Farm worker pay falls under different regulations. Even if it didn't the overall price increase would not be significant. Which is why I said 50 cents, taking all those things into consideration.
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Here is what i'm getting at. the school system is a big part of the problem. Here is someone who actually sees it first hand and can articulate it.
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So,
What his argument is, is that there are plenty of manual labor jobs out there like plumbing, car mechanic ect. that do not require a college degree.
Ok, so what does someone do when they hit 50+ , are no longer are physically capable of doing heavy manual labor and the only job they are trained for and have 30 years of experience in is plumbing and car mechanics?
Go back to trade school at 50+ and start all over?
OR apply for a part time deli clerk job in a grocery store or a job working at Wal-Mart for 7.50 an hour?
You missed the point again... lol
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Answer my questions.
In this job market, there are millions of people out there that have no skills that are competing for part time low wage jobs.
When Mr. working in what ever trade job hits 50+, is no longer are physically capable of doing heavy manual trade labor and the only job he is trained for and have 30 years of experience in is say plumbing or car mechanics what does he do?
Compete in a job market with millions of people out there that have no skills that are competing for part time low wage jobs?
Most trade jobs that do not require a college degree require some type of heavy physical labor.
That's fine when you are 20 and starting out.
When you hit 50 you will find that you cannot continue doing the physical labor that is required.
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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics less than 3 percent of all workers take home $7.25 or less an hour and half who do are 24 years old or younger. And the vast majority?77 percent ?of minimum wage earners belong to households that are above the poverty line.
See you're looking at this like everyone goes through the exact same thing in life. That's not the case! While it may happen to some it does not happen to all so to answer your specific question doesn't solve or fix the actual problem . This is one of the many reasons why I said you missed the point.
The real issue is that the school system has taught people that they are too good to go to work and get their hands dirty . There's nothing wrong with physical labor. It pays well many times, but at a certain point you do become worn down there's no question about that, my father who has been in the water well drilling industry for over 40 years now is still going quite strong so to say that everyone is shot after 30 years is such a broad generalization that I can't comment on it accurately or fairly. What you're trying to do is prove your point by giving an isolated incident. If someone has 30 years of experience doing something, then they should be able to find a job that is similar but start at a lower pay rate (gasp) or they could go out and do it on their own. After 30+ yrs they have plenty of experience. Most times they don't need an employer if they're free thinking and innovative.
Case in point: The founder of KFC. He did not start KFC until he was in his mid 60's and had, I can't remember either lost or retired from his job. So to say that once you get past 30 years of labor that you can't do anything anymore is simply, untrue
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I know what his point is.
Too many people are going to college and there are "dirty jobs" out there that need to be done that do not require a college degree and pay well.
However many of those "dirty jobs" require heavy physical labor.
That is fine when you are 20 and starting out.
However what about the guy that has done a "dirty job" for 30 years is 50 and can no longer handle the " dirty job" physical labor?
People with a college degree that are sitting in front of a computer doing an office job do not have to worry about that.
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Being an successful entrepreneur requires that someone posses certain social skill innate traits they are born with like an ability to relate to and communicate with other people on their level, the ability to 'sell' concepts to other people and a type of intelligence that allows them to start up and manage a business.
It requires a 'business mind' to get a business off the ground.
Many people do not have that type of intelligence and those communication skills.
As to your point about KFC, the guy in the video was talking about dirty jobs that do not require a college degree.
Most jobs like that require heavy physical labor.
I doubt that "Colonel Saunders" was a car mechanic or a plumber doing heavy manual trade labor when he hit 60 and started KFC.
I really want yo see if the obese and free loaders that are on disability (but don't really need it)will still buy a big Mac if it doubles. They would probably only afford half of what they usually eat monthly but at least they don't get as much trans-fats 
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So you would rather tell me that its too hard ,or because your not borne with "it" then to forget about the possibility... you can always learn and improve yourself.
The KFC reference was off the top of my head and I am about 90%sure that he was an auto mechanic (physical labor) before starting KFC so that is an exact answer to your question.
Mike was not saying you have to do this at all. he was saying that there are many unfilled jobs but that you should be willing to work smart and hard at whatever you apply yourself to, and not to develop the mentality that you are above or too good for something. The schools teach you to look down on physical labor because it makes college look better. But in reality many people go to work at labor jobs and retire from them and have nice lives despite not sitting at a desk rotting away for 30 years, then one day looking up when they loose their jobs and realizing they can't or won't do something else because they are EDUCATED AND HAVE A DEGREE... my Father in law is going through this right now. It sucks for him but he has his head so far up his own ass the he is his own worst enemy.
So on one side of my family I have my father who works very hard and is healthy and doing fine. and on the other is my father in law who worked at a desk job for Chrysler, retired lost his money and is living off of SS and has been looking for a job for over a year. he just got one as an auto parts driver, at min wage. its all in mindset and determination. if my father in law had kept up with the times, learned computers and such then he would have found a job faster. instead he says I don't need that, and sat on his ass watching TV for 6 yrs. So when he finally decided to get a job and all applications were online he was totally fucked. he said to me I'll just go apply in person. guess what he found out about that tactic? all the employers said sure sit at this computer and fill out the application, lol. So he was screwed.
The KFC reference was off the top of my head and I am about 90%sure that he was an auto mechanic (physical labor) before starting KFC so that is an exact answer to your question.
Mike was not saying you have to do this at all. he was saying that there are many unfilled jobs but that you should be willing to work smart and hard at whatever you apply yourself to, and not to develop the mentality that you are above or too good for something. The schools teach you to look down on physical labor because it makes college look better. But in reality many people go to work at labor jobs and retire from them and have nice lives despite not sitting at a desk rotting away for 30 years, then one day looking up when they loose their jobs and realizing they can't or won't do something else because they are EDUCATED AND HAVE A DEGREE... my Father in law is going through this right now. It sucks for him but he has his head so far up his own ass the he is his own worst enemy.
So on one side of my family I have my father who works very hard and is healthy and doing fine. and on the other is my father in law who worked at a desk job for Chrysler, retired lost his money and is living off of SS and has been looking for a job for over a year. he just got one as an auto parts driver, at min wage. its all in mindset and determination. if my father in law had kept up with the times, learned computers and such then he would have found a job faster. instead he says I don't need that, and sat on his ass watching TV for 6 yrs. So when he finally decided to get a job and all applications were online he was totally fucked. he said to me I'll just go apply in person. guess what he found out about that tactic? all the employers said sure sit at this computer and fill out the application, lol. So he was screwed.
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there are overpopulated skilled labor positions just like all those office jobs
like welding and hvac
like welding and hvac
Having a degree, even in liberal arts, is not a bad thing. Just don't let it change your perspective. Always get that degree. You may not use it, I haven't used mine, but it can help in ways you never expect. My degree is in business management and for seventeen years I worked as a test technician, turning a wrench and getting dirty. After all that time I'm now getting positioned to move up to bigger and better. Being a test technician payed well, taught me skills I can use (and barter with in SHTF scenarios), and I greatly enjoyed breaking other people's stuff and getting paid for it. Why get the degree? My current boss is management, but he doesn't qualify for the serious bonuses because he doesn't have a degree in anything. I'm working to take over when he retires. I'll get the bonuses he can't get.
Worst (or best) case if I leave for one reason or another that degree is a talking point in an interview that shows I can adapt and succeed. And should I go work for, say GM, I will get hired direct. No contract work for me. To be hired direct at GM requires a degree, any bachelor degree or higher. So if I hired in as a technician I'd be one of the very few direct hires. Contract people get let go first when things get bad.
Worst (or best) case if I leave for one reason or another that degree is a talking point in an interview that shows I can adapt and succeed. And should I go work for, say GM, I will get hired direct. No contract work for me. To be hired direct at GM requires a degree, any bachelor degree or higher. So if I hired in as a technician I'd be one of the very few direct hires. Contract people get let go first when things get bad.
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Good points.
We have a situation where more people are told to get their degree because more employers are requiring it and more employers are requiring it because there's a surplus of graduates. While as an individual getting a degree is probably a good idea, I'm not sure that the government should be promoting this practice of everyone getting a degree.
I have no sympathy for the guy. He picked jobs that have no potential of advancement. And I doubt he knows how to work hard. Look at him. Most people simply don't want to work hard. I have been fired twice in my life, and once I ended up on unemployment. I was an engineer but was working construction and other manual labor jobs most people would not take. I delivered paint in the 120 degree Phoenix summers into metal sheds that were 150 degrees. I now own my own law firm. Too many employees are straight 8-5 and not an ounce extra of effort. And then they gripe that they deserve more.
many people have the mindset where a higher education is only about becoming more economically profitable, that's not what the higher education was meant to be about. historically a scholar is also supposed to be about public work that that engages people in the arts, design, and humanities fields and in important and often transformative leadership roles. It's also supposed to be about work or study that embodies and advances cultural ideals and values such as democracy, diversity, and equity.
That's one of the many problems with America, life isn't supposed to be all about economics and profits and that's exactly part of the problem of why the country is headed down the path it is.
and what does SSA data from 2010 show? that 66% of the US workforce is earning less than $40K a year or an inflation adjusted $23K in 1990's dollars. 40% earns less than $20K or an inflation adjusted $11K in 1990's dollars.
This "might" be causing a problem with aggregate demand.
Wage Statistics for 2010
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Can we go back to the original premise of the thread?
The guy in the video was associated with "Dirty Jobs".
The premise is that Dirty Jobs are out there that do not require a college degree and that "schools" have sold people on the idea that a college degree is required to work at a job that provides a good living.
However there are other factors involved than just that there are "Dirty Jobs" out there that do not require a college degree.
Trade jobs usually require heavy manual labor.
Most people that have worked at trade jobs that require heavy manual labor will testify as to what doing that type of job day in and day out for years will do to someone.
Most people cannot continue do those jobs when they hit 50+.
Most people are clueless as to how much money is required for a comfortable retirement over say a 20 year retirement period.
Someone is not eligible for reduced Social Security benefits until they hit 62.
That problem is compounded by the fact that someone is not eligible for Medicare until they hit 65.
Medical expenses for people over 65 can be astronomical.
Most people making an income of around 100k and working at a trade job for 30 years will probably not have saved enough money to retire at 50.
Someone assuming they live until 80 making say 100k a year they would probably need to have saved at least *8 their salary (800k) to be able to fund a comfortable retirement over a 20 year retirement period.
At a very minimum, they would have needed to save at least 80% of their 100k a year income *8 to be able to have a comfortable retirement.
That 80% minimum assumes that both Social Security and Medicare will be maintained at their current benefit levels which is unlikely.
If they retire at 50 after working 30 years, assuming they live until 80, then they would have to accumulate enough money to fund a 30 year retirement.
If they were paying on a mortgage, putting their kids through college ect. then they are going to be limited as to how much of their income after expenses they can afford to put away for retirement.
You do the math.
At 100k a year if they retire at 50 after working 30 years and managed to be able to save 10% of their salary a year how much would they have accumulated for retirement over a 30 year period?
Will they have accumulated at the minimum at least 800k for retirement?
Most people do not get defined pensions anymore, so even if their employer has provided a 401k to them, if the market tanks just before they retire like it did in 2008, then they are fucked.
Most people lost at least 45% of their retirement account values if their retirement account contained mutual funds that were invested in the stock market.
People need to think about all of the above before they draw conclusions and if they do not want to be eating dog food in retirement need to do some research as to how much money is required at their income level to be able to replace at least 80% of their income over a 30 year retirement period.
Especially considering the facts that both Medicare and Social Security are running out of money and those benefits in the near future are probably going to be reduced for anyone that will not retire within 5 years.
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People that do not think about what is going on are going to be fucked.
Anyone that thinks that someone making 100k over a 30 year career can afford a comfortable retirement starting at 50 if they manage to put away 10% a year (10k) of their income in a 401k retirement account is an idiot.
They are the ones that in retirement will be voting for socialist politicians as they will be totally dependent on the mercies of Government for their survival when they run out of money.
Anyone that thinks that someone making 100k over a 30 year career can afford a comfortable retirement starting at 50 if they manage to put away 10% a year (10k) of their income in a 401k retirement account is an idiot.
They are the ones that in retirement will be voting for socialist politicians as they will be totally dependent on the mercies of Government for their survival when they run out of money.
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I have one observation: he can land four part-time jobs but not one full-time job? Part-timers tend to make less than their full-time counterparts. I think his lack of ability to commit to a full-time job is a symptom of his real problem. And before you pipe in with, "Maybe there aren't any full-time jobs at Jimmy Johns", I give you: full-time jobs for Jimmy Johnson in Kansas City, Missouri.
And this is why Bingham, and the people like him, will remain at the bottom no matter how much the minimum wage is raised. Also, get a Liberal Arts degree during a recession was just one of many poor choices this guy has made.
Having said that, I think that the minimum wage is due for a goodly raise. Back in the 60s or 70s (I can't remember which) they took the prices of a home and a car out of the calculations used to arrive at the amount the minimum wage should be. That is just as messed up at Bingham's choices. The minimum wage was a number used to make sure that companies had to pay enough for their employees to subsist. The minimum wage no longer meets that requirement therefor it needs to be raised.
And this is why Bingham, and the people like him, will remain at the bottom no matter how much the minimum wage is raised. Also, get a Liberal Arts degree during a recession was just one of many poor choices this guy has made.
Having said that, I think that the minimum wage is due for a goodly raise. Back in the 60s or 70s (I can't remember which) they took the prices of a home and a car out of the calculations used to arrive at the amount the minimum wage should be. That is just as messed up at Bingham's choices. The minimum wage was a number used to make sure that companies had to pay enough for their employees to subsist. The minimum wage no longer meets that requirement therefor it needs to be raised.
If your working the same position for 50 plus years there is a problem. Just as if you work for McD's at 18 and still work the cash reg at 50 years old there is an issue. Plenty of people in the past busted there ass until they are 65, my grandpa drove trucks past retirement age. The thing is if you dont want to be put in that situation and work your ass off your entire life maybe you should sit down and think about what options you have. There are so many gov't funded education programs out there its stupid. Get a degree in civil service and go work for the country. CPS pays close to 80k a year just going over paperwork and managing the system but you need a degree.
if you dont like the pay at your job then bust your ass to get a better job.
yes but how is it our responsibility as tax payers and responsible citizens to ensure they are financially taken care of. If I sacrifice allot of wants in my life to ensure i can live comfortably where another family does not but ends up living off the gov't why should i be held responsible for their actions and not them? I would love a PS4, a new cell phone, new shoes, and ect. My wife drives a beat up explorer but its paid off and i consider our selves upper middle class. People need to start living with what they need and not what they want. My opinion if you can not pay cash for something that will not return revenue then you do not need it.
This is a fundamental flaw in the anti-raise the minimum wage crowd. Raising employees wages is peanuts compared to removing the subsidies that allow shitty food to be sold for nothing. If you are against gov't intervention you should be against fast food establishments, yet they are held up as a beacon of capitalistic success. They're more on the tit than the employees they aren't paying for shit. People don't understand this because they don't think past the, "That dude who didn't go to college is making 5 cents more than me" logic. I say raise the minimum wage for these people, Americans over-consuming this garbage is one of the reasons our healthcare tab is so high which is why I don't eat fast food. Personally I would prefer elimination of the subsidies, but that ain't happening and these companies do provide jobs. With the subsidies provided to them as well as the fact that a chunk of their employees have to go on welfare they are essentially double dipping. So who's the bigger scumbag, the employee who is using the system to just get by and eat or the company that is reliant on both to provide their CEO with a 5th vacation home and pay a dividend to stockholders?
And it's a completely different era today in the U.S where unproductive financial capital now leads the economy which is no longer supported by labor. An economy which gets markedly worse after each recession. The liberalization of labor in the US only insures one thing, that things are only going to get worse and never better for the majority as the rate of poverty constantly increases and wages remain flat.
