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How Abrahamic God favors Evil

Really? Is that why, for example, there's a school in Seattle that forced the renaming of an Easter Egg Hunt to a Summer Sphere Hunt.

Lack belief? Bullshit. Atheists believe their right about religion being 100% bad, and will force it down your throat if you think otherwise. I mean, it's not like they make groups with agendas, or anything.

None of that is inherent to the atheistic philosophy. You could argue that since the way most people are wired that regardless of their root beliefs they tend to force them upon others... or something like that but it's really a different argument than claiming atheism entails a certain behavior; for example-> "believe they're right about religion being 100% bad, and will force it down your throat if you think otherwise...".
 
None of that is inherent to the atheistic philosophy. You could argue that since the way most people are wired that regardless of their root beliefs they tend to force them upon others... or something like that but it's really a different argument than claiming atheism entails a certain behavior; for example-> "believe they're right about religion being 100% bad, and will force it down your throat if you think otherwise...".

Oh, so when atheists do it, it makes sense to you, but when religious people do it, you get update? This is the hypocrisy I was talking about.
 
Oh, so when atheists do it, it makes sense to you, but when religious people do it, you get update? This is the hypocrisy I was talking about.

DOMS is turning into the hypocrisy regenerator, where you say something then he claims you said something totally unrelated and calls you a hypocrite.

This is fun, do this one: "I think Mary likes dolphins a little too much, I was installing an update on her computer and found what I thought was dolphin porn"
 
DOMS is turning into the hypocrisy regenerator, where you say something then he claims you said something totally unrelated and calls you a hypocrite.

This is fun, do this one: "I think Mary likes dolphins a little too much, I was installing an update on her computer and found what I thought was dolphin porn"

Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not a fact. Which is why I describe you as a blind, raging, hypocrite. Because it's what you are. :shrug:
 
Ive seen the power of prayer, and firmly believe in God! Fair and just, since the beginning of time we have always tried to find explanation in everything. If we look its always been as a way of pointing fingers at someone else. If things go wrong we blame God, if things go great we say it was because of our hard work and doing. We are born with free will and some decide to do good while other decide to do bad, were on the same planet and thus each others choice will affect one another wheter it be good or bad.God is not a liar nor will his words pass. Because God didnt want to make us robots to just follow orders, he put free will in us. Thus as society progress so will people push the envelope of right and wrong, now a days anything goes kinda attitude, has society and civilization as a whole truely progressed with all this free thinking and reasoning to find explanation for everything I ask? The Bible has been attacked since its existence yet its still here, and will be here till its words are fulfilled. Have we gotten smarter in the sense of stopping disease and world peace, has dening the existence of God and turning away from him gotten us any closer to a better planet or better society as a whole?? I will tell you this now and mark my words, society as a whole will continue to degrade and get worse, because as each generation passes we get more and more away from God. I know many of you curse God and have some much hatred towards him, but yet he still holds his arms open to each and everyone of you with love. I hope that many of you may have a good experience that will open your eyes and see how Gods love is infinite. Im a sinner and dont deny it, but ive seen things that I honestly cant deny that theres a God. I hope you all the best and many blessings, and may God protect you all. I mean no disrespect to anyone, when I say God Bless You!!!
 
I comend you Jag on not coming in here and sending everyone to Hell, but instead on sharing why you believe in God in a non-insulting way with knowledge and understanding. I love sharing my beliefs with others as civilized adults with respect and open minded. In the end they are not saying no to me, but to the One I believe in. We all have the free will to believe in what we want, we will find out in the end if theres a GOD for sure. Thank you all for sharing your views, It has given me a lot more insight on my faith, and why I believe in God.
 
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not a fact. Which is why I describe you as a blind, raging, hypocrite. Because it's what you are. :shrug:

You're question didn't even make sense. You're the only one raging here.
 
When something good happens it was an act of god, when something bad happens its the devils fault...When someones prayer happens to come true it was a devine intervention from god, when it doesnt come true it wasnt gods will...Believers have all the bases covered with their flawed reasoning..........................And to say non believers are hypocrits is just plain silly when you look at the lives of most christians...Christians commit abortions more then any other religious group in America...The prison system is filled with christians...Christians have killed millions of innocent women and children all in the name of christianity...I have yet to see any Athiests or non believers committing mass murders because of their non belief...Non believers are not preaching any belief system, they are simply questioning the teachings of religion, so the burden of proof is not on the non believer...And no religion can offer any logical answers for their claims backed with any kind of evidence...Its all belief and nothing more.
 
And i keep reading this free will theory over and over...What free will?...God created man with the sole purpose to worship god like robots, that was the whole reason he supposedly made man...lol...If mankind has free will then why is it always about gods will?...This is not logical thinking, it contradicts itself as badly as the bible does.
 
I comend you Jag on not coming in here and sending everyone to Hell, but instead on sharing why you believe in God in a non-insulting way with knowledge and understanding. I love sharing my beliefs with others as civilized adults with respect and open minded. In the end they are not saying no to me, but to the One I believe in. We all have the free will to believe in what we want, we will find out in the end if theres a GOD for sure. Thank you all for sharing your views, It has given me a lot more insight on my faith, and why I believe in God.

God is available to those who seek him. I cannot talk anyone into believing in God. I was an Athiest. I am now a believer. No one on earth can change my mind.

God is Light and evil is Darkness, It only takes one match to light up a dark room.

Satan rules this world for a time.


Getbig2 hits the nail on the head here
Thus as society progress so will people push the envelope of right and wrong, now a days anything goes kinda attitude, has society and civilization as a whole truely progressed with all this free thinking and reasoning to find explanation for everything I ask? The Bible has been attacked since its existence yet its still here, and will be here till its words are fulfilled. Have we gotten smarter in the sense of stopping disease and world peace, has dening the existence of God and turning away from him gotten us any closer to a better planet or better society as a whole?? I will tell you this now and mark my words, society as a whole will continue to degrade and get worse, because as each generation passes we get more and more away from God


The farther away Society gets from the word of God the worse off the planet becomes.
 
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And i keep reading this free will theory over and over...What free will?...God created man with the sole purpose to worship god like robots, that was the whole reason he supposedly made man...lol...If mankind has free will then why is it always about gods will?...This is not logical thinking, it contradicts itself as badly as the bible does.

Take 3 minutes and watch this, it may help you understand
Evil, Pain, Suffering = NO GOD? a C.S. Lewis response - YouTube
 
Interesting video.
 
That video also makes no logical sense...If god never created evil in the first place no man would be able to commit evil...Why would god create evil, when it just sabotages his original plan?...Evil only exists because the god of the bible supposedly created all things including evil...The bible even says this...This religion only makes sense to people who are brainwashed into believing it...Any person who uses their critical thinking skills can see through all the man made dogma and its illogical inconsistencies...I respect everyones right to believe as they wish but that doesnt give you the right to try and pass off this nonsense religion as truth, there is to much evidence to disprove any religion as truth.
 
That video also makes no logical sense...If god never created evil in the first place no man would be able to commit evil...Why would god create evil, when it just sabotages his original plan?...Evil only exists because the god of the bible supposedly created all things including evil...The bible even says this...

If you're talking about that verse in Isiah it probably doesn't mean what you think it means. You have to be careful about using the word evil and what translation you're looking at. It doesn't make sense to talk about evil as an invisible substance pervading the universe, causing famine, disease, natural disasters, in the context of moral discussions. In moral discussions it would be more appropriate to use the definition of evil as disobedience of god's commands; in which case he didn't "create" it.
 
Ask my enemies what evil i can commit
Ask my friends what love i can give
Ask my family what i would not give
 
That video also makes no logical sense...If god never created evil in the first place no man would be able to commit evil...Why would god create evil, when it just sabotages his original plan?...Evil only exists because the god of the bible supposedly created all things including evil...The bible even says this...This religion only makes sense to people who are brainwashed into believing it...Any person who uses their critical thinking skills can see through all the man made dogma and its illogical inconsistencies...I respect everyones right to believe as they wish but that doesnt give you the right to try and pass off this nonsense religion as truth, there is to much evidence to disprove any religion as truth.

what would theWolrd be like if there was no evil? would life be a total bore? no choices? it does not make sense to me to make a world that has no choices,.

Evil came into this world when Lucifer and 30% of the angels decided to leave God because Lucifer thought he could be better than God. According to the bible Sin entered into the world when the Serpeant (lucifer) tempted Eve with the apple and the tree of knowledge.

The Bible is full of great life lessons and a way of life that is good. I focus on the good and try to understand what I can, realizing that I cannot understand everything in the Bible.

America was founded on Biblical principles. the Constitution was written based on Biblical principles. taking a look at America now, the farther away America moves away from Biblical principles the worse it gets.
 
It's the loonies on both sides that give both sides a bad name. The problem is people can't leave each other alone.
 
Some people do good things in the name of god. Some others do bad things in the name of god. So I think it all depends of how one interpret messages of god. I don't know.
 
If you're talking about that verse in Isiah it probably doesn't mean what you think it means. You have to be careful about using the word evil and what translation you're looking at. It doesn't make sense to talk about evil as an invisible substance pervading the universe, causing famine, disease, natural disasters, in the context of moral discussions. In moral discussions it would be more appropriate to use the definition of evil as disobedience of god's commands; in which case he didn't "create" it.
How does a being created by a god have the ability to do evil?...We cant create something out of nothing, it had to be imbeded into our dna or minds some how...Christians will tell you that mankind has no morals of their own...The christian worldview is that mankind can only know good morals by following gods moral standards...Which is rediculous when you consider the biblical god murdered innocent unborn infants and children.
 
what would theWolrd be like if there was no evil? would life be a total bore? no choices? it does not make sense to me to make a world that has no choices,.

Evil came into this world when Lucifer and 30% of the angels decided to leave God because Lucifer thought he could be better than God. According to the bible Sin entered into the world when the Serpeant (lucifer) tempted Eve with the apple and the tree of knowledge.

The Bible is full of great life lessons and a way of life that is good. I focus on the good and try to understand what I can, realizing that I cannot understand everything in the Bible.

America was founded on Biblical principles. the Constitution was written based on Biblical principles. taking a look at America now, the farther away America moves away from Biblical principles the worse it gets.
I dont belive in the hebrew diety so ofcourse i dont believe in a devil, but ill play for a minute...Lets say this lucifer guy is real what has he done thats so bad?...He hasnt done anything close to what the hebrew god has done as far as mudering innocent babies...Has this lucifer guy ever even killed anyone in the bible?...What if lucifer turned against the hebrew god for good reasons?.......................Also the constitution was absolutely not based on bible principals...The founding fathers were agnostics, athiests, and free thinkers...In fact no where in the constitution will you even find the words god or bible.
 
It is a common argument from Christians that this country was founded on Christian beliefs, and that our Founding Fathers were Christians. It is unfortunate that those who make this argument haven't researched their argument. History is clear and many quotes have been documented that clearly state the opposite.
A Deist is a person who believes in Deism, defined by dictionary.com as: n. The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.
It has been clearly documented that many of our founding fathers were deists, which was a common belief system during the time in which they lived. (Especially as it was nearly immediately following the Age of Reason in England.) The Constitution of the United States contains no mention of God whatsoever. In fact, Alexander Hamilton was questioned by some about the omission of God. In an article published in The Nation in February of 2005 titled "Our Godless Constitution," the author, Brooke Allen cites that on one account, Hamilton responded that "the new nation was not in need of "foreign aid."
In the same article it is pointed out in the essay series (eighty-five in number) "The Federalist" mentions God just twice, both times by James Madison, and only in the sense of "only Heaven knows," per Gore Vidal. In the Declaration of Independence, the only mentions of God are: "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God," and the more frequently recited line about men "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights." In both instances, the context agrees with the idea of Deism, not the ideas of Christianity.
Too many people forget about Thomas Paine. Known as "the father of the American Revolution," it as arguable among some as to whether Paine was a Deist or an Atheist. Regardless, Paine wrote such works as "Common Sense," that pamphlet that strongly urged an American independence from England; also the author of "The Crisis," about the American Revolution, "The Rights of Man," and "Age of Reason." Thomas Paine was among the most important of the Founding Fathers, and his "Age of Reason" was very anti-religion and highly controversial.
 
since i was a kid i just always knew i was going to hell if there is such a place, and all you phuckers will be there with me :p

jk lolz

i lost my faith seeing what ive seen in life, if there is a god he is a sadist and i will not worship him, i mean no disrespect to jag, getbig or any believers
 
as i get older i find it more and more mind boggling that such a large number of people,not some bushmen with spears but modern grown ass men with more than few brain cells would believe that some floater created them and rules their lives...
 
This is a question often asked today, and it arises from the efforts of those who seek to impeach Washington's character by portraying him as irreligious. Interestingly, Washington's own contemporaries did not question his Christianity but were thoroughly convinced of his devout faith--a fact made evident in the first-ever compilation of the The Writings of George Washington, published in the 1830s. That compilation of Washington's writings was prepared and published by Jared Sparks (1789-1866), a noted writer and historian. Sparks' Herculean historical productions included not only the writing of George Washington (12 volumes) but also Benjamin Franklin (10 volumes) and Constitution signer Gouverneur Morris (3 volumes). Additionally, Sparks compiled the Library of American Biography (25 volumes), The Diplomatic Correspondence of the American Revolution (12 volumes), and the Correspondence of the American Revolution (4 volumes). In all, Sparks was responsible for some 100 historical volumes. Additionally, Sparks was America's first professor of history--other than ecclesiastical history--to teach at the college level in the United States, and he was later chosen president of Harvard.


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[TD="bgcolor: #ffcc99"]By 1778, George Washington had so often witnessed God's intervention that on August 20, he wrote Thomas Nelson that:
The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations. [1]
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Jared Sparks' decision to compile George Washington's works is described by The Dictionary of American Biography. It details that Sparks began?

?what was destined to be his greatest life work, the publication of the writings of George Washington. ? In January 1827, Sparks found himself alone at Mount Vernon with the manuscripts. An examination of them extending over three months showed that years would be required for the undertaking; and with the owner's consent, Sparks carried off the entire collection, eight large boxes, picking up on the way to Boston a box of diplomatic correspondence from the Department of State, and the [General Horatio] Gates manuscripts from the New York Historical Society. Not content with these, he searched or caused to be searched public and private archives for material, questioned survivors of the Revolution, visited and mapped historic sites. In 1830, for instance, he followed [Benedict] Arnold's [1775] route to Quebec. The first of the twelve volumes of The Writings of George Washington to be published (vol. II) appeared in 1834 and the last (vol. I, containing the biography) in 1837.​
In Volume XII of these writings, Jared Sparks delved into the religious character of George Washington, and included numerous letters written by the friends, associates, and family of Washington which testified of his religious character. Based on that extensive evidence, Sparks concluded:
To say that he [George Washington] was not a Christian would be to impeach his sincerity and honesty. Of all men in the world, Washington was certainly the last whom any one would charge with dissimulation or indirectness [hypocrisies and evasiveness]; and if he was so scrupulous in avoiding even a shadow of these faults in every known act of his life, [regardless of] however unimportant, is it likely, is it credible, that in a matter of the highest and most serious importance [his religious faith, that] he should practice through a long series of years a deliberate deception upon his friends and the public? It is neither credible nor possible.​
One of the letters Sparks used to arrive at his conclusion was from Nelly Custis-Lewis. While Nelly technically was the granddaughter of the Washingtons, in reality she was much more. When Martha [Custis] married George, she was a widow and brought two young children (John and Martha--also called Patsy) from her first marriage into her marriage with George. The two were carefully raised by George and Martha, later married, and each had children of their own. Unfortunately, tragedy struck, and both John and Patsy died early (by 1781). John left behind his widow and four young children ranging in age from infancy to six years old.
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At the time, Washington was still deeply involved in guiding the American Revolution and tried unsuccessfully to convince Martha's brother to raise the children. The young widow of John was unable to raise all four, so George and Martha adopted the two younger children: Nelly Parke Custis and George Washington Parke Custis, both of whom already were living at Mount Vernon.
Nelly lived with the Washingtons for twenty years, from the time of her birth in 1779 until 1799, the year of her marriage and of George Washington's untimely death. She called George and Martha her "beloved parents whom I loved with so much devotion, to whose unceasing tenderness I was indebted for every good I possessed."
Nelly was ten years old when Washington was called to the Presidency, and she grew to maturity during his two terms. During that time, she traveled with Washington and walked amidst the great foreign and domestic names of the day. On Washington's retirement, she returned with the family to Mount Vernon. Nelly was energetic, spry, and lively, and was the joy of George Washington's life. She served as a gracious hostess and entertained the frequent guests to Mount Vernon who visited the former President.
Clearly, Nelly was someone who knew the private and public life of her ?father? very well. Therefore, Jared Sparks, in searching for information on Washington's religious habits, dispatched a letter to Nelly, asking if she knew for sure whether George Washington indeed was a Christian. Within a week, she had replied to Sparks, and Sparks included her letter in Volume XII of Washington's writings in the lengthy section on Washington's religious habits. Of that specific letter, Jared Sparks explained:

I shall here insert a letter on this subject, written to me by a lady who lived twenty years in Washington's family and who was his adopted daughter, and the granddaughter of Mrs. Washington. The testimony it affords, and the hints it contains respecting the domestic habits of Washington, are interesting and valuable.​
Woodlawn, 26 February, 1833 Sir,
I received your favor of the 20th instant last evening, and hasten to give you the information, which you desire.
Truro Parish [Episcopal] is the one in which Mount Vernon, Pohick Church [the church where George Washington served as a vestryman], and Woodlawn [the home of Nelly and Lawrence Lewis] are situated. Fairfax Parish is now Alexandria. Before the Federal District was ceded to Congress, Alexandria was in Fairfax County. General Washington had a pew in Pohick Church, and one in Christ Church at Alexandria. He was very instrumental in establishing Pohick Church, and I believe subscribed [supported and contributed to] largely. His pew was near the pulpit. I have a perfect recollection of being there, before his election to the presidency, with him and my grandmother?
He attended the church at Alexandria when the weather and roads permitted a ride of ten miles [a one-way journey of 2-3 hours by horse or carriage]. In New York and Philadelphia he never omitted attendance at church in the morning, unless detained by indisposition [sickness]. The afternoon was spent in his own room at home; the evening with his family, and without company. Sometimes an old and intimate friend called to see us for an hour or two; but visiting and visitors were prohibited for that day [Sunday]. No one in church attended to the services with more reverential respect. My grandmother, who was eminently pious, never deviated from her early habits. She always knelt. The General, as was then the custom, stood during the devotional parts of the service. On communion Sundays, he left the church with me, after the blessing, and returned home, and we sent the carriage back for my grandmother.
It was his custom to retire to his library at nine or ten o'clock where he remained an hour before he went to his chamber. He always rose before the sun and remained in his library until called to breakfast. I never witnessed his private devotions. I never inquired about them. I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, "that they may be seen of men" [Matthew 6:5]. He communed with his God in secret [Matthew 6:6].
My mother [Eleanor Calvert-Lewis] resided two years at Mount Vernon after her marriage [in 1774] with John Parke Custis, the only son of Mrs. Washington. I have heard her say that General Washington always received the sacrament with my grandmother before the revolution. When my aunt, Miss Custis [Martha's daughter] died suddenly at Mount Vernon, before they could realize the event [before they understood she was dead], he [General Washington] knelt by her and prayed most fervently, most affectingly, for her recovery. Of this I was assured by Judge [Bushrod] Washington's mother and other witnesses.
He was a silent, thoughtful man. He spoke little generally; never of himself. I never heard him relate a single act of his life during the war. I have often seen him perfectly abstracted, his lips moving, but no sound was perceptible. I have sometimes made him laugh most heartily from sympathy with my joyous and extravagant spirits. I was, probably, one of the last persons on earth to whom he would have addressed serious conversation, particularly when he knew that I had the most perfect model of female excellence [Martha Washington] ever with me as my monitress, who acted the part of a tender and devoted parent, loving me as only a mother can love, and never extenuating [tolerating] or approving in me what she disapproved of others. She never omitted her private devotions, or her public duties; and she and her husband were so perfectly united and happy that he must have been a Christian. She had no doubts, no fears for him. After forty years of devoted affection and uninterrupted happiness, she resigned him without a murmur into the arms of his Savior and his God, with the assured hope of his eternal felicity [happiness in Heaven].
Is it necessary that any one should certify, "General Washington avowed himself to me a believer in Christianity?" As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic, disinterested devotion to his country. His mottos were, "Deeds, not Words"; and, "For God and my Country."
With sentiments of esteem,
I am, Nelly Custis-Lewis

George Washington's adopted daughter, having spent twenty years of her life in his presence, declared that one might as well question Washington's patriotism as question his Christianity. Certainly, no one questions his patriotism; so is it not rather ridiculous to question his Christianity? George Washington was a devout Episcopalian; and although as an Episcopalian he would not be classified as an outspoken and extrovert ?evangelical? Founder as were Founding Fathers like Benjamin Rush, Roger Sherman, and Thomas McKean, nevertheless, being an Episcopalian makes George Washington no less of a Christian.
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Yet for the current revisionists who have made it their goal to assert that America was founded as a secular nation by secular individuals and that the only hope for America's longevity rests in her continued secularism, George Washington's faith must be sacrificed on the altar of their secularist agenda.


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[TD="bgcolor: #ffcc99"] After researching Washington's life, Dr. Tim LaHaye wrote: ?Our first President was a godly man of humble character and sterling commitment to God. William White reports of his sincere piety in 'Washington Writings':
'It seems proper to subjoin to this letter what was told to me by Mr. Robert Lewis, at Fredricksburg, in the year 1827. Being a nephew of Washington, and his private secretary during the first part of his presidency, Mr. Lewis lived with him on terms of intimacy, and had the best opportunity for observing his habits. Mr. Lewis said that he had accidentally witnessed his private devotions in his library both morning and evening; that on those occasions he had seen him in a kneeling posture with a Bible open before him, and that he believed such to have been his daily practice.'? [2]
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At the end of the Revolutionary War, when the announcement of official peace arrived in America, George Washington issued his final sentiments. In his circular letter to the States on June 8, 1783, even though Washington gratefully acknowledged that we had won the war, he urged them to recall something of much greater importance and to remember?
?the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation. [3]
From George Washington's first official order through his last, he displayed a Christian emphasis.

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[TD="bgcolor: #ffcc99"] While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington's response, he first told them that "Congress? will look on them as on their own children." [4] That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision:
You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention. [4]
According to George Washington, what students would learn in American schools "above all" was "the religion of Jesus Christ ."
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[h=2]For much more on George Washington and the evidences of his strong faith, examine the following sources?[/h]
  • George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Ferdinand Andrews, Publisher, 1838), Vol. XII, pp. 399-411.
  • George Washington, The Religious Opinions of Washington, E. C. M'Guire, editor (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1836).
  • William Johnson, George Washington The Christian (1917).
  • William Jackson Johnstone, How Washington Prayed (New York: The Abingdon Press, 1932).
  • James D. Richardson, editor, The Messages and Papers of the Presidents (Published by the Authority of Congress, 1899), Vol. I, pp. 51-57 (1789), 64 (1789), 213-224 (1796), etc.
  • George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States, Late Commander in Chief of the American Army, to the People of the United States, Preparatory to his Declination (Baltimore: George & Henry S. Keatinge, 1796), pp. 22-23.
  • George Washington, The Maxims of Washington (New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1855).



[h=2]REFERENCES[/h]
  • George Washington's letter of August 20, 1778 to Brig. General Thomas Nelson, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XII (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 343.
  • Tim LaHaye, Faith of Our Founding Fathers (Brentwood, Tennessee: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, Publishers, Inc., 1987), p. 103.
  • George Washington's Circular to the States, June 8, 1783, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XXVI (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 496.
  • George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XV (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 55.
 
Inauguration and the Relevance Today


  • George Washington warned the United States that if it did not uphold the eternal standard of God, our nation would not prosper. The first president of the United States, George Washington, gave his inauguration address in New York City at Federal Hill.
    The message in George Washington?s inauguration address: ?The propitious smile of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself hath ordained (Avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/wash1.asp retrieved June 25, 2012).?
    The United States was sanctified to God on Aril 30, 1789 by George Washington at the St. Paul Chapel. This is the same chapel that many took refuge during 9/11. St. Paul Chapel was where George Washington, Senate, and Representatives bowed and prayed together dedicating the future of the United States to God and to keeping God?s laws. Ground zero today is where George Washington and others came together to pray to God for America?s future. New York City was our nation?s capital in 1789 because Washington, DC did not exist at that time.
    Where our nation was dedicated to God in 1789? 9/11 struck. Is this coincidental?
    King Solomon dedicated his kingdom to God and promised to keep God?s statutes and commandments (I kings 3:14). When King Solomon did not keep God?s statutes and commandments, God took the kingdom away from King Solomon (I kings 11:13).
    This writer believes that maybe our political leader in our now nation?s capital, Washington, DC, should turn back to God so that our nation will prosper once again.
 
How does a being created by a god have the ability to do evil?...We cant create something out of nothing, it had to be imbeded into our dna or minds some how...Christians will tell you that mankind has no morals of their own...The christian worldview is that mankind can only know good morals by following gods moral standards...Which is rediculous when you consider the biblical god murdered innocent unborn infants and children.

You're giving "evil" a concreteness that doesn't exists. Evil (in the moral sense) isn't something that is created, it would better be described as nothing. Evil, in the moral sense, is simply not doing what god commanded or what god commanded not to do. So saying that god or we "created" evil is kinda like arguing atheism is a religion. Also, you're equivocating two definitions of morals, that which is commonly considered moral and that which god commanded. If you start with the premise that the christian worldview, that god sets the moral standard, is correct then whatever god does is moral. There's no biblical precept I'm aware of that entails god must adhere to the commands he gives to the people. Sure you might think god is a "hypocrite" for not following his own rules but that doesn't mean there is some logical inconsistency which means it is an impossible situation.
 
It is a common argument from Christians that this country was founded on Christian beliefs, and that our Founding Fathers were Christians. It is unfortunate that those who make this argument haven't researched their argument. History is clear and many quotes have been documented that clearly state the opposite...

Even the deists at the time strongly believed in christian principles. It's clear many of the founding fathers didn't believe in the supernatural stuff of Christianity but almost all of them spoke as if they were highly influenced by christian principles. I would even argue that they were more devote that most Christians today if you ignore the supernatural stuff. I guarantee Jefferson read the bible more than most Christians today. You've probably read a lot of quotes online about the founding fathers dogging Christianity but I encourage you to read the source in its entirety.

A popular quote by John Adams is "But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
Does that mean he was against christian principles? This sentence is from him in the very same letter "Jesus is benevolence personified, an example for all men."

Also, the "Age of Reason" was written a few years after the Constitution was adopted.
 
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