Is it ok to use Caffiene and creatine (CEX)?

[BillytK03]

I like to take a strong cup of black coffee w/ a half bottle of Redline RTD pre-wo, then perform 20 min moderate cardio and take 6 g's Cex w/ 10 g's Arginine malate before I start my lifting. (Cardio before my lifting session works great for me!)

**Will the caffeine in the coffee or ingrediants in the Redline RTD negate the effects of the CEX and Arginine combo?..................

 

[BillytK03]

anyone? Gopro???????

 

[Pepper]

What is "no?"

I'll have "stupid questions" for $500, please.

 

[BigTex]

Here's a good article on forbidden supplement stacks:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/johnforb.htm

 

[Curlingcadys]

I really like this paragraph from that link, it could probably save a lot of thread posting if it was the "cover page" to the training section........

"You want to lose some unnecessary fat pounds ladies and gentlemen? Fine, take your fat burner, reduce your calories, and increase your cardio! You want to gain some muscle pounds? Take a good Creatine supplement, and increase your food consumption! You want to get more muscles, but at the same time you want to lose some unnecessary pounds? Sorry, out of the question! Decide what you want to do first, and don't believe the hype: "l got 10 muscle pounds in 8 weeks, and at the same time l lost 20 fat pounds"! (Yeah right!)"

 

[soxmuscle]

What is "no?"

I'll have "stupid questions" for $500, please.

That article seems to think your the mislead one

[size=-1]I will talk about Creatine again, but this time with Caffeine. DO NOT take Creatine and Caffeine at the same time. A team of Belgian researchers investigated the effect of taking creatine supplements with caffeine. The researchers recruited nine men who did regular recreational exercise, but were not at a high level of training. Each man then undertook a series of three regimes, allocated in a random order, with a three-week break in between. At no stage did the men know whether they were taking caffeine, creatine or placebo. [/size] [size=-1]The timetables were as follows: [/size]

[size=-1]A: Creatine loading for six days, taking 0.5g of creatine monohydrate per kg of body weight per day
B: Placebo pills for 6 days
C: Creatine loading as in A, plus taking a dose of caffeine at breakfast in the last 3 days of loading. Caffeine dose was 5mg caffeine per kg of body weight (for a 70kg man, the equivalent of 3 strong cups of ground coffee, or 7 cups of tea). [/size]

[size=-1]Muscle creatine phosphate levels were measured before and after each regime. In addition, a series of tests to analyse muscular force were carried out on the subjects by making measurements during a standardized sequence of knee extension exercises. When creatine supplements were given, knee muscle force was boosted significantly, as would be expected given the raised muscle levels of creatine phosphate. But, guess what happened! Although caffeine-plus-creatine raised muscle phosphocreatine levels above placebo, the boost to muscle performance seen with creatine alone was completely missing! Reference: "Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading", Vandenberghe et al, J Appl Physiol, vol 80, pp452-457, 1996. [/size]

[size=-1]Solution: It is better if you weight train after your breakfast, forgeting coffee at that time. If you train at the afternoon, avoid drinking coffee before you leave from your work. Try to have at least 4-5 hours difference between your coffee and your Creatine serving for better results. (Caffeine stays in your system longer than most other stimulants. Half the caffeine you drink in a cup of coffee may still be coursing through your veins four hours later). So for any one of you that is taking a loading phase of Creatine, forget coffee for 4-5 days. [/size]

 

[GFR]

I really like this paragraph from that link, it could probably save a lot of thread posting if it was the "cover page" to the training section........

"You want to lose some unnecessary fat pounds ladies and gentlemen? Fine, take your fat burner, reduce your calories, and increase your cardio! You want to gain some muscle pounds? Take a good Creatine supplement, and increase your food consumption! You want to get more muscles, but at the same time you want to lose some unnecessary pounds? Sorry, out of the question! Decide what you want to do first, and don't believe the hype: "l got 10 muscle pounds in 8 weeks, and at the same time l lost 20 fat pounds"! (Yeah right!)"

On a steroid cycle that is easy.