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How Abrahamic God favors Evil

The god of the bible commanded his people to murder innocent women and children...He ordered them to rip the unborn children from their mothers wombs, and he let his people rape young virgins as spoils of war...Yet believers will tell you their god is a benevolent loving god...lol
 
Plus he sent his only son down to be betrayed, tortured and murdered. Abrahamic God = sadist.
 
Lucifer...

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The god of the bible supposedly creates man and gives man free will, then punishes man for using free will...lol
 
Sounds like the "Devil's Advocate" movie
 
lol total hyperboles...if there is a benevolent being somewhere watching over us. I think that guy/gal would rather me have an opened mind and advocate natural religion based on human morality and reason, rather than devine revelation and well, just being a blind follower!
 
"If the Abrahamic God is real, then He cares more about the rapist's freedom to rape, and the murderer's freedom to murder, than He cares about the lives of their victims."

I'm pretty sure he's not a libtard. :shrug:
 
[h=2]THE POSSIBILITY OF EVIL[/h]For free choice to operate, it?s obvious that evil has to have the possibility of existing. If every time someone chooses to do evil, God is going to interfere, then there?s no moral choice. If every time the gun is pointed, the turret points backwards, after a few times you get the message. If you eat pork and get struck by lightning, then you?re not ?morally choosing,? you just see it doesn?t work. It simply becomes pragmatic not to do evil.

If the lives of the righteous were obviously perfect, that too would destroy the possibility of choice. Pragmatically, we?d figure it pays more to be righteous because look at the millions of bucks that come my way! That?s not choice. That?s not becoming God-like.
A world where a human being can create himself into a Moses, also carries the possibility of a person creating himself into a Hitler.
Sometimes God does make a miracle, but it is always in a way that is not obvious, that enables us to retain free choice
 
There once was a farmer who owned a horse. And one day the horse ran away. All the people in the town came to console him because of the loss. ?Oh, I don?t know,? said the farmer, ?maybe it?s a bad thing and maybe it?s not.?A few days later, the horse returned to the farm accompanied by 20 other horses. (Apparently he had found some wild horses and made friends!) All the townspeople came to congratulate him: ?Now you have a stable full of horses!? ?Oh, I don?t know,? said the farmer, ?maybe it?s a good thing and maybe it?s not.?
A few days later, the farmer?s son was out riding one of the new horses. The horse got wild and threw him off, breaking the son?s leg. So all the people in town came to console the farmer because of the accident. ?Oh, I don?t know,? said the farmer, ?maybe it?s a bad thing and maybe it?s not.?
A few days later, the government declared war and instituted a draft of all able-bodied young men. They came to the town and carted off hundreds of young men, except for the farmer?s son who had a broken leg. ?Now I know,? said the farmer, ?that it was a good thing my horse ran away.?
The point of this story is obvious. Life is a series of events, and until we?ve reached the end of the series, it?s hard to know exactly why things are happening.

That it is very difficult for us to ?judge? God because we are stuck in time and space. And because our view is so limited, we are therefore limited in terms of knowing which ground rules God is employing. When ?bad? things happen, there are so many possibilities of why it?s happening. ?Is this a challenge in life that was given to me so I could become an example to inspire others? Or is this to get me to fix a wrong I?ve done? Or is this due to historical/national forces that are affecting me as an individual? Or is what?s happening to me now through a choice that I?ve made? Or that I?m on my own because I?ve distanced myself??The fact that there are so many possibilities makes it easier to come to terms with the question, to be more comfortable realizing that if I had God?s infinite view I would understand.
In Exodus 33:13, Moses asks God, ?Make Your ways known to me.? The commentators explain that there are ?50 Gates of Wisdom,? and Moses had reached the 49th Gate. This means that only one aspect of existence was still unknown to him. And which was that? The issue of ?why bad things happen to good people.? So what was God?s answer? ?I?m sorry, but this is the one thing that no human can ever comprehend.? (see Exodus 33:20)
 
I asked for strength and
God gave me difficulties to make me strong.

I asked for wisdom and
God gave me problems to solve.

I asked for prosperity and
God gave me brawn and brain to work.

I asked for courage and
God gave me dangers to overcome.

I asked for love and
God gave me troubled people to help?

My prayers were answered.
 
[h=3]Ecclesiastes 7:20[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
Jagbender you said in your post that god answered your prayers...The free will theory contradicts the god answering prayers theory, and disproves the power of prayer actually...Example - A Christian prays to god to protect his family...Well if all mankind has free will then any nut walking down the street can impose any cruel act upon your family and loved ones...God will allow that nut to do whatever he wants to your spouse or children or loved ones because he gave that nut free will, and god will not be able to answer your prayer...Free will cancels out your prayers and makes them useless...This is just one example of how religion contradicts itself constantly in its beliefs.
 
Why do bad things happen to good people?...Well according to the bible the Hebrew god created all things...The bible even says god creates evil...So if this sky daddy exists he is the reason bad things happen to good people...Not only that but he has been killing his own children over and over throughout history...Hardly the actions of a benevolent loving god...The Hebrew god of the bible is a monster.
 
God does answer prayers on His terms not mine. And He also does not answer ALL prayers.

How does free will cancel out prayer? Just because something "bad happens" does not mean that prayer is invalid.



I have a different perspective as a believer.
 
Following are twelve passages of Scripture in which the Lord tells us that He wants us to pray to Him and that He wants to answer our prayers:

  • "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Matthew 7:7)
    "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 18:19)
    "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." (Matthew 21:22)
    "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." (Mark 11:24)
    "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13)
    "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14:13-14)
    "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you." (John 16:23)
    "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." (Romans 10:12)
    "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." (Ephesians 2:18)
    "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:16)
    "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus. . (Hebrews 10:19)
    "And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him." (1 John 5:14-15)
    These passages from God's word tell us there can be no question that God wants us to pray and that He promises to answer our prayers.
    However, does this mean that God will answer our every prayer and that He is at our beckon and call to answer our requests? I think a lot of people have that idea and never consider that God has placed very specific restrictions or limits on how He answers us. If you preach one without the other you will mislead people. Lots of people wonder why their prayers are not answered and they think God does not hear them. Some even wonder if God is real. The problem with unanswered prayer does not lie with God but with us. Let's look at what God has to say about this.
II. GOD ALSO INSTRUCTS US THERE ARE CONDITIONS ON HIM ANSWERING OUR PRAYERS.

  • A. God's promise is not a blanket promise to give us our every whim because He will not honor or reward unfaithfulness.
    B. There are prohibitions or conditions on having our prayers answered.
    First a person must be a child of God. God only hears one prayer from a lost man and that is the prayer of faith when an unsaved person asks for forgiveness and receives Christ as their Savior. God does not answer the prayers of those that reject Him as they Lord and Savior.
    • "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth" (John 9:31).
      • 1. We cannot come to God without belief or faith in God.

        • During Jesus' ministry they brought to him a child that had a evil spirit. Jesus ask the boy's father, "If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth" (Mark 9:23).
          In Hebrews 11, which is called the Bible's Hall of Faith, the Lord says, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Hebrews 11:6).
          We must come to the Lord with unwavering faith in Him.
          "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord" (James 1:5-7)
        2. Must come in Jesus's name.
        • "And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." (John 14:13) The person who does not accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, is not believing, or having saving trust in God's promise of salvation and forgiveness for sin.
          This does not mean that using the name of Jesus gives us some magical power. Jesus in Matthew 6:9, instructs us to address our prayers to God the Father. Therefore it is not the saying of the name of Jesus or addressing our prayer to Him that is the point here, but praying as a believer in Jesus Christ. It means that we come to God redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, not in our own name or in our own power or strength, but come in faith in the spirit of dependence on Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.
        3. We cannot expect the Lord to answer prayer if we have unconfessed sin in our lives.
        • "If I regard iniquity in my heart, The Lord will not hear" (Psalms 66:18)
          "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2)
        READ PROVERBS 1:23-33
        4. Cannot expect the Lord to answer prayer when we are not living for the Lord.
        • "One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination" (Proverbs 28:9) These are very strong words and make the point that we do not come to God in disobedience. The prayers of the disobedient are an abomination to God.
          "And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight". (1 John 3:22) If we obey God then He will answer our prayers.
          What are some clear commandments of God that we are to obey?
          Prayer, Bible study, witnessing, Christian leadership in the Home, teaching children, being an example, being faithful in attending church, tithing, confessing sin, and putting Christ first in your life.
          All these are clear commandments. One who is not faithful in these things are being disobedient and they will not be blessed of God.
        5. Cannot expect God to answer prayer if we are not doing His will.
        This involves more than just keeping the written commandments of the Lord. It involves doing what God wants us to do in our lives.
        • "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him." (John 9:31)
        This involves living a godly life and following God leadership. It is God's expressed will for us to be reading and studying His word as 2 Tim. 2:15-18 days.
        • "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some"
        God's will for us is to be studying His word and to be doctrinally sound in our beliefs. A church or individual who believes and practices false doctrine is out of God's will and their prayers will not be answered.
        Hebrews 10:25 tells us God's will is for us to attend church.
        • God tell us: "Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching" (Heb. 10:22-25). Lots of people take comfort in the fact that Christians are not under the Law and we do not have to keep the Sabbath. But before the Law God set a principle in place that one day of the week was set aside to worship Him and for rest. Israel paid a high price for ignoring God's Law concerning worshiping Him. Believers will too.
        Clearly God's will is for His child to be faithful to the house of God. The context is in uplifting each other in the Lord. There is nothing more discouraging than the church member who is unfaithful in their attendance. Everyone knows we all should worship the Lord on Sunday, and it hurts us to see our brothers and sisters in Christ disobeying God. You cannot be an encouragement to others when you are not faithful yourself. You want to kill a church, hinder or stop the work of God, keep souls from being saved, then just stop attending church.
        • Colossians 1:18, tells us that ". . .he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
          It is God's will that the Lord Jesus Christ be first in our lives before all else. Folks putting Christ first is the best thing we can do. That means before our pleasures whatever they might be.
        For some it might be some special service. Is God leading you in a particular thing, to do? Has God given you the privilege to do some job at church and are you faith in it. Are we willingly doing it?
        6. God does not answer the prayers of those who are not at peace with each other. We need to be a peace with one another to have our prayers answered.
        • "Likewise you husbands, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered" (1 Peter 3:7)
        Family problems can surely cause our prayers not to be answered. Arguing, bickering, fighting in the home will destroy it. It will rob a home of peace and joy. It will destroy the peace and security of the marriage. I have seen so many families destroyed and children lives messed up because the husband and wife would not get along. Notice I did not say it was because the husband and wife could not get along....the true is they can and it is sinful not too. The wonderful thing is, that in Christ Jesus marriage problems can be overcome....that is if the husband and wife want to.
        Do you realize the prayers that fathers and mothers for their children are not answered when they do not dwell in peace and honor one another. The husband might say, "Well, my wife is the problem she is always fighting with me. Or the wife might say, "Its my husband's fault." Well, we do not have to fight back, and rarely is there not blame on both sides. The cure is to turn the matter over to the Lord, confessing first one's sins and then making the commitment to live for the Lord. If one partner does this....it will surely end at least half the problem and will make the way for reconciliation.
        • "Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven." (Matthew 18:19)
        The principle is one of harmony. Model prayer "For give us our debts as we forgive our debtors" (Matt. 6:12).
        Harmony in the church family, each doing their share, plus helping others, seeking one another's well being. God will honor that.
      7. We need to come boldly.
      • "Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need" (Hebrews 4:16).
        8. We must be persistent in our prayers.
        In the parallel account of the Lord teaching the Model prayer in the Gospel of Luke, Jesus followed it with a parable:
        • "And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves; For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him? And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee. I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth. And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" (Luke 11:5-9).
        Clearly the Lord is teaching us that we should be persistent in our prayers. There have been things that Christians have prayed for, for years and God in His time answered. It is not that God does not want to answer and that He wants to withhold the answer to our prayers, but God knows the time when it is best. Our persistent shows our faith in God and His promise to answer prayer. I like what Barnes says in his commentary on this passage:
        • "This is to be applied to God in no other sense than that he often hears prayers and grants blessings even long after they appear to be unanswered or withheld. He leaves them to persevere for months or years, until they feel entirely their dependence on him, until they see that they can obtain the blessing in no other way, and until they are prepared to receive it. Often they are not prepared to receive it when they ask it at first. They may be proud, or have no just sense of their dependence, or they would not value the blessing, or it may at that time not be best for them to obtain it. But let no one despair. If the thing is for our good, and if it is proper that it should be granted, God will give it. Let us first ask aright; let us see that our minds are in a proper state; let us feel our need of the blessing; let us inquire whether God has promised such a blessing, and then let us persevere until God gives it. (Barnes Commentary of Luke)
      CONCLUSION:
      • 1. Isaiah speaking to disobedient Israel gave them the promise of God.
        "It shall come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear" (Isaiah 65:24)
        2. The promise of God.
        "If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land" (2 Chronicles 7:14)
        Do you believe that? What ever the past....the future is clean. We can decide this very morning to live as God would have us too that we might have God's blessings on all we do. If there is sin and unfaithfulness in your life, now is the time to confess it to the Lord and have Him cleanse you from it. God is the God of new beginnings. Thank the Lord He loves us so much he does not scold and promises to give his help to us liberally....if we ask in faith.
 
God does answer prayers on His terms not mine. And He also does not answer ALL prayers.

How does free will cancel out prayer? Just because something "bad happens" does not mean that prayer is invalid.



I have a different perspective as a believer.
The bible clearly states that god answers all prayers but this is easily proven to be a another bible lie...Again if your god only answers prayer on his terms and its all about his will then that also cancels out your free will...If its all about gods will mankind has no will of their own...Asking god to protect you or your family is invalid if any other person has the free will to kill them...How does your god answer your prayer and protect you or your family if he gave all man free will to do whatever they want to your family?
 
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I also dont understand why believers use bible verses to try and validate anything?...The bible has been proven wrong on many topics by science, its also filled with hundreds of contradictions, lies, errors, failed prophecy, and the book condones murder, rape, polygamy, slavery, abortion, and so much more.
 
I also dont understand why believers use bible verses to try and validate anything?...The bible has been proven wrong on many topics by science, its also filled with hundreds of contradictions, lies, errors, failed prophecy, and the book condones murder, rape, polygamy, slavery, abortion, and so much more.

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Why do bad things happen to good people?...Well according to the bible the Hebrew god created all things...The bible even says god creates evil...So if this sky daddy exists he is the reason bad things happen to good people...Not only that but he has been killing his own children over and over throughout history...Hardly the actions of a benevolent loving god...The Hebrew god of the bible is a monster.


Booby, do you have children? do you love them?


If so do you ever punish them?

If you punish them does that mean you do not love them?
 
It seems people often forget the bible was written by man, not GOD. And if man has a hand in it then it surely has at worst a corrupt agenda, at best some sort of manipulation behind it, it's that simple.
 
I also dont understand why believers use bible verses to try and validate anything?...The bible has been proven wrong on many topics by science, its also filled with hundreds of contradictions, lies, errors, failed prophecy, and the book condones murder, rape, polygamy, slavery, abortion, and so much more.


Because As a believer, the Bible is the inspired word of God. it has been preserved for us for thousands of years.
How many proofs of fufilled prophacy to you need?
Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter?no errors.

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP][SUB]5[/SUB][/SUP].)*

(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]5[/SUP].)

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave?thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used?just as predicted?for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]11[/SUP].)

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]13[/SUP].)

(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]15[/SUP].)

(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]9[/SUP].)

(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]18[/SUP].)

(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment?in our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1[SUP]20[/SUP].)

(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]5[/SUP].)

(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]7[/SUP]).

(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously?and accurately, according to the eye-witness account?by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]9[/SUP]).

(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]8[/SUP]).

(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10[SUP]13[/SUP]).

Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10[SUP]138[/SUP] (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)?that chance = 1 in 10[SUP]80[/SUP]. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:

  • Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.
  • Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
  • Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 10[SUP]5[/SUP].
 
I also dont understand why believers use bible verses to try and validate anything?...The bible has been proven wrong on many topics by science, its also filled with hundreds of contradictions, lies, errors, failed prophecy, and the book condones murder, rape, polygamy, slavery, abortion, and so much more.

Can you show me some evidence of these
its also filled with hundreds of contradictions, lies, errors, failed prophecy, and the book condones murder, rape, polygamy, slavery, abortion, and so much more.[/
 
Since you believe in your holy bible here are some things you should read. Especially since you say its GODS words.

The Lost Books Of The Bible.

Now ask yourself why. WHY did these particular writings didnt make it, or better why were they removed. If its GOD inspired WHY isnt it in the so called holy scripture.

Further more why dont you read this. It was written way way way before the bible.

Epic of Gilgamesh

In fact you might also want to read into Hindu, Egyptian, Celtic, and any number of Pagan or Savage belief systems. You might come to find out, that which you believe inspired, is actually plagiarized.
 
Who is to say that "God" is not a superior or Alien being? many parts of the bible do refer to "interesting" occurances
Exekiel saw big wheels in the sky (ufo's)
Christ's second coming with a loud noise bright light in the sky (atomic war)
All nations agains Isreal. Happening now
Looking at the Bible for information about the future (prophesy)
Are we (earthlings) an experiment?
many unanswered questions.

What is the meaning of life?

Definatley interesting.

Where are the Flying Spaghetti Monster guys??
 
Since you believe in your holy bible here are some things you should read. Especially since you say its GODS words.

The Lost Books Of The Bible.

Now ask yourself why. WHY did these particular writings didnt make it, or better why were they removed. If its GOD inspired WHY isnt it in the so called holy scripture.

Further more why dont you read this. It was written way way way before the bible.

Epic of Gilgamesh

In fact you might also want to read into Hindu, Egyptian, Celtic, and any number of Pagan or Savage belief systems. You might come to find out, that which you believe inspired, is actually plagiarized.


Almost all religons have a flood story.
 
You know what. here is the deal. I believe in God. I will not ram my faith down your throat. You don't ram your atheist, humanism crap down mine. Deal?
 
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