HUmalin -r (insuline) Experience

[jay_steel]

just in case anyone skips to this page - yeah its been said 100x 15iu first time? after all the research i completed i would shit my pants thinking about that. i started at 2iu and worked my way up. now i can comfortably do 30iu a day split between two doses, although i dont touch pre workout slin use with a 10 foot pole. sounds like youre getting your shit dialed in tho.

--question to you that's not necessarily beneficial: why are you using slin only pre work out? why not have an additional dose >= 4 hours apart? im curious more than anything im not recommending this.

It really comes down to my job and when I can work out.

I would take it post, but i only have humalin not log. Probably going to change to log soon. Pre allows me to know its died down by the time i go to sleep. With my last carb meal at 10:20 or 11 i am fine through out the night. I would take it through out the day, but I am an IT and 90% of the time i have time to eat my meals on time, but if i get stuck working on a doctors computer and feeling hypo or we have a system crash i dont want to take advantage of the freedom my employeers all ready give me.

I am bulking right now, so i feel the protien, bcaa, and carbs replenishing my glycogen while training with slin benefits me the most. I feel really pumped in the gym allmost as if i was on drol. Being on no aas right now this has honestly kept my brain in the game and size coming on. I have put on more then normal bodyfat though but im not worried about that though. I am just focusing on feeding and training. I am probably at 11% right now. My goal was to stay at 9% but i dont think thats possible I may slip to 14% but want to tapper down back to 10% before i start my next prep.

 

[jay_steel]

Question for anyone

What is your favorite flavor for Karbolyn?

I'm collecting info... thanks!

watermelon so far. I went to buy more and accidentally bought fruit punch, its still GOOD but tastes JUST like cherries. Watermelon has this refreshing taste to it. It was the first sweet thing I tasted since i started my prep last month and i was in paradise its sooo good.

 

[jay_steel]

I am also now 210 today and this is my 5 injection... Remember only pinning it M W F... with 8iu of Hygetropin HGH. I did notice this HGH is making me hold more water then the elitropins I was on last time. But I am bulking also so i dont really care, just want to hit 230... Goal is get as close as possible and as soon as the old lady is prego I will blast drol, dbol, test and npp.. Then finish with tren and low test no orals. Then cruise for some time and then start my contest prep... Dont think i will start it right off with a blast due to doing a LONG prep this time. 18 weeks.

 

[jay_steel]

Also for any one that is worried about slin, its nothing as long as you have food by you. I probably would never advice 15iu period like I did, but if you do it then just make sure you have a meter on you. My advice for 1st time slin users is pin it and sit on the couch and play some video games. Get use to the feeling. Check your BS every 20 mins or so. Then jump into your protocol and train. I did not pin on friday because i knew i wouldnt be around food and good thing i didnt because i probably would have gone hypo in the middle of dicks sporting goods. Even though they do have some carb supplements there. That would not have been good. Plan your day around the slin if your on humalin. This is the only thing I dont like. If my wife wants to go for a walk and i know i need to feed in 30 mins i have to tell her no.

 

[fit4life]

I have followed along with you "jay_steel and with all this the info you given i thought you were big bro, you BARELY weigh 200lbs? No way I would take your advice. No way to sugarcoat this but get back to the basics and put some size on. After i saw your stats i couldnt believe i wasted my time reading thru this, sorry.

 

[jay_steel]

I have followed along with you "jay_steel and with all this the info you given i thought you were big bro, you BARELY weigh 200lbs? No way I would take your advice. No way to sugarcoat this but get back to the basics and put some size on. After i saw your stats i couldnt believe i wasted my time reading thru this, sorry.

good then get the fuck out of my thread then.. I may not be the biggest guy here but I have zero desire to weight 260 and be a LHW or a HW in bodybuilding. I want to stay MW and compete at the national level. So if you say being under 200 or shit my goal is to stay competing at 176 is small your a retard there are plenty of guys that weight that who are huge. Franco Columbu was only 185 lbs he must have been small too. I guess my 430 bench, 315 8 times on incline 540 squat all means i am also weak as well right.

When did I ever say i was the biggest guy in the thread? My AVI is right there and you can see it for your self, I have nothing to hide. I am not monster, but I only have only been training for 2.5 years so the gains I have made have been GREAT. What will I look like next year on stage, I hope enough to pull a big show and in two years I hope to make USA's. My life is currently revolving around bodybuilding period. I also know plenty of smaller guys who train top level IFBB guys. Shit some of them were not even PRO's just in the NPC level but yet they train IFBB guys such as Shelby Starnes. He isnt no 300lb monster, but yet he trains them? Wait hes smaller we shouldnt read any thing he says, because hes smaller then me. This thread has nothing to do with telling you how to take insulin, its giving my friends here on the forum a chance to follow my experience with it. It may help some people who were on the fence about it.

FYI everyone on ironmag... If your not HUGE dont post stuff about AAS, HGH, and SLIN because your knowledge, experience, or opinion doesnt mean shit if your not HUGE!!.

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Yesterday was a GREAT day in the gym... All my strength is about back to where it was when i was on AAS. My legs strength is back finally. (when dieting i had joint pain and heaviest i could go was 135) I was single leg pressing 315 for 8 reps DC style meaning 8 reps was failure then took 15 seconds to complete another failure and then repeat that again.

Gains are sky rocketing. Woke up today even leaner then I was the day before and the same weight. My abs were gone for a week and they are back now. Currently doing M W F high carb days T T is low carbs below 90 and S S is eat what ever as long as i get my macros.

 

[keith1569]

Digging the log brother

And yes you are weak, if u were 260 imagine how much stronger you would be hahaha
Just messing with ya

 

[Standard Donkey]

Shelby Starnes. He isnt no 300lb monster, but yet he trains them? Wait hes smaller we shouldnt read any thing he says, because hes smaller then me. This thread has nothing to do with telling you how to take insulin, its giving my friends here on the forum a chance to follow my experience with it. It may help some people who were on the fence about it.

Shelby is going to be competing at 212 I believe.. and he is 5'6.. which is pretty damn big.. but to support your argument, Palumbo is one of the premier coaches out there.. and he never got his pro card IIRC..

 

[jay_steel]

Shelby is going to be competing at 212 I believe.. and he is 5'6.. which is pretty damn big.. but to support your argument, Palumbo is one of the premier coaches out there.. and he never got his pro card IIRC..

Yeah shelby is a monster.. that second sentence didnt come out right. It was more less quoting that guy with him saying.," Wait hes smaller we shouldnt read any thing he says, because hes smaller then me." not me saying shelby is smaller because shebly is insane.

 

[slinsane]

15 Units any insulin is quite a high dose for someone who is not diabetic. Insulin is so individualized. Depending on your sensitivity 15 units can put your blood sugar under 60. When you start to have the symptoms of hypo you are already below 60. Sweating, jitters, nauseated. Around 30-40 you start to fall asleep and it is difficult to move. At this level most people would have to be fed glucose tablets because they would find it difficult to be coordinated enough to do so for themselves. I have seen it. Diabetic coma kills people every year. R kicks in 30-60 minutes, peaks during 2-4 hours and lasts 5-8. Keep this in mind when administering. Keep in mind that you should try to use the least amount because you are desensitizing your body to insulin. Why predispose ourselves to decreased insulin sensitivity. The more we use the less sensitive our cells will become.

 

[theCaptn']

just about 90% of people i spoke with said 10-15 is fine. Just as long as i get my carb intake. This i coming from top level trainers and bodybuilder, as well as fellow forum guys. Some people adviced to start low, but the consensus was that any thing less then 10iu is a waste, that the dangers are overplayed if your responsible with it, which I was. My gym back was packed full of carbs and candy. Only mistake I made was not buying a blood sugar meter before. Which I have now, also had my friends monitoring me during the gym.

I think SD ran Humalog at 15 his first go and everything went smooth where this was humalin which does not slam you like humalog does.

Im glad youre ok mate.

15iu was a crazy first dose - especially using humalin. No matter if everyone you know says it was fine, every individual has different tolerances.

I started a 4iu and worked my way up in 2iu increments -that way my body had time to adjust. That way I never had any hypo symptoms.

Edit: I know now every fk has already told you that. Keep up the good work jay

 

[nsp]

So are you you just doing one 15iu dose 3 times a week?

 

[jay_steel]

yeah just 3 times a week.. only on actual lifting days on my carb days...

Monday= chest tri shoulders high carb
tues= cardio abs calves 90 carbs
wed= back bi legs hi carb
thurs off low carb
friday repeat monday high carb
sat-sun off moderate carbs
monday repeat weds and so on. high carb

Its a modified DC training. I know he hates it when people change it but doing back with my chest shoulders and tris was way to much for me.

 

[Standard Donkey]

15 Units any insulin is quite a high dose for someone who is not diabetic. Insulin is so individualized. Depending on your sensitivity 15 units can put your blood sugar under 60. When you start to have the symptoms of hypo you are already below 60. Sweating, jitters, nauseated. Around 30-40 you start to fall asleep and it is difficult to move. At this level most people would have to be fed glucose tablets because they would find it difficult to be coordinated enough to do so for themselves. I have seen it. Diabetic coma kills people every year. R kicks in 30-60 minutes, peaks during 2-4 hours and lasts 5-8. Keep this in mind when administering. Keep in mind that you should try to use the least amount because you are desensitizing your body to insulin. Why predispose ourselves to decreased insulin sensitivity. The more we use the less sensitive our cells will become.

GH makes you less insulin sensitive as well IIRC.. it's not the insulin that makes you a diabetic.. it's the GH. I remember when my blood sugar dipped very low.. think it was around 35 ( I had eaten 40g of carbs from white rice right before this happened so I slowly came out of it), my face went numb and my jaw dropped and I was drooling everywhere.. not fun.

 

[XYZ]

GH makes you less insulin sensitive as well IIRC.. it's not the insulin that makes you a diabetic.. it's the GH. I remember when my blood sugar dipped very low.. think it was around 35 ( I had eaten 40g of carbs from white rice right before this happened so I slowly came out of it), my face went numb and my jaw dropped and I was drooling everywhere.. not fun.

GH makes you more sensitive to insulin, that's why the two are used together so often.

 

[Mike Arnold]

GH makes you more sensitive to insulin, that's why the two are used together so often.

Actually, Standard Donkey is correct...GH reduces inuslin sensitivity...and can do so dramatically at higher dosages....so much so that it can potentially make you diabetic, especially if insulin is abused along with it (Note to Standard Donkey: Insulin abuse will definitely decrease insulin sensitivity...just like GH). At lower dosages (2-3 IU) GH is not an issue, but when guys get up to using 8+ IU daily, the problems set in. Hell, even 5 IU will adversely affect insulin sensitivity....and the higher you go, the worse it gets.

 

[jay_steel]

great information here.. Things are going good. Taking this week off really to relax and catch up on some family stuff and get some work done. I think I am actually going to start a cycle up soon. Something light nothing to big if my blood work looks good. I have been off for some time now and feel great. Holding strong at 208 right now and getting noticeably leaner each day. I was thinking tren, but I all ready ran tren, So i decided to go light and just go test and eq for now with a 20mg dbol kicker. Normally do much more in MG but i am trying to lower all my AAS dosage and focus more on diet. I am just excited to try some real blue hearts.

 

[Diesel618]

Ive always heard that the magic starts to happen at 15 iu. I know that's not very scientific, but the only person who I know who uses it does 7.5 iu's with breakfast and 7.5 iu's post workout.

 

[theCaptn']

Ive always heard that the magic starts to happen at 15 iu. I know that's not very scientific, but the only person who I know who uses it does 7.5 iu's with breakfast and 7.5 iu's post workout.

That's utter bullshit. You can get results at lower doses

 

[XYZ]

Actually, Standard Donkey is correct...GH reduces inuslin sensitivity...and can do so dramatically at higher dosages....so much so that it can potentially make you diabetic, especially if insulin is abused along with it (Note to Standard Donkey: Insulin abuse will definitely decrease insulin sensitivity...just like GH). At lower dosages (2-3 IU) GH is not an issue, but when guys get up to using 8+ IU daily, the problems set in. Hell, even 5 IU will adversely affect insulin sensitivity....and the higher you go, the worse it gets.

Do you have any articles on this?

Anything I have read states the opposite.

Thanks

 

[Mike Arnold]

Ive always heard that the magic starts to happen at 15 iu. I know that's not very scientific, but the only person who I know who uses it does 7.5 iu's with breakfast and 7.5 iu's post workout.

This "MYTH" was started by one of the biggest liars on the Net. The fact is there is NO dosage at which the "magic" starts to happen. There is no special mechanism which is triggered at 15 IU that is not in effect at 14 IU...or 13 IU, etc. GH's effects are dose-dependent, so the more you use, the better it works (to a degree). You will consistently get better results as the dose rises, but there is no jump in effectiveness once you hit 15 IU.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Do you have any articles on this?

Anything I have read states the opposite.

Thanks

You can find a vast amount of information on this subject all over the Net. This is a very well known fact, which has never been disputed. Rather, it has been a highly publicized topic by both the medical establishment and the BB'ing community, with numerous reserach studies and articles being conducted/published for decades. In fact, this has been a hot subject in the BB'ing community lately, as we attempt to discover new methods of minimizing this very real health hazard. About 1.5-2.0 years ago I started advocating the concomittant adminitration Glucophage with both insulin and GH; an effective practice which has been reiterated by one of MD's senior writers in a recent issue of MD. One of the primary reasons we are advised to take time off from drugs like insulin & GH is due to their negative effects on insulin sensitivity. As frequency of use and dosage increase, so to does the probability of developing insulin resistance. This problem is further magnified when using both drugs simultaneously. Through the combined use of Glucophage, other supplements/drugs, and proper cycling, we are able to utilize GH & Insulin at a higher dosage for a longer period of time, while avoiding thise ill effect on our health.

There is a synergistic, as well as a complimentary effect witnessed when these drugs are combined, but at the same time, their ill effect on insulin sensitivity is undeniable. I believe you may be confusing this synergy with insulin sensitivity, as we frequently hear people say things such as..."Insulin makes the body more sensitize to the effects of GH", etc. However, when these comments are made, they are not referring to insulin sensitivity itself. Rather they're in reference to the aforementioned synergy.

 

[XYZ]

After reading more I think I am/was getting confused with the terms of sensitivity and resistance and how they were being used in the context of the text that was being read at the time.

Good post.

 

[Mike Arnold]

After reading more I think I am/was getting confused with the terms of sensitivity and resistance and how they were being used in the context of the text that was being read at the time.

Good post.

That's understandable. Once you look into it, you can see the difference, but it can be confusing at first.

 

[Bchrysl]

Also for any one that is worried about slin, its nothing as long as you have food by you. I probably would never advice 15iu period like I did, but if you do it then just make sure you have a meter on you. My advice for 1st time slin users is pin it and sit on the couch and play some video games. Get use to the feeling. Check your BS every 20 mins or so. Then jump into your protocol and train. I did not pin on friday because i knew i wouldnt be around food and good thing i didnt because i probably would have gone hypo in the middle of dicks sporting goods. Even though they do have some carb supplements there. That would not have been good. Plan your day around the slin if your on humalin. This is the only thing I dont like. If my wife wants to go for a walk and i know i need to feed in 30 mins i have to tell her no.

great thread - makes me want to run some pre workout insulin instead of post workout cept for it would neutralize (reduce in actuality) the effect of the mod grf/ghrp combo after.

bold = solid advice
italicized = most people will not do, which is why I will write below

if its ur first time: please buy glucose tabs at CVS or some other store in case you go hypo, they are cheap and I realize that most people new to this won't be checking BS.

 

[jay_steel]

yeah i felt GREAT gains from it but had to stop due to it being summer and I am really active in the summer so with the Humalin being active for longer then I want it was hard to time my meals around it if I wanted to do things in the evening. I am going to get some humalog and give that a go, there was to many times where my wife wanted to see an evening movie and all i can think about was at this time i need to eat.

 

[Bchrysl]

yeah i felt GREAT gains from it but had to stop due to it being summer and I am really active in the summer so with the Humalin being active for longer then I want it was hard to time my meals around it if I wanted to do things in the evening. I am going to get some humalog and give that a go, there was to many times where my wife wanted to see an evening movie and all i can think about was at this time i need to eat.

im curious to hear of the differences you experience on running humalog vs humulin-r - lmk in this thread? only reason i went humulin-r is easy availability, although #@$@#$ pharmacists usually wont sell it to me even tho its legal. makes it more of a pain than ordering online.

 

[jay_steel]

wall mart bro.. they never ask.. or my wallgreens the guy got me huge discounts and asked me if its for personal use lol or medical when i was buying all the BS testing stuff and I told him personal use and he was all cool bro let me hook you up and whipped out like 10 coupons.

 

[Bchrysl]

wall mart bro.. they never ask.. or my wallgreens the guy got me huge discounts and asked me if its for personal use lol or medical when i was buying all the BS testing stuff and I told him personal use and he was all cool bro let me hook you up and whipped out like 10 coupons.

brother,

repped wal mart it is. CVS fucking hates me - I have to go on average to 3 different locations to get a bottle of legal insulin...wal mart will be my new insulin depot of choice hell yea

 

[jay_steel]

yeah i tell the girl there straight up i use it to get big.