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He has proven himself to be very foolish many times now. Just one look at your pics should have been enough for him to realize we was very lucky to get an IM from you. Dam, I should have said I was 18 and about to use steriods.
Lucky bastered doesn't know how good he has it and he could easily screw up his life forever!!
Ben dur
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doesnt anyone read...
muscletech is better than steroids anyways..
stack them and you will instantly be just like jay cutler
anyone who has ever stepped foot in a real gym should know that
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its not really this kids fault, the media has pushed this belief on the public. coupled with modern advertisements and our ever so gready "informative, resourceful" mainstream media (like bodybuilding magazines) and this is what young people are disposed to.
STEROIDS WILL MAKE ME BIG AND STRONG...
and look at the athletes who use them, they are healthy and vibrant...
muscletech is better than steroids anyways..
stack them and you will instantly be just like jay cutler
anyone who has ever stepped foot in a real gym should know that
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its not really this kids fault, the media has pushed this belief on the public. coupled with modern advertisements and our ever so gready "informative, resourceful" mainstream media (like bodybuilding magazines) and this is what young people are disposed to.
STEROIDS WILL MAKE ME BIG AND STRONG...
and look at the athletes who use them, they are healthy and vibrant...
sus250maybe
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He has proven himself to be very foolish many times now. Just one look at your pics should have been enough for him to realize we was very lucky to get an IM from you. Dam, I should have said I was 18 and about to use steriods.
Lucky bastered doesn't know how good he has it and he could easily screw up his life forever!!
First of all, To this quote writer: your a fucking jackass, reason being im gonna do a great cycle, have a great PCT, and prove all of you wrong. ill have before pics, and after pics, and after after pics. To prove i can 1) retain the muscle
2) Gain mass 3) That steroids and age matter but not to the extents you guys push it to. Its responsibility that really matters. and i think have it considering that sus has been sitting in my locker for over 2 weeks. If i wanted to be a jackass i couldve started injecting myself already and then got the HCG, and Nolv, and clom but no, i waited.
And as far as the whole woman sitatuion goes, i dont care if your a guy or a girl, i appreciate the help, the only reason i wasnt on is because school has been a pain in the ass, and im training extremely hard. Knowledge is knowledge. and im always hungry.
sus250maybe
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He has proven himself to be very foolish many times now. Just one look at your pics should have been enough for him to realize we was very lucky to get an IM from you. Dam, I should have said I was 18 and about to use steriods.
Lucky bastered doesn't know how good he has it and he could easily screw up his life forever!!
First of all, To this quote writer: your a fucking jackass, reason being im gonna do a great cycle, have a great PCT, and prove all of you wrong. ill have before pics, and after pics, and after after pics. To prove i can 1) retain the muscle
2) Gain mass 3) That steroids and age matter but not to the extents you guys push it to. Its responsibility that really matters. and i think have it considering that sus has been sitting in my locker for over 2 weeks. If i wanted to be a jackass i couldve started injecting myself already and then got the HCG, and Nolv, and clom but no, i waited.
And as far as the whole woman sitatuion goes, i dont care if your a guy or a girl, i appreciate the help, the only reason i wasnt on is because school has been a pain in the ass, and im training extremely hard. Knowledge is knowledge. and im always hungry.
Ben dur
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well.. idk why you think its such a great idea... but if your so set on doing your cycle, i would make very sure you have the proper support sups, and pct in place, if nobody here is going to give you the help you need for doing this kind of experiment with your body, there is plenty of information on the web about these substances...
i DO NOT support your idea, but like it has been said before 1000 times you should not just be ignored...
if you really have all the stuff you say you have, there is probably no stopping you at this point
if i had ANY knowledge about any of this i would offer my help, for the simple fact that with NO HELP you are liable to fuck yourself over much harder than you possibly could WITH HELP...
but i dont know anything about it so my advice stops at "wait untill your older"
as for the knowledgable members here
i would like to point to one case
a member logged on here a few months ago who lived nearby me named "Bandon A" with the screenname "queswim" or something similar.
i did not know him, but he added me on myspace after he learn of my location and asked me for his opinion and knowledge, which i had none and could not help him
he ended up running a cycle of "Dbol" or some shit against my advice...
then a couple months later another cycle which i know nothing about...
to my knowledge he is 17...
you should give these kids SOME advice
because if the goods are available to them, they WILL use them no matter what you say. social pressure both local and celebrity/media all but require them to do this kind of thing to themselves
and with NO supervision at all they are more likely to hurt themselves than with our advice
just think about it
mr "sus250blahblahblah" could have just lied and said he was 28 and he would be getting all the help he needed anyways
whats the difference?
i DO NOT support your idea, but like it has been said before 1000 times you should not just be ignored...
if you really have all the stuff you say you have, there is probably no stopping you at this point
if i had ANY knowledge about any of this i would offer my help, for the simple fact that with NO HELP you are liable to fuck yourself over much harder than you possibly could WITH HELP...
but i dont know anything about it so my advice stops at "wait untill your older"
as for the knowledgable members here
i would like to point to one case
a member logged on here a few months ago who lived nearby me named "Bandon A" with the screenname "queswim" or something similar.
i did not know him, but he added me on myspace after he learn of my location and asked me for his opinion and knowledge, which i had none and could not help him
he ended up running a cycle of "Dbol" or some shit against my advice...
then a couple months later another cycle which i know nothing about...
to my knowledge he is 17...
you should give these kids SOME advice
because if the goods are available to them, they WILL use them no matter what you say. social pressure both local and celebrity/media all but require them to do this kind of thing to themselves
and with NO supervision at all they are more likely to hurt themselves than with our advice
just think about it
mr "sus250blahblahblah" could have just lied and said he was 28 and he would be getting all the help he needed anyways
whats the difference?
Ben dur
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but just for the record
i think you should stick to the basic supplements for a few years.
they are cheap and proven, and regarded as generally safe at your age
i truly hope you get some kind of guidance because if these products are available to you there almost certainly NO STOPPING YOU...
i think you should stick to the basic supplements for a few years.
they are cheap and proven, and regarded as generally safe at your age
i truly hope you get some kind of guidance because if these products are available to you there almost certainly NO STOPPING YOU...
zeek
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200 lbs at 5'4"... holy crap, you will look like a big muscle meat ball, now, how about if we try to help you with a diet and work out plan first. My lil bro works out with me every day, eats proper, and I only have 15lbs on him and I use gear and he doesn't. Now, he's 17, 205lbs, and 6'1", and ripped, he gained 20 lbs this summer til now just lifting and using a proper diet plan. He wants to use gear too but he still keeps getting bigger and stronger so I keep saying "no" just like these guys are telling you...You don't need gear yet....you have more natural test in your body right now than most of take...the big key is diet,diet, diet. I know I will help you with a diet, and lifting program, I am sure everyone else here will too, give this a chance for 6 months first, if you don't like the results then do whatever you want after that. Gear is not a magic drug, you can't take it and instantly get huge, it takes alot of years to get huge like you want.
Perdido
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No one is saying those things won't happen...you've totally missed the point so knock yourself out bro.
sus250maybe
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ben dur, you pretty much put it the way i think. I have em. no stopping me. Shadow cam, im gonna prove your ass wrong. You'll see my responsibility, and unresponsibility, before i start, after i start. and a few months after im done. You'll be surprised i guarantee it. Rahaas its not that ive missed the point, i got it a long time ago, but you missed the point. Theres no stopping me. at this point you guys probably think im the biggest jackass alive. Im in no position to compare myself to Arnold Schwarzenegger but was he the same jackass when he started at under 16? And once again to ben dur i did get the help i needed, i got a cycle that makes tons more sense, that seems to be a lot better for me. Thanks to everyone. And a special thanks to shadowcam, those words push me harder and harder.
jmorrison
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The point just sort of whooshes over your head doesn't it? You are going to prove shadowcam wrong....how? No one is saying you won't make gains. No one is saying that you won't get ripped.
Everyone is saying that shutting down your natural test at 18 is window-licking. You are going to SHUT DOWN your natural test production POSSIBLY FOREVER for a slight increase in overall body testesterone.
You should continue to eat, train, sleep for a few more years and take advantage of your own test while you have it.
Everyone is saying that shutting down your natural test at 18 is window-licking. You are going to SHUT DOWN your natural test production POSSIBLY FOREVER for a slight increase in overall body testesterone.
You should continue to eat, train, sleep for a few more years and take advantage of your own test while you have it.
sus250maybe
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jmorrison, i dont know if you read the previous posts or not. first of all, natural test production will only go down cause your body doesnt need it. theres HCG, and Clomid, to help that go back up. a 15 YEAR OLD could take steroids, and still end up having normal test production. Theres a point of a PCT and thats exactly it. What im gonna prove to shadowcam is the fact that i could make gains on a cycle, and once im off the cycle still make gains proving that my natural test production has not been cut off. Once again lemme remind you that TONS of bodybuilders have done this(taken steroids under the age of 18).
jmorrison
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Hey guys! Gimme advice! Gimme advice! I'm going to argue with whatever you tell me, and do what I want anyway, but gimme advice!
Hell I don't need advice anyway! I am an 18 year old expert!
Hell I don't need advice anyway! I am an 18 year old expert!
jmorrison
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I disagree. I think that if there is a shred of hope that someone will say whatever needs to be said to get through this kids head BEFORE he hurts himself, then it's worth trying. I wouldn't give up trying to talk someone out of killing themselves, snorting crack, or robbing a bank either, even if they DID have their minds made up.
Perdido
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Maybe he'll be back to show off his huge physique along with his tiny raisin nuts that have quit working permanently, bitchen about he can't get wood & how much HRT now is costing him.
Perdido
Elite Member
I've read in anti aging brochures that if you go to a center getting all of the blood work done it's somewhere in the range of like $1200 to $1500 a month.
I don't believe it's covered under allot of insurance plans either but I could be wrong. I'm assuming getting HRT is close to the same as what AA clinics would do.
Holy CRAP.
We pay $40 for an amp of 10ml of Test Cyp, 100mg/ml. Hubby goes through one every 6 weeks.
Well, okay, WE don't pay ANYTHING - our health plan picks it up, but that's because of our extended health plan. If we had different jobs without extended health, it would cost us the forty bucks!
I <3 Canada!
We pay $40 for an amp of 10ml of Test Cyp, 100mg/ml. Hubby goes through one every 6 weeks.
Well, okay, WE don't pay ANYTHING - our health plan picks it up, but that's because of our extended health plan. If we had different jobs without extended health, it would cost us the forty bucks!
I <3 Canada!
sus250maybe
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no thats not true jmorrison, i listen to all advice anyone gives me but i decide whether or not what i wanna do. If your just gonna tell me to not do whatever i was going to do simply because you have no fucking clue whether it could or could not shut down the test in my body (after all you have NO PROOF), When you do ill consider listening to you. Listen, im not here to create hard feelings between me and you or anyone. i was here for advice, and i get some of it to an extent. And rahaas just for you ill be taking pictures of my nuts as we go along....its your choice if you wanna see em at the end or not. (I am dead serious, and not trying be rude, or perverted, or gay)....And ill make sure i send you one with a hard dick too. And if that doesnt happen i will come back, I will literally say sorry to all of you. Really at this point nobody on this forum could decide what's gonna happen to me not even myself. We'll all find in a few months and I WILL be back to tell you all.
IF i fuck up my life, atleast i know that i did it cause i wanted to and not cause some jackass told me to.
If i successfully accomplished my goals i will have a shitload more confidence in myself, pride, a great physique, and bragging rights.
See you all in a few months.
IF i fuck up my life, atleast i know that i did it cause i wanted to and not cause some jackass told me to.
If i successfully accomplished my goals i will have a shitload more confidence in myself, pride, a great physique, and bragging rights.
See you all in a few months.
Ben dur
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well...
your nuts willl shrink on AAS
thats just a fact
they SHOULD return to normal after your cycle is over but
they WILL shrink
thats part of taking AAS
your natural hormonal system shuts down while ON
and then (hopefully) turns back on when you go OFF
and even in healthy adults it takes quite awhile for your natural levels to return to acceptable levels, and almost never to the previous levels
and all that is to say you didnt overextend your cycle, use an excessive dosage, and your PCT is spot on...
and the younger you are, the greater the NEGATIVE effects will be, and the lower the positive effect will be, because there is a lower contrast between natural and synthetic
you could ramp up dosages to achieve a greater effect, at the cost of a harder shutdown, and more drawn out recovery (that is to say you DO recover anyways) and the lower your natural levels will end up at after everything is said and done
so go ahead and take pictures of your nuts...
after a couple weeks you will wish you had never decided to mess with AAS at your age...
god forbid any young ladies get the opportunity to see your tiny ball sack while you are ON... that alone could be devastating to your sexual health
your nuts willl shrink on AAS
thats just a fact
they SHOULD return to normal after your cycle is over but
they WILL shrink
thats part of taking AAS
your natural hormonal system shuts down while ON
and then (hopefully) turns back on when you go OFF
and even in healthy adults it takes quite awhile for your natural levels to return to acceptable levels, and almost never to the previous levels
and all that is to say you didnt overextend your cycle, use an excessive dosage, and your PCT is spot on...
and the younger you are, the greater the NEGATIVE effects will be, and the lower the positive effect will be, because there is a lower contrast between natural and synthetic
you could ramp up dosages to achieve a greater effect, at the cost of a harder shutdown, and more drawn out recovery (that is to say you DO recover anyways) and the lower your natural levels will end up at after everything is said and done
so go ahead and take pictures of your nuts...
after a couple weeks you will wish you had never decided to mess with AAS at your age...
god forbid any young ladies get the opportunity to see your tiny ball sack while you are ON... that alone could be devastating to your sexual health
In Australia its about $35 aus for a pack of three pre-filled 1ml vials 250mg/ml Test E.
jmorrison
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I am done debating this with you. You have been told the risks and are going to continue anyway. That is about as smart as sticking your head into a microwave. You want me to PROVE to you that it is unhealthy? Why in the hell do I need to PROVE anything to you, you ignorant little shit. There are COUNTLESS sources for you to read on that will explain to you why steroids are a short bus idea for someone under the age of 21. Here is an idea, Fucking research. Go to google and type it in.
Of course this is how you found this site to begin with, and you have chosen to completely disregard the advice given to you by experienced athletes, because it isn't what you want to hear. You are disrespectful to the people that are trying to help, and demand PROOF that what you are doing it retarded.
Ask yourself this. Why in the hell would anyone here try to talk you out of steroids, if they were in the slightest bit a decent idea for you?! What in the world do any of them stand to gain? Do you think that this is an anti-steroid forum? These people are more than happy to help someone who needs it. You DO NOT NEED STEROIDS, in fact THEY ARE A HORRIBLE IDEA.
Here is a nicely summed up reasoning why you shouldn't, although I am sure you will ignore it too. I genuinely hope you listen and avoid messing yourself up.
linked from:
AnandTech - Are You A Teenager Thinking about using Steroids/Prohormones?
Health Risks
When you are under 21, your endocrine system is still developing. This should be obvious as you are still going through the end of puberty, getting acne, etc. During this time peroid, supplementing with extrogenous hormones is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is potential for very serious and long term side effects to occur. I hear all the time some of these people saying that "I've stopped growing, so it's okay". No - it's not okay. There are many other potential side effects besides growth plates. Here is a list of a few.
1) Premature closing of growth plates. This one is the most known about. Even if you think you have stopped growing, there still is a potential for height increase over time. I have known people who are 18+ who have continued to grow in height. Scientists know that growth plates don't fuse completely in some cases until individuals are past 22. Don't be deterred just because you haven't grown taller in awhile.
2) Impotence. Supplementing with hormones while you are still growing can potentially cause PERMANENT impotence and fertility issues in teenagers. When you add testosterone, estrogen and a wealth of other synthetic androgens to your body it can cause problems with your normal testicular growth and function. Remember, some of these effects are more than just temporary.
3) Liver/Kidney Problems. I hear all the time teenagers say "Well my friends used it and they got big and nothing happened to them." Really? How do you know? Have they been to a doctor and had their liver and kidney values checked? I doubt it. Just because a person looks okay on the outside, doesn't mean that they could have a host of problems on the inside. Liver and kidney damage is nothing short of serious. This can occur even in people who are past their teen years.
4) Gyno or "bitch tits". I believe this using androgens in teens can really increase the risk of gyno. Gyno has been known to happen naturally in many teenagers because of already fluxating hormones. When you add more hormones to the mix, you dramatically increase the problems. Remember that once you have gyno, its very hard to get rid of unless you take the proper precautions up front.
5) Hair loss/acne/prostate aggrevation, etc. All of these can be increased and agrevated with external androgen use. Have you ever seen a 20 year old going bald? It's not pretty. Don't think it can't happen to you.
6) Brain function. It is well known that hormones play a role in development of cognative brain function. Adding external hormones when your brain is still developing could be a disaster waiting to happen. How can you now many years down the road there won't be problems?
Psychological Problems
Being a teenager can be difficult as it is. Getting used to your own body image can be hard if you feel you're different than everyone else. Many teenagers turn to bodybuilding to help improve that image, and that can be a very healthy thing. However, when a teenager becomes obsessed or is only after short term goals of getting ripped in 6 weeks then it can be a very serious problem when prohormones/steroids get in the mix.
1) Abuse. There is a high potential for abuse when individuals turn to prohormones/steroids when they aren't mature enough to handle them. Most of these individuals had these substances recommended to them by friends with erroneous data presented to them on how to use them and how they work. I have seen teenagers on this board claim to never come off cycles of Mag-10 and 1AD. There is no reason to abuse your body like that. Never coming off hormones can have even greater risks than using them for the short term, such as halting normal hormone production permantely. If you have a problem and want to discuss it with us, please post it.
Legal Problems
Using steroids and prohormones underage can have very obvious legal implications. Since all prohormones have labels on them indicated that they are not for use for individuals under 18, you take into liability not only yourself and your family, but risk liability on the manufacturer and seller who sold these substances to you. By doing this, you are hurting the community who use these substances responsibly. Take responsibility for yourself and stay away from these. Causing harm to yourself is one thing, but everytime a teenager uses prohormones, the potential for them being banned increases. Here are some other problems
1) Drug testing. If you are a teenager playing sports, using steroids and prohormones can seem like a good idea to increase your performance. How would it look if you suddenly got tested for them? Being tested for prohormones WILL SHOW UP AS STEROIDS. You will have no recourse for this, and could potentially find yourself being investigated by the authorities.
2) Purchasing steroids is already illegal, but purchasing prohormones can have implications as well. As I already said, on all bottles of prohormones there is a label saying "Not for use for individuals under 18". That is not just printed on there as a joke, that is on there for a reason. If you bought these substances underage and then got into trouble or had one of the side effects listed above from taking these, what do you think your parents are going to do? They are probably going to sue the manufacturer, sue the seller, and possibly contact their congressmen demanding these substances be banned. You just screwed everyone because you were in a hurry to get some quick muscle. Take into consideration the rest of us before you make your irresponsible purchases.
Please read this over and think about what your goals are a long time before you decide to take your health into jeopardy and risk legal repercussions by using prohormones and steroids as a teenager. You not only endanger yourself, but all of us who want to or may want to use prohormones one day. We all want to have good gains and have pefect bodies, thats why we're here. But rushing into things and abusing susbstances is not the answer. There is absolutely no justification for teenagers to use prohormones or steroids. None. So, before you decide to use them - please take some time out, and make a post describing your training, diet and supplemenation. I know that me and the other members of the board would be more than happy to help you make some changes to your diet and training to help gain naturally, without the use of androgens. Doing this, you will save us all a a lot of grief.
Of course this is how you found this site to begin with, and you have chosen to completely disregard the advice given to you by experienced athletes, because it isn't what you want to hear. You are disrespectful to the people that are trying to help, and demand PROOF that what you are doing it retarded.
Ask yourself this. Why in the hell would anyone here try to talk you out of steroids, if they were in the slightest bit a decent idea for you?! What in the world do any of them stand to gain? Do you think that this is an anti-steroid forum? These people are more than happy to help someone who needs it. You DO NOT NEED STEROIDS, in fact THEY ARE A HORRIBLE IDEA.
Here is a nicely summed up reasoning why you shouldn't, although I am sure you will ignore it too. I genuinely hope you listen and avoid messing yourself up.
linked from:
AnandTech - Are You A Teenager Thinking about using Steroids/Prohormones?
Health Risks
When you are under 21, your endocrine system is still developing. This should be obvious as you are still going through the end of puberty, getting acne, etc. During this time peroid, supplementing with extrogenous hormones is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is potential for very serious and long term side effects to occur. I hear all the time some of these people saying that "I've stopped growing, so it's okay". No - it's not okay. There are many other potential side effects besides growth plates. Here is a list of a few.
1) Premature closing of growth plates. This one is the most known about. Even if you think you have stopped growing, there still is a potential for height increase over time. I have known people who are 18+ who have continued to grow in height. Scientists know that growth plates don't fuse completely in some cases until individuals are past 22. Don't be deterred just because you haven't grown taller in awhile.
2) Impotence. Supplementing with hormones while you are still growing can potentially cause PERMANENT impotence and fertility issues in teenagers. When you add testosterone, estrogen and a wealth of other synthetic androgens to your body it can cause problems with your normal testicular growth and function. Remember, some of these effects are more than just temporary.
3) Liver/Kidney Problems. I hear all the time teenagers say "Well my friends used it and they got big and nothing happened to them." Really? How do you know? Have they been to a doctor and had their liver and kidney values checked? I doubt it. Just because a person looks okay on the outside, doesn't mean that they could have a host of problems on the inside. Liver and kidney damage is nothing short of serious. This can occur even in people who are past their teen years.
4) Gyno or "bitch tits". I believe this using androgens in teens can really increase the risk of gyno. Gyno has been known to happen naturally in many teenagers because of already fluxating hormones. When you add more hormones to the mix, you dramatically increase the problems. Remember that once you have gyno, its very hard to get rid of unless you take the proper precautions up front.
5) Hair loss/acne/prostate aggrevation, etc. All of these can be increased and agrevated with external androgen use. Have you ever seen a 20 year old going bald? It's not pretty. Don't think it can't happen to you.
6) Brain function. It is well known that hormones play a role in development of cognative brain function. Adding external hormones when your brain is still developing could be a disaster waiting to happen. How can you now many years down the road there won't be problems?
Psychological Problems
Being a teenager can be difficult as it is. Getting used to your own body image can be hard if you feel you're different than everyone else. Many teenagers turn to bodybuilding to help improve that image, and that can be a very healthy thing. However, when a teenager becomes obsessed or is only after short term goals of getting ripped in 6 weeks then it can be a very serious problem when prohormones/steroids get in the mix.
1) Abuse. There is a high potential for abuse when individuals turn to prohormones/steroids when they aren't mature enough to handle them. Most of these individuals had these substances recommended to them by friends with erroneous data presented to them on how to use them and how they work. I have seen teenagers on this board claim to never come off cycles of Mag-10 and 1AD. There is no reason to abuse your body like that. Never coming off hormones can have even greater risks than using them for the short term, such as halting normal hormone production permantely. If you have a problem and want to discuss it with us, please post it.
Legal Problems
Using steroids and prohormones underage can have very obvious legal implications. Since all prohormones have labels on them indicated that they are not for use for individuals under 18, you take into liability not only yourself and your family, but risk liability on the manufacturer and seller who sold these substances to you. By doing this, you are hurting the community who use these substances responsibly. Take responsibility for yourself and stay away from these. Causing harm to yourself is one thing, but everytime a teenager uses prohormones, the potential for them being banned increases. Here are some other problems
1) Drug testing. If you are a teenager playing sports, using steroids and prohormones can seem like a good idea to increase your performance. How would it look if you suddenly got tested for them? Being tested for prohormones WILL SHOW UP AS STEROIDS. You will have no recourse for this, and could potentially find yourself being investigated by the authorities.
2) Purchasing steroids is already illegal, but purchasing prohormones can have implications as well. As I already said, on all bottles of prohormones there is a label saying "Not for use for individuals under 18". That is not just printed on there as a joke, that is on there for a reason. If you bought these substances underage and then got into trouble or had one of the side effects listed above from taking these, what do you think your parents are going to do? They are probably going to sue the manufacturer, sue the seller, and possibly contact their congressmen demanding these substances be banned. You just screwed everyone because you were in a hurry to get some quick muscle. Take into consideration the rest of us before you make your irresponsible purchases.
Please read this over and think about what your goals are a long time before you decide to take your health into jeopardy and risk legal repercussions by using prohormones and steroids as a teenager. You not only endanger yourself, but all of us who want to or may want to use prohormones one day. We all want to have good gains and have pefect bodies, thats why we're here. But rushing into things and abusing susbstances is not the answer. There is absolutely no justification for teenagers to use prohormones or steroids. None. So, before you decide to use them - please take some time out, and make a post describing your training, diet and supplemenation. I know that me and the other members of the board would be more than happy to help you make some changes to your diet and training to help gain naturally, without the use of androgens. Doing this, you will save us all a a lot of grief.
sus250maybe
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Lol ben dur btw, i dont really care for shrinked nuts, as long as the cock doesnt shrink.
Jmorrison: Listen I definitly understand what your saying. none of you people get shit from giving me the right or wrong advice and i realize that. But what you dont realize is that your basing this on what was put in your heads. HAve you honestly seen a 16 year old take steroids? and seen what has happened to him? Probably not. And then what are the chances that he'd be the same as me. IN a sense this is an experiment and we all have our educated guesses but nobody really has the hardcore truth. believe it or not, im pretty fucking sure that everyone who has told me not to take roids is probably right and I probably will fuck my life up. But my mind is so strongly made up that i am ready for permanently shrunk testicles, i am ready for bitch tits, i am reading for gyno problems, IF it comes down to it. Once again dont take this wrong way, i honestly appreciate all your time invested into this forum but then again even if i wanted to i cant go back. Ive reread these posts over and over, and at this point the only right thing seems to be AAS. And as far as plate growth goes they measure bone age....when i got my bone age measured when i was 13 and a 1 month it was about 13 and 6 months. When i get it measured at 15 1/2 it was about 19 years old. When i got it measured at 17 i was past 21. So as far as that goes Chronologically i might be 18(19 in one week) But my bone age says something else.
Jmorrison: Listen I definitly understand what your saying. none of you people get shit from giving me the right or wrong advice and i realize that. But what you dont realize is that your basing this on what was put in your heads. HAve you honestly seen a 16 year old take steroids? and seen what has happened to him? Probably not. And then what are the chances that he'd be the same as me. IN a sense this is an experiment and we all have our educated guesses but nobody really has the hardcore truth. believe it or not, im pretty fucking sure that everyone who has told me not to take roids is probably right and I probably will fuck my life up. But my mind is so strongly made up that i am ready for permanently shrunk testicles, i am ready for bitch tits, i am reading for gyno problems, IF it comes down to it. Once again dont take this wrong way, i honestly appreciate all your time invested into this forum but then again even if i wanted to i cant go back. Ive reread these posts over and over, and at this point the only right thing seems to be AAS. And as far as plate growth goes they measure bone age....when i got my bone age measured when i was 13 and a 1 month it was about 13 and 6 months. When i get it measured at 15 1/2 it was about 19 years old. When i got it measured at 17 i was past 21. So as far as that goes Chronologically i might be 18(19 in one week) But my bone age says something else.
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oh and as far as sexual health goes, im fine. no one lady could devastate me by telling me my balls are too small. There aren't enough ladies in the world. Call it arrogance, call it self confidence, call it self esteem but i couldnt care less. at The end of the day as long as they go back to being somewhat normal. Im a happy man.
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