I finally did it!

[gopro]

Honestly though, Chris, judging from history and previous experiences...Were you expecting anything else?

Nice back door jab TCD. You are an idiot...and from past experiences, should I expect anything else?

 

[gopro]

Fair enough. However, I do feel that squatting olympic style is more effective at placing tension on the quad muscles than squatting with a powerlifting stance. I'm not disregarding your statements, but I just feel that considering all other variables to be equal the olympic stance is more effective at hitting the quads.

I agree with you, and am not saying that any form of squatting is ineffective. What I AM saying is that for some people it is NOT the best quad builder, while for others it might be. In fact, for the majority of people it probably is, however, there are limiting factors for some, making it a less than optimal exercise. Now I said optimal, because it will not be wholly ineffective (unless it causes you an injury everytime you do it, possibly over time causing you to LOSE muscle) by any means...but like I said, less than optimal. It is very simple, that for some, hack squats or leg presses is going to result in more hypertrophy than the squat, just as for some, t-bar rows might result in more hypertrophy of the back muscles than with bent over rows. Certain limitations will lead to less tension and less fiber recruitment in the target muscles...end of story.

 

[Tough Old Man]

Holly smoly. I'm 52 yrs old and just started squats for the first time last month. Tore an ass muscle the first day but just continued doing them every week. Pain went away finally last week. Sure the next problem will be my balls dropping on the floor. You Think I'm to old to start doing them. And yes I have a fxck up lower back.

 

[Wannabebig.com]

I believe what Go Pro is trying to say to you Chris is that the acyclical lumbomechanical forces are sequenced in such a manner during a squat that a hypertrophic effect in the quads will not result due to a interdigitated neuromotoric force coupling effect.

Is this correct Go Pro?

 

[Du]

I believe what Go Pro is trying to say to you Chris is that the acyclical lumbomechanical forces are sequenced in such a manner during a squat that a hypertrophic effect in the quads will not result due to a interdigitated neuromotoric force coupling effect.

Is this correct Go Pro?

Thats what I tried telling them!

 

[CowPimp]

I agree with you, and am not saying that any form of squatting is ineffective. What I AM saying is that for some people it is NOT the best quad builder, while for others it might be. In fact, for the majority of people it probably is, however, there are limiting factors for some, making it a less than optimal exercise. Now I said optimal, because it will not be wholly ineffective (unless it causes you an injury everytime you do it, possibly over time causing you to LOSE muscle) by any means...but like I said, less than optimal. It is very simple, that for some, hack squats or leg presses is going to result in more hypertrophy than the squat, just as for some, t-bar rows might result in more hypertrophy of the back muscles than with bent over rows. Certain limitations will lead to less tension and less fiber recruitment in the target muscles...end of story.

That's all well and good. However, I was just stating the the olympic squat seems to be better at hitting the quads relative to powerlifter style; I wasn't making reference to other exercises out there. I understand your point just fine.

 

[Robboe]

Nice back door jab TCD. You are an idiot...and from past experiences, should I expect anything else?

Just as you were being honest here, i was just being honest. You always dance around the questions asked of you without answering them directly.

 

[Robboe]

I believe what Go Pro is trying to say to you Chris is that the acyclical lumbomechanical forces are sequenced in such a manner during a squat that a hypertrophic effect in the quads will not result due to a interdigitated neuromotoric force coupling effect.

Is this correct Go Pro?

lol.

 

[Tank316]

seems to be a few people here that suffer from penis envy!!!!!

 

[Wannabebig.com]

Tee heee, he said "penis."

 

[gopro]

I believe what Go Pro is trying to say to you Chris is that the acyclical lumbomechanical forces are sequenced in such a manner during a squat that a hypertrophic effect in the quads will not result due to a interdigitated neuromotoric force coupling effect.

Is this correct Go Pro?

Oh my goodness, Maki used so many big words!! I don't think I could ever understand what he is saying. Damn, you and Chris are so dang smart! I swear, I wish I were either one of you guys...so educated, so well read, so special. I can't believe that Chris is not the most famous trainer on earth and you are not the most well known writer and award winning bodybuilder. I guess it must because of some unknown scientific reason that even YOU TWO haven't found yet. Well, I'm sure you'll cut and paste something soon about it.

 

[gopro]

Just as you were being honest here, i was just being honest. You always dance around the questions asked of you without answering them directly.

Listen tiny, I did not dance around anything. My answers were clear and concise and something that every member could understand, relate to, and actually apply to their training, as always. Speaking with scientific mumbo jumbo is all well and good...and guess what, I can do it too...but it talks above the heads of 85% of the members who might not spend their lives reading and learning the technical terms of everything that has to do with lifting weights. 99% of people want information that they can easily understand (read:don't need a dictionary or medical book to figure out what is being referred to) and apply to their programs. Some people hear they "need to squat to grow," and although they are getting little out of it, will continue doing it endlessly...getting nowhere. What I did in this thread is teach people with common squatting problems that they may never get as much out of squats as the next guy, and might build more muscle with other exercises like hacks or leg presses. This is one of the reasons that people love to publish what I write...they tell me that I don't try to speak over people's heads and teach them things that they can begin to apply immediately.

I could have answered Chris in the manner he wished me to long ago, but...

a. Even the technical bullshit would not completely answer the question.
b. He would have found a way to try and refute my answer in any way possible, even if it took a day's research
c. Most importantly I am not here for Chris, but from the other members that are truly seeking help in finding real world answers to their training problems...things that actually occur outside of a lab.

 

[gopro]

That's all well and good. However, I was just stating the the olympic squat seems to be better at hitting the quads relative to powerlifter style; I wasn't making reference to other exercises out there. I understand your point just fine.

Hmmm, getting testy. Oh well, yes, I understand your point too and totally agree that olympic squatting is better than powerlifting style for affecting quad growth.

 

[Du]

c. Most importantly I am not here for Chris, but from the other members that are truly seeking help in finding real world answers to their training problems....

 

[Tank316]

c. Most importantly I am not here for Chris, but from the other members that are truly seeking help in finding real world answers to their training problems...things that actually occur outside of a lab

Your advice is greatly appreciated, i for one,have taken my physique to a new level in 3 1/2 yrs.And remember Eric, to look like a chicken, you have to lift like a chicken!

 

[pmech]

Wow tank you are out in the middle of nowhere. I use to live in the Marshfield area up by you.

 

[Tank316]

Wow tank you are out in the middle of nowhere. I use to live in the Marshfield area up by you.

been there, nice town. yes, i'm up in the sticks, i forgot, where are you now?

 

[CowPimp]

Hmmm, getting testy. Oh well, yes, I understand your point too and totally agree that olympic squatting is better than powerlifting style for affecting quad growth.

I didn't intend to sound testy. Unfortunately, because you are only viewing text, and I refuse to use those emoticons, it is impossible to discern my attitude based on my tone of voice. I apologize for coming off like this.

 

[Tank316]

This thread, just like others, has taken a wrong turn for the worse..Chris, any comments on why?

 

[Saturday Fever]

I'll give some insight for myself.

I'm not around trying to help rookies. New lifters will benefit from anything they do, as we're all aware. I'm interested in helping the guys who want to take things a notch higher and want to begin applying principles themselves. I'll use Cow as an example. Initially, we had our disagreements. But he is interested in advancing his knowledge, which inevitably will help him advance himself as a weightlifter. He is the type of lifter I hope to reach or help. Someone like MonStar. When I first met him he hated deadlifts and his max was sub-400. I introduced him to Westside, gave him some suggestions on things to tweak. Now he's pulling in the 600s both sumo and conventional and his other numbers are phenomenal as well.

When someone says "This does this." I'm not seeking to discredit what they said in all cases. Hell, not in many cases. I simply want to expand on that so the advancing lifters can soak up information and continue to improve themselves mentally and physically.

And I don't think it's too much to ask that the advanced lifters of this board be eager to do the same. That's my take on why these conversations go in such different directions than where they started. And I know I wasn't asked, but I figured I'd chime in anyways.

 

[gopro]

I'll give some insight for myself.

I'm not around trying to help rookies. New lifters will benefit from anything they do, as we're all aware. I'm interested in helping the guys who want to take things a notch higher and want to begin applying principles themselves. I'll use Cow as an example. Initially, we had our disagreements. But he is interested in advancing his knowledge, which inevitably will help him advance himself as a weightlifter. He is the type of lifter I hope to reach or help. Someone like MonStar. When I first met him he hated deadlifts and his max was sub-400. I introduced him to Westside, gave him some suggestions on things to tweak. Now he's pulling in the 600s both sumo and conventional and his other numbers are phenomenal as well.

When someone says "This does this." I'm not seeking to discredit what they said in all cases. Hell, not in many cases. I simply want to expand on that so the advancing lifters can soak up information and continue to improve themselves mentally and physically.

And I don't think it's too much to ask that the advanced lifters of this board be eager to do the same. That's my take on why these conversations go in such different directions than where they started. And I know I wasn't asked, but I figured I'd chime in anyways.

I look to help everyone at every level...from pure rookies to the very advanced. Look at Tank as an example...he was probably carrying around more muscle than 99% of members on this board when I "met" him, yet, he says that my advice has helped him add even more muscle by breaking a huge plateau, along with taking his physique and overall gains to another level.

I love helping the newbies and I love helping the advanced...as long as I am helping.

 

[CowPimp]

I'll give some insight for myself.

I'm not around trying to help rookies. New lifters will benefit from anything they do, as we're all aware. I'm interested in helping the guys who want to take things a notch higher and want to begin applying principles themselves. I'll use Cow as an example. Initially, we had our disagreements. But he is interested in advancing his knowledge, which inevitably will help him advance himself as a weightlifter. He is the type of lifter I hope to reach or help. Someone like MonStar. When I first met him he hated deadlifts and his max was sub-400. I introduced him to Westside, gave him some suggestions on things to tweak. Now he's pulling in the 600s both sumo and conventional and his other numbers are phenomenal as well.

When someone says "This does this." I'm not seeking to discredit what they said in all cases. Hell, not in many cases. I simply want to expand on that so the advancing lifters can soak up information and continue to improve themselves mentally and physically.

And I don't think it's too much to ask that the advanced lifters of this board be eager to do the same. That's my take on why these conversations go in such different directions than where they started. And I know I wasn't asked, but I figured I'd chime in anyways.

I agree with this logic. The how has already been stated. It is the why which we are trying to understand. Not all the information has to be simplified for those who cannot understand. As well, complex topics can be explained in a manner that can easily be taken in by those who are less advanced.

Those who don't care to get deeper into the topic can just leave off at the how. Those who don't accept the how without a reason behind it can delve into the underlying details. Personally, I like to know why. Just because someone claims something isn't good enough for me. That's why I like getting into the science of physiology and kinetics; it explains why things work a certain way.

 

[CowPimp]

I look to help everyone at every level...from pure rookies to the very advanced. Look at Tank as an example...he was probably carrying around more muscle than 99% of members on this board when I "met" him, yet, he says that my advice has helped him add even more muscle by breaking a huge plateau, along with taking his physique and overall gains to another level.

I love helping the newbies and I love helping the advanced...as long as I am helping.

Well, it would help me if you got into a more detailed explanation as to why squats are optimal for quad hypertrophy in some people, but not in others.

 

[Wannabebig.com]

Oh my goodness, Maki used so many big words!! I don't think I could ever understand what he is saying. Damn, you and Chris are so dang smart! I swear, I wish I were either one of you guys...so educated, so well read, so special. I can't believe that Chris is not the most famous trainer on earth and you are not the most well known writer and award winning bodybuilder. I guess it must because of some unknown scientific reason that even YOU TWO haven't found yet. Well, I'm sure you'll cut and paste something soon about it.

Calm down big guy, there's no need to get your panties in a bunch. I was merely being a bit goofy. I'm sorry if I insulted you, I was just trying to inject a bit of humor into the thread. I wasn't making a stab at you and those words, hell, I just made it up. I don't even have a clue as to what the heck I just said.

Btw, I'm not a bodybuiilder. I have no desire to become one. Just functionally fit will do.

 

[gopro]

Calm down big guy, there's no need to get your panties in a bunch. I was merely being a bit goofy. I'm sorry if I insulted you, I was just trying to inject a bit of humor into the thread. I wasn't making a stab at you and those words, hell, I just made it up. I don't even have a clue as to what the heck I just said.

Btw, I'm not a bodybuiilder. I have no desire to become one. Just functionally fit will do.

Fine...I'm cool with that (and even though your answer made little sense, I think Chris would have accepted it better than anything I have said.).

As to the bodybuilder thing...didn't you tell me you were going to compete? You once asked me about working with you on diet.

 

[gopro]

Well, it would help me if you got into a more detailed explanation as to why squats are optimal for quad hypertrophy in some people, but not in others.

I have answered this already a few times above. If those answers are not satisfying to you, well, then I am sorry about that. To me, its so simplistic and obvious, yet people are looking for such technical explanations. Oh well, maybe its just me.

Do you believe, out of curiosity, that there is one basic exercise per bodypart that is optimal for everyone...or superior to all other movements for that bodypart, for affecting hypertrophy?

 

[pmech]

been there, nice town. yes, i'm up in the sticks, i forgot, where are you now?

Kenosha, down by the border. I want to move back up there, but the IT industry isnt exactly boomin up there.

 

[chris mason]

Hey Gopro, exactly why would 1 exercise not be optimal for everyone?

 

[Arnold]

didn't he already answer that?

 

[Wannabebig.com]

As to the bodybuilder thing...didn't you tell me you were going to compete? You once asked me about working with you on diet.

Yes, that was almost 2 years ago I believe. Things change.