Think about this when you are thinking about Sexuality whether it be Heterosexuality, BiSexuality or Homosexuality. ALL ARE VERY NATURAL AND RIGHT AND GOOD and serve purpose(s). Each does exist in Nature and the Natural World of which we all are a part. Whether you, I or anyone else "agrees" or "not" with that IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. ALSO, God NEVER said and Christ NEVER said ONE WORD about any of these forms of Sexuality being wrong EVER. NOT ONE TIME. NEVER. If They NEVER said - and THEY NEVER DID - then I would think as long as people are not using and / or abusing another and as long as each is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely it is no one else's business - not you, I, or the public or the government or religion (which IS MAN MADE) what two people agree to do. It is a VERY PRIVATE AND PERSONAL MATTER. AND IS NOT WRONG. Take Care, John H.
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Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality
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Oh really... The bible is the inspired word of God. Take a look at 1Cor9, "...Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effiminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, ...... shall inherit the kingdom of God."
I'm sure you won't agree with this and have your own agenda. I won't respond any further, but wanted to post the truth.
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Re: Re: Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality
Everything he is posting is a crock!
Homosexuality was not a word that was coined until 1869. Depending on what version of the bible you read, it is not ever used.
The remark is specifically against male prostitues, not homosexuals in general or all same sex relationships in general. This is of course the KJV (after the New Testament was translated into greek fromhebrew, to latin , then the vulgar languages (french, spanish, italian) and finally, english. There is still alot of room for misinterpretation.
In fact, if you look at the laws in the Old Testament, (The leviticus laws that seemingly prohibit it) the same mistranslation occurs. Rabbinic scholars are not rallying to end homosexuality like the christians. In original hebrew, many of these laws dealt with temple cleanliness rather than specifically against homosexuality. Unless someone can quote and read Hebrew, Arameic, or Greek, there is absolutely no definative statement against homosexuals in both old and new testament except by intrepretion through translation.
The remark is specifically against male prostitues, not homosexuals in general or all same sex relationships in general. This is of course the KJV (after the New Testament was translated into greek fromhebrew, to latin , then the vulgar languages (french, spanish, italian) and finally, english. There is still alot of room for misinterpretation.
In fact, if you look at the laws in the Old Testament, (The leviticus laws that seemingly prohibit it) the same mistranslation occurs. Rabbinic scholars are not rallying to end homosexuality like the christians. In original hebrew, many of these laws dealt with temple cleanliness rather than specifically against homosexuality. Unless someone can quote and read Hebrew, Arameic, or Greek, there is absolutely no definative statement against homosexuals in both old and new testament except by intrepretion through translation.
There is but one closest to the orignal text.........The King James Version. Niv and all this new crap leaves out what ever to suit what people want to hear.
Geez, what brought on this unprovoked rant?
Bandaid, I was wondering what you do for a living? You seem to be very well read in a number of topics from what I have seen in this thread and TGS's thread about religion.
Bandaid, I was wondering what you do for a living? You seem to be very well read in a number of topics from what I have seen in this thread and TGS's thread about religion.
I will pm you.
Hey bandaid, how about a date?
This isn't a gay rights forum, is it?
So why did we leave out MONOSEXUALITY for those who have only masturbated or perhaps practice it along with the other sexual acts?
There are two kinds of Monosexuals. Those who do it and those who lie and say they don't do it.
There are two kinds of Monosexuals. Those who do it and those who lie and say they don't do it.
This was a good link discussing the meaning of the greek or hebrew words and how they came to pass as being interpreted as homosexual.
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/sexorient/hom_bibc.htm
Of course, we have to trust the interpretators conclusions about the vagaries of the ancient languages since I don't think anyone here knows ancient biblical language...but I may be wrong.
When humans get involved it seems like everything gets mucked up. I have a hard time with religion in general because of interpretation and human weakness. Not saying that all of my opinions are in stone, but when the church constantly keeps splitting and dividing over human BS its hard to believe anything that comes from such a thing.
I grew up religious and my dad was an alter boy for many years, so it is almost somewhat odd for me to be saying these things. I fly seat of the pants more or less nowdays.
I've brought this up before and again I forget the name and period of the event (1400s or 1800s?), where various texts were burnt because people disagreed over certain things, and this whole thing was to avoid yet another church split. Of course it is ridiculous to expect perfection from people, but it seems all too often that people have thier head up thier bunghole and dont even try to cooperate or understand others.
I grew up religious and my dad was an alter boy for many years, so it is almost somewhat odd for me to be saying these things. I fly seat of the pants more or less nowdays.
I've brought this up before and again I forget the name and period of the event (1400s or 1800s?), where various texts were burnt because people disagreed over certain things, and this whole thing was to avoid yet another church split. Of course it is ridiculous to expect perfection from people, but it seems all too often that people have thier head up thier bunghole and dont even try to cooperate or understand others.
to each his own... why condemn... but, if you wanna throw out some scripture that the translation can't be questioned...
God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him may be saved."
(John 3:17
So, let me get this straight... The Son of God, the one who saved us all... didn't come to condemn... I feel pretty guilty condemning anyone... anyone ever been to Sunday School and learn that:
God is Love
God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him may be saved."
(John 3:17
So, let me get this straight... The Son of God, the one who saved us all... didn't come to condemn... I feel pretty guilty condemning anyone... anyone ever been to Sunday School and learn that:
God is Love
Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
to each his own... why condemn... but, if you wanna throw out some scripture that the translation can't be questioned...
God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him may be saved."
(John 3:17
So, let me get this straight... The Son of God, the one who saved us all... didn't come to condemn... I feel pretty guilty condemning anyone... anyone ever been to Sunday School and learn that:
God is Love
I think you just summed up the essence of what makes Christianity so great.
firestorm
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Re: Re: Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality
Yea Maddog and that is not the only place in the bible that speaks about the sin of homosexuality. This guy had no idea what he is talking about.
Homosexuality has to be accepted because the government wont ban it but regardless it's still a sin in the eyes of God and Me for that matter. I do not condone homosexuality and I refuse to accept gay marriages as normal and I certainly hope the government does not change their view on this either. Peace
Yea Maddog and that is not the only place in the bible that speaks about the sin of homosexuality. This guy had no idea what he is talking about.
Homosexuality has to be accepted because the government wont ban it but regardless it's still a sin in the eyes of God and Me for that matter. I do not condone homosexuality and I refuse to accept gay marriages as normal and I certainly hope the government does not change their view on this either. Peace
firestorm
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All you guys have very good points. Mudge and Mayo for example and right or wrong, I'm old fashioned and of old fashioned beliefs. I do not dislike homosexuals at all I just do not condone that lifestyle and am repulsed by the thought of 2 guys getting it on. Damn I accidentally saw a few minutes of "queer ass folks" on Showtime one night and I was sickened by what I saw. It's just not normal man!!! Guys going down on guys ok.. thats enough I'm outta here I don't wish to discuss this any further I'm getting knots in my stomach.
Last note: if your gay, abstinence is the way to go and seek professional help and maybe religous counseling.
Last note: if your gay, abstinence is the way to go and seek professional help and maybe religous counseling.
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It doesn't bother me that badly but I sure dont want to watch it. Lesbianism doesn't bother me but it doesn't really turn me on either.
One thing I dont like is the hypocrisy of so many males who find lesbians hot and gay men so discusting that they should be beaten or killed, thats just ridiculous beyond measure.
One bisexual woman on another board actually believes that gay men will burn in hell, and yet what she does is ok because there is no anal penetration when it comes to women. Dont even try to explain that to me her head was screwed on backwards.
One thing I dont like is the hypocrisy of so many males who find lesbians hot and gay men so discusting that they should be beaten or killed, thats just ridiculous beyond measure.
One bisexual woman on another board actually believes that gay men will burn in hell, and yet what she does is ok because there is no anal penetration when it comes to women. Dont even try to explain that to me her head was screwed on backwards.
firestorm
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Oh comeon now Mudge your kidding me. Ok this gal your talking about has one serious screw loose. What a wack job. Oh and please don't use the word penitration and anal in the same sentence please. thanks. Anyway I'm not a hypocrite, I don't believe either is moral.
and I'm not saying all this to start a debat. I refuse to debate my moral beliefs nor do I expect anyone else to explain theirs to me. I agree,, live and let live just don't push it on me.
and I'm not saying all this to start a debat. I refuse to debate my moral beliefs nor do I expect anyone else to explain theirs to me. I agree,, live and let live just don't push it on me.
Geez, Firestorm....why the hell do you even need to let your mind go to thinking about two men getting it on? What does it have to do with you, or with your own life and relationships?
I can appreciate anyone saying that their own religious beliefs, and the beliefs they hold personally in their own relationship with God, make this something they can't believe in for their lives. But to extend that so far as to think governments should ban it because you personally don't like the thoughts your own mind goes to?
Historically, that resulted in a lot of lynchings, used as an excuse for beatings and murders, caused people to be jailed and abused for that reason alone. Court records have plenty of testimony where "hatred of the imagined act" was a successful defense as a reason to kill someone. Hell, as recently as in Matthew Shepards case (the college student who ended up beaten and tied to a fence and eventually died) the defendants attempted that same line of reasoning as a defense.
I don't think anyone expects someone else to like or dislike the relationships of others, any more than I think you'd appreciate someone sticking their noses in your bedroom or imagining what you do in private with your wife.
I honestly respect people who say they don't like it....but when they make that statement, I assume they are referring to themselves and their own sexual desires and behavior - not the lives of other people who pay taxes, support the community and expect others to keep their thoughts out of their bedrooms.
I can appreciate anyone saying that their own religious beliefs, and the beliefs they hold personally in their own relationship with God, make this something they can't believe in for their lives. But to extend that so far as to think governments should ban it because you personally don't like the thoughts your own mind goes to?
Historically, that resulted in a lot of lynchings, used as an excuse for beatings and murders, caused people to be jailed and abused for that reason alone. Court records have plenty of testimony where "hatred of the imagined act" was a successful defense as a reason to kill someone. Hell, as recently as in Matthew Shepards case (the college student who ended up beaten and tied to a fence and eventually died) the defendants attempted that same line of reasoning as a defense.
I don't think anyone expects someone else to like or dislike the relationships of others, any more than I think you'd appreciate someone sticking their noses in your bedroom or imagining what you do in private with your wife.
I honestly respect people who say they don't like it....but when they make that statement, I assume they are referring to themselves and their own sexual desires and behavior - not the lives of other people who pay taxes, support the community and expect others to keep their thoughts out of their bedrooms.
firestorm
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firestorm
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Kbm, i re-read my post and what I was simply stating was that Homosexuality has to be accepted since it isn't ever getting banned. In that I'm not saying I feel the governement should ban it only saying that nothing short of banning it would ever make it go away so its going to be accepted. Make sense?
As for my last note on that regarding the Government I stated the stance against same sex marriages. not banning
As for my last note on that regarding the Government I stated the stance against same sex marriages. not banning
firestorm
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As your referrence to my personnel life by the way,, I keep my personal life for the most part where my wife and kids are concerned quiet and just that personnel. I don't march my family in heterosexual parades and carry banners looking for attention to myself and my way of life. When someone comes in here and starts an "open" thread about their life style they are opening themselves up for dissection. Hence you have never nor will ever see a thread here by me shoving my heterosexual beliefs in anyones face. so my bedroom door is closed because I don't start thread opening myself up to criticism.
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It's John H!!! Why couldn't you go to Elite Fitness forums or ABCBodybuilding.com? Not here....
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