is it possible to come back from the darkside?

[desmorris]

may be you can come back rom darkness. i think that every one did. that not tough.

 

[Bnjf]

Great topic guys. I have done one cycle a year for about 6 years now. Always in the spring/summer. This year, im not gonna do one and try to stay off for good. I say try because i DO enjoy them, i just would feel better mentally staying off. Now, i never ever took the advice of the internet bro science and always did "low dose" cycles and was happy with a little boost instead of all out blowing up. Id gain 10 or so pounds and be at 170 and look great! Im 5’9" and ive always been muscular lean/skinny. The problem is that not on the juice, like many, id lose interest and slow down or stop working out all together. I kept up working out over the winter and i weigh 165 right now. Im very happy and know for sure i can hit 170 or more at some point. I think the problem is that people take soo much juice and get soo far past their genetic potential, they get used to looking like that and have to keep going or even want to keep up an image they have created. Its unfortunate. I was glad i got close to my potential and thats all because now i think i can keep it up naturally and be more healthy . Btw im 38 and had bloodwork a month ago. My total test was 600. Im fine with that . So i dont think low doses are going to effect you long term. I do think doing 3 or 4 cycles a year will though. I used to hate when people said juicers are lazy but i gotra tell you, in a way thats true..at least all the people i have known.

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[brundel]

Bro....All the guys Im around are "juicers".
They are some of the most dedicated, hard working men on earth.
Steroids dont just automatically make you a champion.

You have done 6 cycles and have gained 5lbs? Is this correct?
I can gain 5lbs clean in a week by eating trail mix every night before bed.
Its not the steroids that makes a champion. Its hard work. The people you know who are lazy, are not bodybuilders.
Bodybuilding is a 24/7 365 sport.
If you half ass it
if you quit
nothing happens. This is how after 6 cycles your no better off than never having done one.

Im not trying to attack you but saying bodybuilders are lazy because they use steroids is just ignorance.
I know more than a few. Pro and non. Not one of em is lazy.
All of em put every ounce of themselves heart and soul into the sport. Even the non competitors.

Trust me. Steroids are only the finishing touch unless your 1 in a million like some of the top guys.

 

[Bnjf]

Yes, this is correct. I didnt do it right by slacking off when my strength gains subsided after cycle. This DOES happen and many get "lazy" because of it. Ive seen it man. In no way im saying "everyone". I agree that "bodybuilders" are dedicated. But what is the percentage of users who are actual bodybuilders use ? At my gym..1. That's it. The majority that use are people using for an image or looks. You must be around pros all day but I'm around the average Joe user. I. HAVE been around some that have used three or so cycles a year and theyre all on cholesterol and high blood pressure meds. I did a cycle a year and was never dedicated so its not for me..I gained 20lbs my first and about 10-15 every other. But youre right, you must be more dedicated to get bigger and stronger. I wasn't willing to take any risks with numorous cycles a year because I'm not competing and IMO it ain't worth it. So for the occassional user I'd say its no problem to come back. For the hard cores I'd say not so easy to recover. And gaining 5lbs in a week for my body type ain't happening eating trail mix. Lmao!

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[brundel]

THere is a risk/reward thats for certain.
THe more you use and the longer the more unhealthy it is.

I agree if I start thinking about the "summer" oral cycle guys around here.
There are a ton of guys who will run var or win cycles during the summer then just stop training during the rest of the year.
They look the same every year (not bad) but always stagnant or terrible and out of shape the rest of the year because their heart really isnt into it.
The gym I train at is pretty much all Bodybuilders and quite a few pros. Even the girls are bigger than most of the summer var cycle guys.

Im a hard gainer as well. Part of the reason why I started using gear in the first place.
Recently I had a cardiac arrest. Yes steroids may have played a part in it.
Now Im forced to be natural and .....come back from the darkside after a long time using and the last 5 years on with no breaks.

I believe that I can get back to my on cycle size with no steroids.
Just food.
I wont be as lean for certain but Ill be big as I want to ever be.
Im gonna run a log of it once Im cleared for training again.

10 weeks off so far....its killing me.

Itll be a testament. Can you come back. We will see for sure cause Im gonna give everything I have to it and see where I land.

 

[Bnjf]

Wow man God bless you and Im glad you're ok. This is part of the reason I didn't want to get too crazy and stay on too long. I tell ya there is no doubt you'll be back and healthier than ever IMO . I've been eating very strict and making solid gains because of it. Before I'd not paid so much attention to nutrition as I knew the juice was always on the clock for me LOL. But now I'm relying on the food and protien. I'm sure you'll be back better than ever man..good luck to you and keep us up to date!

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[jshel12]

THere is a risk/reward thats for certain.
THe more you use and the longer the more unhealthy it is.

I agree if I start thinking about the "summer" oral cycle guys around here.
There are a ton of guys who will run var or win cycles during the summer then just stop training during the rest of the year.
They look the same every year (not bad) but always stagnant or terrible and out of shape the rest of the year because their heart really isnt into it.
The gym I train at is pretty much all Bodybuilders and quite a few pros. Even the girls are bigger than most of the summer var cycle guys.

Im a hard gainer as well. Part of the reason why I started using gear in the first place.
Recently I had a cardiac arrest. Yes steroids may have played a part in it.
Now Im forced to be natural and .....come back from the darkside after a long time using and the last 5 years on with no breaks.

I believe that I can get back to my on cycle size with no steroids.
Just food.
I wont be as lean for certain but Ill be big as I want to ever be.
Im gonna run a log of it once Im cleared for training again.

10 weeks off so far....its killing me.

Itll be a testament. Can you come back. We will see for sure cause Im gonna give everything I have to it and see where I land.

First off good luck with everything hope your health continues to improve and you make it all the way back. Are you gonna be on trt or are you 100% natural. And if you are 100% natural are you going to do an aggressive pct (hcg, clomid, aromasin, etc) to try and get your natural test levels back. Reason I ask is i have been blasting and cruising for a little over a year and did various cycles starting at age 23 before that. Since I'm only 29 and I recently found out my kideys were leaking some protein,(nothing major according to my nephroligist but I obviously don't want my conition to worsen) I think I could still come off and recover but it will be very difficult if I keep it up for another couple of years. I'm debating on using 150-200mgs a week for life or doing a long aggressive pct. Either way I'm done with orals and will just cycle moderate dosages of test and tren, eventually dropping tren altogether.

 

[brundel]

Im on HRT. 200mg cyp per week. Well 100mg e3d to keep my levels stable. It really makes a big difference.
200 every 7 days give a big spike and I feel shitty by day 5.
any ways...
HRT for life is a decision I made a few years ago.

Another decision I made years ago was no orals...they just destroy you.
I will remain on HRT. and perhaps some FOrmeron to keep estro in check.
My last cycle was almost 3g of injectables so hrt dose is nothing to me.

I feel great though. It keeps my mood and libido in place.

 

[brundel]

This is why Im lurking around the natty forum now....Im gonna have to train natural.
I do know that growth is calorie related. Im just gonna have to fight harder to keep the fat off.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

200mg of hg test is not natty really.and i think the worded it wroung he said people that use steriods are lazy.if you use steriods and are lazy you are weird not the norm when i am steriods i am an animal when i am off is when i get lazy gear makes you not lazy would be more right.

 

[Bnjf]

200mg of hg test is not natty really.and i think the worded it wroung he said people that use steriods are lazy.if you use steriods and are lazy you are weird not the norm when i am steriods i am an animal when i am off is when i get lazy gear makes you not lazy would be more right.

That's exactly what I was saying

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[jimm]

this is a question i ask my self atleast 10 times a day right now lol ive been off for about 6 weeks iv got some test e and tri tren that talk to me all the time..

hmm might just wait a week or 2 max and get that tren back in full effect!!!!

 

[brundel]

200mg weekly is what the Dr gives me.
My cycles were more than 10x that much gear.
Going back from that 200mg is nothing.

I guess well see.
Im gonna run a log when I can train again.
GOnna try to get back to the same size as I was before....without the drugs.

 

[andyrodgers]

Getting the green days again are difficult but you can try,,