Has anyone here been on the Daniel Fast

[drew.haynes]

I believe this is true. Eating meat is how our brains evolved, thus eliminating the Neanderthals and producing Cro-magnons ( I think )

Without meat, we wouldn't have been able to evolve to the point of understanding the bible...Or writing or reading...

You know that... as a Christian... he will most likely believe that any evolution beyond micro-evolution is completely ridiculous and false, and that it is nothing more than a theory toward which thousands devote endless efforts in the attempt to make MORE valid than the belief that God created a "young" earth, ultimately trying to minimize the significance of even historically verifiable points made in the Bible.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with him either. Not trying to start an argument which can't be concluded, since no one was around to say what really happened in the beginning... just thought it was funny that you were basing our ability to read on the theory of evolution, while talking to a Christian.

 

[GFR]

1 Timothy 4:1-3 says, ???Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.??? This says that people who command others to abstain from meats are false teachers.

sounds like the Catholic church to me

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

1 Timothy 4:1-5. It tells us that ???in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils???commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.???

I'm putting this in sig. thanks foreman, sweet quote.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

You know that... as a Christian... he will most likely believe that any evolution beyond micro-evolution is completely ridiculous and false, and that it is nothing more than a theory toward which thousands devote endless efforts in the attempt to make MORE valid than the belief that God created a "young" earth, ultimately trying to minimize the significance of even historically verifiable points made in the Bible.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with him either. Not trying to start an argument which can't be concluded, since no one was around to say what really happened in the beginning... just thought it was funny that you were basing our ability to read on the theory of evolution, while talking to a Christian.

Good post. I didn't even think about that while typing that response.
I don't know everything, obviously, and neither do I know a lot about the bible,
or God's teachings, ( I hope to learn more as I grow older, and start going to church again... )

 

[Mista]

Put your helmets on, there bible bashing going on

 

[ness]

Foreman...
Another supporting verse to argue with would be Acts 10:10-15

10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Also, In 1 Timothy 4 verse 1 begins by saying, "The Spirit clearly says" which would mean although this is a letter it is nonetheless something God said.

Lastly, I'm not trying to bust you up for doing this whole Daniel fast thing (as a Christian myself) although I do believe there is a difference between this kind of fast and a juice fast (as you mentioned). A juice fast is beneficial physically...not so sure about the one you are attempting.

 

[Stu]

Foreman is going to hell

 

[bludevil]

Foreman...
Another supporting verse to argue with would be Acts 10:10-15

10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Also, In 1 Timothy 4 verse 1 begins by saying, "The Spirit clearly says" which would mean although this is a letter it is nonetheless something God said.

Lastly, I'm not trying to bust you up for doing this whole Daniel fast thing (as a Christian myself) although I do believe there is a difference between this kind of fast and a juice fast (as you mentioned). A juice fast is beneficial physically...not so sure about the one you are attempting.

Your taking this qoute entirely out of context. He's not talking about meat or eating at all. This chapter in the bible is referring to witnessing to Gentiles. Many diciples in those times only thought Jews could be saved. God is referencing food/meat as the Gentiles. Hence "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean". Meaning even Gentiles can be saved and seen as your brothers in christ.

I hate it when non Christians try to take verses out of the bible and use it, because the only show their ignorance or lack of knowledge for the bible and the workings/sayings of Jesus Christ.

I will say that Foreman might be on to something though. 1st of all, their were no women preachers in the bible, all were men and hence I believe only men are really called to be teachers of christ. Second, It's found many times within the bible that Jesus ate meat, ex, fish and fowl.

 

[Diakonos]

People, People, People

Some of the responses to this thread have been down right hilarious???

and ridiculous ???

At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) ever say that eating meat was wrong, sinful or bad in any way (especially since I enjoy eating meat). At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) make a distinction between which meats are good and which meats are bad (clean or unclean). Nor am I advocating vegetarianism (thought I don???t see anything wrong with it). I was simply talking about a 21 day fast (not a lifestyle change, but a fast). So what???s up with all of the Bible bashing?

If I had made the argument that Christians should obtain from meat (be it clean or unclean or whatever), then maybe I could understand the references to Timothy 4:1-5 or Acts 10:10-15. But I didn???t. So these Bible verses have been used completely out of context. And nothing agitates me more than wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preachers who misquote/misuse scripture and put their own spin on it.

For what it is worth, I think it???s funny that the only thing people seem to have a problem with is giving up meat. No one seems to have a problem with the guidelines of the fast that say no sugar, or salt or alcohol or tobacco.

By the way, the question still stands. Has anyone done this fast?

 

[ness]

Your taking this qoute entirely out of context. He's not talking about meat or eating at all. This chapter in the bible is referring to witnessing to Gentiles. Many diciples in those times only thought Jews could be saved. God is referencing food/meat as the Gentiles. Hence "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean". Meaning even Gentiles can be saved and seen as your brothers in christ.

I am NOT taking this quote out of context. Yes, it can reference witnessing to the Gentiles HOWEVER, in many study guides it can ALSO refer to how before the crucifixion God labeled some animals as clean and unclean due to the sacrificing needs of the Old Testament. And now in the New Testament God is telling Peter that because of His sacrifice on the cross those unclean animals are considered clean and can now be eaten.

I hate it when non Christians try to take verses out of the bible and use it, because the only show their ignorance or lack of knowledge for the bible and the workings/sayings of Jesus Christ.

I am in fact a Christian and I although I have much to learn I am not totally ignorant when it comes to scripture.

 

[ness]

At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) ever say that eating meat was wrong, sinful or bad in any way (especially since I enjoy eating meat). At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) make a distinction between which meats are good and which meats are bad (clean or unclean). Nor am I advocating vegetarianism (thought I don???t see anything wrong with it). I was simply talking about a 21 day fast (not a lifestyle change, but a fast). So what???s up with all of the Bible bashing?

I'm pretty sure that very few of us that have been posting have been "Bible bashing." There is just a difference if beliefs and how certain portions of scripture are taken. You can't expect to throw a post out here which not only concerns your fast but is a Biblical issue as well and expect people to stay specifically on topic...read more threads, it is a common occurance.

If I had made the argument that Christians should obtain from meat (be it clean or unclean or whatever), then maybe I could understand the references to Timothy 4:1-5 or Acts 10:10-15. But I didn???t. So these Bible verses have been used completely out of context. And nothing agitates me more than wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preachers who misquote/misuse scripture and put their own spin on it.

Again...your questions spanned a much greater topic and you can't expect people to stay on topic especially when you are being asked specifics from people who don't even know what you were talking about to begin with.
AND I refuse to be called a "wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preacher who misquotes/misuses scripture" I did not misquote OR misuse scripture- and on top of that, when I posted...I wasn't even talking to you- I was responding to something else that was written.

 

[GFR]

Foreman...
Another supporting verse to argue with would be Acts 10:10-15

10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Also, In 1 Timothy 4 verse 1 begins by saying, "The Spirit clearly says" which would mean although this is a letter it is nonetheless something God said.

Lastly, I'm not trying to bust you up for doing this whole Daniel fast thing (as a Christian myself) although I do believe there is a difference between this kind of fast and a juice fast (as you mentioned). A juice fast is beneficial physically...not so sure about the one you are attempting.

Believe it or not this Atheist spent some time reading the Bible yesterday.
It has been about 15 years since I really studied it.....think its time to brush up on it.

 

[GFR]

People, People, People

Some of the responses to this thread have been down right hilarious???

and ridiculous ???

At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) ever say that eating meat was wrong, sinful or bad in any way (especially since I enjoy eating meat). At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) make a distinction between which meats are good and which meats are bad (clean or unclean). Nor am I advocating vegetarianism (thought I don???t see anything wrong with it). I was simply talking about a 21 day fast (not a lifestyle change, but a fast). So what???s up with all of the Bible bashing?

If I had made the argument that Christians should obtain from meat (be it clean or unclean or whatever), then maybe I could understand the references to Timothy 4:1-5 or Acts 10:10-15. But I didn???t. So these Bible verses have been used completely out of context. And nothing agitates me more than wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preachers who misquote/misuse scripture and put their own spin on it.

For what it is worth, I think it???s funny that the only thing people seem to have a problem with is giving up meat. No one seems to have a problem with the guidelines of the fast that say no sugar, or salt or alcohol or tobacco.

By the way, the question still stands. Has anyone done this fast?

Foreman/Diakonos is/are going to hell

 

[Diakonos]

I'm pretty sure that very few of us that have been posting have been "Bible bashing." There is just a difference if beliefs and how certain portions of scripture are taken. You can't expect to throw a post out here which not only concerns your fast but is a Biblical issue as well and expect people to stay specifically on topic...read more threads, it is a common occurance.


Again...your questions spanned a much greater topic and you can't expect people to stay on topic especially when you are being asked specifics from people who don't even know what you were talking about to begin with.
AND I refuse to be called a "wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preacher who misquotes/misuses scripture" I did not misquote OR misuse scripture- and on top of that, when I posted...I wasn't even talking to you- I was responding to something else that was written.

Ness,

I wasn't referring to you with my "wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preacher" comment. You make a good point about how easy it is for threads to get off topic.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

Foreman/Diakonos is/are going to hell

Does it really not bother you to think you will go to hell? Eternal torture and damnation?
Or do you just believe we rot, and nothing else when we die...It's pretty
disheartening.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

Does it really not bother you to think you will go to hell? Eternal torture and damnation?
Or do you just believe we rot, and nothing else when we die...It's pretty
disheartening.

He doesn't believe in God.

 

[drew.haynes]

I vote that, for the sake of the thread's author, any spiritual conversations be continued in private messages or another thread. I for one don't mind getting any PMs or IMs about spiritual topics if anyone is looking to discuss anything along those lines.

I just think, for this guy's sake, someone should finally start answering the question he asked in the first place.

 

[GFR]

Does it really not bother you to think you will go to hell? Eternal torture and damnation?
Or do you just believe we rot, and nothing else when we die...It's pretty
disheartening.

Simple tricks and nonsense

 

[bludevil]

To answer his question, no I haven't tried this diet. You can try google, maybe
"opinions on Daniel fast diet", and see what kind of hits you get.

 

[bludevil]

To answer his question, no I haven't tried this diet. You can try google, maybe
"opinions on Daniel fast diet", and see what kind of hits you get.

I am in fact a Christian and I although I have much to learn I am not totally ignorant when it comes to scripture.

Ness, I wasn't referring to you when I wrote this but to all non-believers who keep trying to contradict what the bible says. Sorry if I came across that way.

 

[mb27]

Maybe I missed it but can you eat fish? I'd go for that.

 

[GFR]

Maybe I missed it but can you eat fish? I'd go for that.

You can but only if Jesus conjures them up from the air with one of his magic spells.

 

[mb27]

You can but only if Jesus conjures them up from the air with one of his magic spell.

Lol!

 

[Super Hulk]

...and that is what I am struggling with. My Pastor has called the entire congretion to this fast for 3 weeks. I strength train. There is not a lot of protein built into this fast. So...

I am looking for ways to get more protein without violating the guidlines of the fast.
No meat, poultry, milk, eggs, sodium, additives & preservatives.
Many of the protein supplments on the market are high in sodium, and sugars.

Any suggestions.

how about protein shakes ? or is there such a thing



fasting is stupid. it makes you weak and unable to function properly

 

[Diakonos]

how about protein shakes ? or is there such a thing



fasting is stupid. it makes you weak and unable to function properly

Super Hulk

Just out of curiosity, have you ever fasted before?

 

[Robyne Arrow]

Fasting is used by many and has been for century's. It's a great way to rid the body of toxins and waste. Sure it makes the body weak as the body is working over time ridding the body of the above. It's important when fasting that one limit their activity.

The important question to ask whether one should fast is merely, why and the purpose behind it. (If one wants to compete this is not the appropriate way to lose weight however for mere health or anti aging purposes fasting has merit.)
Additionally the purpose of fasting is critical as there are hundreds of fasts which could be just as faddish as the thousands of diets available.
There are many styles of fasts; 12 hour fast, 1 day fast, 3 day fast, water fast, juice fast. The more intense the fast the more important is to work along side a doctor preferably a holistic doctor. You may want to check out Gabriel Cousens books. In my opinion he is the master on fasting and detoxing.

Whats important is not just whether one should fast, and if so with which fast, but how one comes out of the fast.

I have studied many fasts, tried a few of them and worked with dozens of well-known doctors regarding them. I hope this helps out!