry out for free speech. It's funny how they fight vehemently to remove a right guaranteed by the constitution, but fight just as vehemently to keep another.



I really doubt that they're thinking it through.

I mean if you think about it, the Founding Fathers got tired of an oppressive government that was taxing them to death. So what did they do? They took up arms and rebelled. I think that if you take the right to own a firearm away from the citizens of a country then the lawmakers can run free and take away any or all of the citizens rights and there is nothing that the people can do about it. What can they do? Vote them out? Take away the power of the people to defend themselves and they could very easily appoint themselves to the office they hold for life. Not saying that would happen, but it has happened several time throughout history. That is just MHO, but I have never been a fan of big government anyways. I fell the government oversteps the bounds of it purpose a lot of the time.

 

[DOMS]

"The National Rifle Association says, 'Gun's don't kill people. People do'. But I think the gun helps."
- Eddie Izzard

It's funny. He's a Brit and here he's admonishing the use of guns. If you think that we're losing freedoms here in the US, just look at the Brits. If we're not careful, we'll end up like that.

 

[Goodfella9783]

Everybody knows the greasy Italians are ruthless criminals. If I'm gonna take guns away from all the other troubled minorities, I have to take them away from the murder hungry Italians too.

Where are you coming from with this and what is your background?
You're sounding pretty damn ignorant kid

 

[fletcher6490]

Where are you coming from with this and what is your background?
You're sounding pretty damn ignorant kid

I'm just joking around, chill. I'm Italian too. The funny thing is I knew that my original statement would get a rise out of you.

And to all the other minorities out there, I was just joking. Except for the blacks of course.

 

[bio-chem]

I mean if you think about it, the Founding Fathers got tired of an oppressive government that was taxing them to death. So what did they do? They took up arms and rebelled. I think that if you take the right to own a firearm away from the citizens of a country then the lawmakers can run free and take away any or all of the citizens rights and there is nothing that the people can do about it. What can they do? Vote them out? Take away the power of the people to defend themselves and they could very easily appoint themselves to the office they hold for life. Not saying that would happen, but it has happened several time throughout history. That is just MHO, but I have never been a fan of big government anyways. I fell the government oversteps the bounds of it purpose a lot of the time.

this is a valid point. the founding fathers chose the bill of rights carefully. the first steps to eliminating a republic hinge on the ability of the people to dissiminate information, ie freedom of speech. control what is said and people remain largely ignorant to the larger crimes of government. and the second is the ability of its citizens to defend themselves. not from each other, though that is important, but from the government that governs over them.

look at the step by step process hitler took to take over the german government. it becomes easier to see the importance of our bill of rights remaining intact.

 

[Witchblade]

It's not the guns that REALLY is the problem. It's the american inborn violent nature. You think all the Canadians are gay pussies, but at least they're not violent.

 

[juggernaut]

funny, but ballsy. I like that.

I'm just joking around, chill. I'm Italian too. The funny thing is I knew that my original statement would get a rise out of you.

And to all the other minorities out there, I was just joking. Except for the blacks of course.

 

[ZECH]

cops of course, other than that jsut to have a gun to think its cool it should be banned

Hmm, if we ban guns and that supposedly will solve crime, why do the cops need guns????Oh that's right, banning guns won't stop criminals will it?? So why take them from anyone else who needs them and has a constitutional right to have them?

 

[Goodfella9783]

I'm just joking around, chill. I'm Italian too. The funny thing is I knew that my original statement would get a rise out of you.

And to all the other minorities out there, I was just joking. Except for the blacks of course.

Yeah I figured you might've been messing around I was .

 

[DOMS]

It's not the guns that REALLY is the problem. It's the american inborn violent nature. You think all the Canadians are gay pussies, but at least they're not violent.

It beats being British, where they just can't wait to give up all of their rights. They're so ready to have CCTVs shoved up their asses that they bend over and say "Don't bother with the lube."

 

[DOMS]

Hmm, if we ban guns and that supposedly will solve crime, why do the cops need guns????Oh that's right, banning guns won't stop criminals will it?? So why take them from anyone else who needs them and has a constitutional right to have them?

Come on dg, you know that since the Brits and Aussies have outlawed guns that they no longer have any murders; or any crime at all.

 

[The Monkey Man]

Maybe we should just send millions of guns to Iraq instead of more soldiers and that would stop the violence. They just need to be armed better. Hopefully sectarian violence doesn't break out in Canada from those radical french canadians. Better build a wall on that border too.

If you sent guns to those Mayonaise slurping French Canucks,
they would undoubtedly assume it was some new expresso-style
instant tea water filler heater handle and promptly shoot themselves



"I like to look at a Russian or a German or an Italian--I even like to look at a Frenchman if I ever have the luck to catch him engaged in anything that ain't delicate."
~Samuel Clemens~

 

[Jamandell (d69)]

I'm completely against use of guns, and I'm glad here in the UK all handguns are banned.
You keep hearing about all these kids killed in schools, and the only way to stop it in my opinion is to take away the guns from the public.

 

[DOMS]

I'm completely against use of guns, and I'm glad here in the UK all handguns are banned.
You keep hearing about all these kids killed in schools, and the only way to stop it in my opinion is to take away the guns from the public.

So, you don't have any murders in the UK, right?

 

[bio-chem]

remember how the brady bill did absolutely nothing against crime in its ten year trial period? and then how not a peep was made when it quietly expired?

 

[Goodfella9783]

anyway, I think guns should be banned. It's too easy to kill someone with a gun.

Anyone can pull a split-second trigger and not fathom the consequences. Give the same guy a knife, does he have the heart to murder with it? Most likely not.

I agree with this.

 

[KelJu]

Between my father brother and myself, we own over 30 guns. All of us have been collecting rifles shotguns, revolvers pistols, and the occasional assault rifle.

I'll make it simple.

Anybody who tries to take our guns will die.

 

[bio-chem]

gun control is a falacy here in the united states.

 

[viet_jon]

So, you don't have any murders in the UK, right?

You can't exactly expect murders to dissipate over night after banning guns. MY guess would be that in due time, less total guns, should equal less total murders.


Where do criminals get their guns from anyhow? let's see.............they steal them from legal gun owners?!? Now if those legal gun owners didn't have guns, criminals could only rely on imported guns, which would drive the number of criminal guns down substantially.

 

[DOMS]

You can't exactly expect murders to dissipate over night after banning guns. MY guess would be that in due time, less total guns, should equal less total murders.


Where do criminals get their guns from anyhow? let's see.............they steal them from legal gun owners?!? Now if those legal gun owners didn't have guns, criminals could only rely on imported guns, which would drive the number of criminal guns down substantially.

Maybe in the UK, this is how they get their guns, but in the US, the illegal guns come, in large part, from Mexico.

 

[viet_jon]

Maybe in the UK, this is how they get their guns, but in the US, the illegal guns come, in large part, from Mexico.

I doubt there are numbers to back up these statements. We can only speculate the numbers of stolen guns vs. imported guns. But whatever the percentage may be, any chink in the number of total guns, has to eventually lessen the crime rate.

 

[ZECH]

I doubt there are numbers to back up these statements. We can only speculate the numbers of stolen guns vs. imported guns. But whatever the percentage may be, any chink in the number of total guns, has to eventually lessen the crime rate.

Do you have any idea what number of guns are in the US already?? Probably hundreds of millions. There will be plenty to go around for plenty of lifetimes without any new ones. So a gun ban will do no good. And try gun confiscation and you will see the worst revolt you have ever seen. The revolutionary war will look like childs play.

 

[Mudge]

Where do criminals get their guns from anyhow? let's see.............they steal them from legal gun owners?!?

Where do people get cocaine, they aren't all stealing from people legal sources. Do you not think they can get guns into the US illegally too? Nahh, that never happens.

 

[Mudge]

And try gun confiscation and you will see the worst revolt you have ever seen. The revolutionary war will look like childs play.

I doubt the northern states would protest that much, maybe in the south and in the east (Virginia etc) but in California and the like - I seriously, seriously doubt many would take up arms and hit the streets. This isn't 1842 anymore, and I really think only the southern states would be that hardcore about it to where it might be a possibility.

 

[viet_jon]

Do you have any idea what number of guns are in the US already?? Probably hundreds of millions. There will be plenty to go around for plenty of lifetimes without any new ones. So a gun ban will do no good. And try gun confiscation and you will see the worst revolt you have ever seen. The revolutionary war will look like childs play.

I'm not saying I have the solution. But America is not heading in the right direction to eradicate gun related crime by producing more and more guns.

I don't believe guns should be produced period. But this fucked up world we live in, that's unrealistic ideology.

 

[ZECH]

I doubt the northern states would protest that much, maybe in the south and in the east (Virginia etc) but in California and the like - I seriously, seriously doubt many would take up arms and hit the streets. This isn't 1842 anymore, and I really think only the southern states would be that hardcore about it to where it might be a possibility.

What about Texas, arizona and such. They are bigger for gun rights than the south IMO.

 

[Mudge]

To me Texas is about as south as you can get, look at the map brother.

Arizona yeah, they allow concealed weapons permits don't they? We don't have that in CA unless I believe you are some kind of LE.

 

[ZECH]

I'm not saying I have the solution. But America is not heading in the right direction to eradicate gun related crime by producing more and more guns.

I don't believe guns should be produced period. But this fucked up world we live in, that's unrealistic ideology.

They won't be either until they start doing something with the criminals that commit these acts. There is no penalties in place to deter it. Start the hanging at the square at high noon again and you will see a decrease.