I'm ready to do my first sysle, I have been planning it for WELL over a year now and its time. just one last thing. how much will proscar and nizroal help with my hair line on cycle. I'm a bit per-disp to MPB and my BIGGEST worry is my hair line being worse then it is. this may sound stupid but that the only thing holding me back. I'm ready to face all other risks. will the combo of the two stop any hair loss while on cycle or will I still loose some. and will any of it come back after the cycle is over with continued use of the proscar......thanks.
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Actually I would not know, because I dont need to know. I can take as much of anything as I want and not lose any hair, other than what has always come out onto my comb.
I forget how much the average person loses daily. There are a couple guys here in the know about hair, but I'm not one of them.
I forget how much the average person loses daily. There are a couple guys here in the know about hair, but I'm not one of them.
I've let my hair grow out and I've noticed that I lose hair every morning when I shower....I never noticed it with short hair....I think its normal to lose a couple per day...I never thought about it or noticed it until I used gear....but for the hairline nothing has receded...I have some mega thick hair and like no forehead..lol.
IMO if you are going to get blad eventually the gear will just speed up the process...on a lighter note I've never heard of people losing their hair on Var....but that isn't a great cycle by itself.
IMO if you are going to get blad eventually the gear will just speed up the process...on a lighter note I've never heard of people losing their hair on Var....but that isn't a great cycle by itself.
I never lose hair either and Iv done dbol and test cycles with no hair protectors whatsoever, however i researched alot on hairloss because i was unsure if male pattern baldness was an issue for me. For what you just listed there, test/EQ/Var id go with dutasteride and nizoral shampoo. Dutasteride is a 5AR inhibitor(these convert testosterone into DHT, which is bad for your hair). Proscar will reduce DHT levels by65% or so, but it only blocks type2 5AR enzymes, whereas dutasteride can reduce DHT by 90-93% because it blocks type 1 &2 5AR enzymes. Nizoral, Iv been told, helps reduce androgen related damage to hair. Anyway, EQ and Var are supposed to be easy on the hair.Dont use deca with a 5AR inhibitor though. Im gonna use a 5AR inhibitor on my cycles, not for my hair because it isnt needed for that, but for prostate. Anyway, as someone mentioned, if ya lose hair on AAS, it usually means your destined to lose it eventually. Hope that helps. Also check this article out http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_376539/mpage_1/key_hair,loss/tm.htm
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Well shit as Dr. E know i don't care about my hairline. I have been shaving my head for the past 30 yrs. So give me the 20 lbs of temp muscle. look at it this way. look at you grandpa and dad and if there bald go for the cycle and piss on the hair loss
ForemanRules said:Send a PM to mudge, if there is and MPB friendly cycle he will know.
Personally I would never give up my hair line for 20 Lbs of temporary muscle.
ForemanRules said:Personally I would never give up my hair line for 20 Lbs of temporary muscle.
If you eat a sufficient amount of calories to maintain your muscle and have a good diet and routine, why would gains be temporary, unless youve really surpassed your natural genetic limit?
On average ya lose about 50-100 hairs a day. I lose around that much, but its not unusual to lose up to 150 hairs a day.
its thinning at the front and I'll never loose it at the back or anywhere else, just on the crown area. it's allmost came to a stop at this point, but sooner or later I'll loose a bit more I'm thinking. I'll never be bald though. I dont want it to happen any sooner then it has to, I'm to young to look like that.
ah just shave it all off and get buff! the last thing the ladies will be lookign at is ur hairline! 
I dunno about that.....and I like my hair way to much to shave it. I'm pretty happy with my body but I could be much much more happy with some extra help over the fall\winter.....but not at the risk of being a 22yr old BALD guy....no fukkin way. if anyone could help me out with some actual advice other then saying shave it or just let it fall out I'd be thankfull!! peace.
Tribal if going bald is that much of a worry then steroids might not be your calling...You have mentioned it runs in the family so you have a higher risk of losing your hair....nobody can tell you yay or nay if its going to happen for sure...either do it or don't do it...you seem to know the risks. Just because you take something for MPB doesn't mean its going to stop you from going bald on cycle either.
I would recommend doing searches on here and other boards to see what other members use that have the same issues.
I would recommend doing searches on here and other boards to see what other members use that have the same issues.
TrojanMan60563 said:
good info...
if MPB is a major concern then anything that is highly androgenic is out of the picture. you could use deca or EQ, but neither of them I would use w/o at least a little test.
LAM said:
along with the above mentioned drugs Anavar and Primo would be safe routes IMO. The down side is they are weak steroids and will not yield quick or large gains. Oh and they are not cheap either.
If you consider a deca only cycle get friendly with the use of HCG and a good PCT.
so if I were to run say Test 500mg every week for 10 weeks. and 400mg week EQ and most likley leave it at that. maybe Var as well. with any loss of hair I do have is there a chance that it will come back after my cycle or when I loose it in the ten weeks is it gone for good. also will I continue to loose hair after my cycle and PCT is over or will it stop there when levels go back close to normal.
You could throw the kitchen sink at it if you want. From what I understand about minoxidil, you have to keep using it if you want to keep regrowth that you get. Azaleic acid/Spiro I hear can initially also increase shedding. All those are topicals. I personally choose not to mess with them, but they are certainly worth looking at. A lot of people do like frequent use of nizoral shampoo as well for conditioning the scalp.
You might just want to bite the bullet and fork out some cash for dutasteride and run it for a long time before the cycle, during the cycle and maybe even afterwards. Something to research anyhow.
BigVirunga (sp) has a good thread over anabolicminds about it all, probably in the anabolics section.
The only way you will know for sure whether you lose hair on a compound is to use it and see. I did that with test and find that I lose a lot, but some comes back. I tried it with Tren now and notice very little hairloss. Go figure. Superdrol also causes me no noticeable shedding.
You might just want to bite the bullet and fork out some cash for dutasteride and run it for a long time before the cycle, during the cycle and maybe even afterwards. Something to research anyhow.
BigVirunga (sp) has a good thread over anabolicminds about it all, probably in the anabolics section.
The only way you will know for sure whether you lose hair on a compound is to use it and see. I did that with test and find that I lose a lot, but some comes back. I tried it with Tren now and notice very little hairloss. Go figure. Superdrol also causes me no noticeable shedding.
Having the same problem you might essentially, I have considered going the deca route. But the potential for shutdown and extended recovery just isn't worth it to me. I'd rather lose a fair amount of hair and keep my hpta strong than keep all my hair and have a tougher time recovering. jmo.
tel me if I'm wrong here. just a thought. Say if I were to keep the Test lower say around 300-400mg\wk and up the dose of EQ to say 600mg\wk will I see just as many sides from the high EQ as I would 500mg test and 300mg EQ. maybe still throw in a higher dose of Var. I know from past exp in other areas that I have a very very strong liver!!! it has had alot of recovery time as well so orals are not a worry of mine at all. will this warrant the same type of a gain as highewr test and lower EQ as well?
I would do like 200mg test with 800mg EQ or 400mg Deca. Never done EQ but what I've read indicates that high doses are needed for good results. You could throw in 40-60mg of Var in with that. So you would have 3 lower then average doses compounds...that might be mo betta for your hairline.
[/QUOTE] I think dutasteride would be a better choice than finasteride(ie.proscar).[/QUOTE]
DHT seems to be the main culprit in MPB, and its our own personal genetics that determine how sensitive our hair folicles of the vortex (top of your bonce) are to this. Obviously some people dont suffer at all, enjoying full heads of hair their entire lives, others wont lose a strand till hitting 30 etc and some who simply start thinning in their early 20's. Its tough shit, just the luck of the draw, and like someone said here earlier, if your dad etc is bald, there's a more than probable chance you will become bald also. The two drugs mentioned are indeed effective in reducing the enzyme in the body thats responsible for conversion to DHT. This hopefully can halt the DHT causing follicles to close up etc causing baldness, it has even been said it can cause hair regeneration to an extent (obviously you're never gonna get back the hairline you had!). Basically, it helps hold on to what hair you've got left and in the usage of AS, it should also greatly reduce the DHT conversion from the exogeneous drugs that would be greater than the usual natural amounts(this is why people who may not even suffer from MPB, use finasteride etc to halt the hair loss caused by the much higher doses of converted DHT from the AS). Dutasteride is supposedly more effective at minimizing conversion to DHT (higher percentage is stopped, I believe its supposed to be 80-90%) and is also better than finasteride in a sense that it can also reduce the type 2 enzyme that causes DHT to stimulate the sebacious glands causing acne. Therefore this drug halts acne and hairloss at higher percentages than finasteride. However, it hasnt been around as long as finasteride so may not be as reliable in the long run. Finasteride although only reducing DHT conversion by about 65-80%, and not having the properties to counter acne, has stood the test of time and is proven. MPB blokes tend to take 1mg per day, others on gear tend to at times boost it to 5mg per day (or 1mg ED then 5mg E5D etc) but at high doses, libido prblems have been reported.
DHT seems to be the main culprit in MPB, and its our own personal genetics that determine how sensitive our hair folicles of the vortex (top of your bonce) are to this. Obviously some people dont suffer at all, enjoying full heads of hair their entire lives, others wont lose a strand till hitting 30 etc and some who simply start thinning in their early 20's. Its tough shit, just the luck of the draw, and like someone said here earlier, if your dad etc is bald, there's a more than probable chance you will become bald also. The two drugs mentioned are indeed effective in reducing the enzyme in the body thats responsible for conversion to DHT. This hopefully can halt the DHT causing follicles to close up etc causing baldness, it has even been said it can cause hair regeneration to an extent (obviously you're never gonna get back the hairline you had!). Basically, it helps hold on to what hair you've got left and in the usage of AS, it should also greatly reduce the DHT conversion from the exogeneous drugs that would be greater than the usual natural amounts(this is why people who may not even suffer from MPB, use finasteride etc to halt the hair loss caused by the much higher doses of converted DHT from the AS). Dutasteride is supposedly more effective at minimizing conversion to DHT (higher percentage is stopped, I believe its supposed to be 80-90%) and is also better than finasteride in a sense that it can also reduce the type 2 enzyme that causes DHT to stimulate the sebacious glands causing acne. Therefore this drug halts acne and hairloss at higher percentages than finasteride. However, it hasnt been around as long as finasteride so may not be as reliable in the long run. Finasteride although only reducing DHT conversion by about 65-80%, and not having the properties to counter acne, has stood the test of time and is proven. MPB blokes tend to take 1mg per day, others on gear tend to at times boost it to 5mg per day (or 1mg ED then 5mg E5D etc) but at high doses, libido prblems have been reported.
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Search about fella, you'll find some. I bought mine off the internet ( i know this isn't advised at all) and have been happy with the finasteride (I bought proscar and split the 5mg tab into 4, as propecia, the same stuff, is much too costly). I got mine from a health clinic type site, not the usual bodybuilding or anabolic sites. Reasonable price too. Good luckTribal said:
kicka19 said:
this quote just set genetic research back 20 yrs~!!! congrats, this is going in that myth thread in the training section!!
^oh and by the way its given to me by your mother!!!!
haha just kiddin! couldn't resist that one!!!
haha just kiddin! couldn't resist that one!!!
