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Jenny...I couldn't find the thread so here it is...it's very own thread.

Read this article over....great info from EXTREMELY RELIABLE sources.

THEORY

a) Sodium loading:

It takes the body about 36 hours to achieve sodium balance after sodium intake has been altered. Water follows sodium. So when you load, you bloat for a few days then lose the water despite the higher sodium intake as the body is now dumping sodium and the water. When you cut your sodium down but not out, the body continues dumping sodium and water goes with it (natural diuresis). That is the concept behind sodium loading, and timing is everything.

B) Carb loading:

The reason carbs fill you out is because water follows carbs into the muscle. One gram of carbohydrate will draw 2.8 grams of water in with it. No water = much less carb load effect (hardness and fullness), so it makes no sense to carb up in a dehydrated state or without water.

Once carbs are in the muscle as glycogen they stay there unless used for exercise, unlike liver glycogen that can be released into the blood. Thus, if you are loaded a day out from the show, you'll stay that way unless you deplete the glycogen with high intensity exercise (which no one would do the day before a show) or become severely dehydrated.

Never cut sodium or water out completely. It isn't necessary and probably counterproductive. If you screw up you'll end up avascular (no vascularity), flat, exhausted and cramping.

Spill over as it is termed isn't really spill over of anything. It is the effect of elevated insulin when carb loading that increases water retention and sub-q water (water between the skin and muscles).

PROCEDURE (assuming Saturday morning prejudge):

1) Begin sodium loading about 8 - 10 days out from prejudging. You'll blow up for a couple of days, then the water will come off. You are now in sodium balance.

2) Monday and Tuesday prior to prejudge, keep carbs low but not zero and work all your body parts. Water intake should be high.

3) Wed and Thurs begin carbing up with low to moderate GI carbs (oatmeal, sweet potato, or brown rice) in small amounts. Keep water intake high. You should be filled out by Thursday night.

4) 36 hrs out from prejudge, cut the sodium by 2/3, but not completely. Friday cut your water intake in about ½ (50% of levels consumed on Monday - Thursday). Couple of liters should be fine. No carbs on Friday, just protein and fat (food sources), no whey drinks or anything that can increase insulin. You should be dumping water at this point (urinating) and be careful not to eat foods that will bloat the gut or give you gas (greens). The only thing you want to increase in your muscle at this point is intramuscular triglycerides.

5) Only practice posing on Friday.

6) Sat morning, only sip water unless you are flat or have no vascularity.

7) It is best to run through this to make adjustments in timing, amount of carbs, water, sodium etc. It has to be fine tuned to your metabolism. Everyone is different; this is only a guideline.

8) Trial run this about a month out from the show when you are relatively lean. See what happens.
 
thanks alot hun....i will use this approach for the shoot and let you know how it works ;) if it works i will try it at the show :D
 
K...you said it before I finished reading your post...be sure to do the trial run...AND whatever you do....don't cut the sodium any sooner or you'll rebound...36 hrs:)
 
36 hours it is. that would make it wed at lunch. i was thinking of starting my uva ursi and dandelion on tue. thoughts?
 
When is the photoshoot....Friday morning?

If so I wouldn't bother with any diuretics until you stop sodium loading and begin water depletion...really no point. What I would do is take WAY more than recommended once I satrted them...for example if it says 1-2 3 times a day I would at least double it....what you mentionned is VERY VERY mild so I would up the doses.

Have you ever experimented with "real" diuretics...just curious?
 
photoshoot is as follows:
Friday: outdoor and in gym workout shoot
Saturday: at beach in ice water shoot with men :D
Sunday: in a classy club doing lingerae stuff

I was going to stop salt loading on Wed and start cutting the water to 2.5 on Thur.
If i find taraxatone by then i will take the recommended dose.
If i have to resort to Uva Ursi and Dandelion then i will up it.
If i get a dr.s note then i will try it....back up just in case...i will go to the dr. and beg :D

I have never tried an rx but will if i have to.
 
Oh man, lingerie...:thumb:
 
Jenny...I can mail you a couple if you like??? I have easy access since my mother is prescribed HYDROCHLOROTHIAZIDE. I also have Lasix on hand.

PM me if you would like the help...not a problem...you wouldn't need much. If you're shooting over that long I think I'd avoid sodium loading AND carb loading and just come in tight with a diet of protein and vegies. You're time frame is too wide to mess with electrolytes like that.

How much water are you taking in on Monday ro Wednesday....lay it out so I see what your plan is...don't wanna give advice w/o full info.

BTW...I'm jealous of the lucky guys on Saturday...lol
 
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Originally posted by Fit Freak
Jenny...I can mail you a couple if you like??? I have easy access since my mother is prescribed HYDROCHLOROTHIAZIDE. I also have Lasix on hand.

PM me if you would like the help...not a problem...you wouldn't need much. If you're shooting over that long I think I'd avoid sodium loading AND carb loading and just come in tight with a diet of protein and vegies. You're time frame is too wide to mess with electrolytes like that.

How much water are you taking in on Monday ro Wednesday....lay it out so I see what your plan is...don't wanna give advice w/o full info.

BTW...I'm jealous of the lucky guys on Saturday...lol

I dont want to play with Lasix just in case. A friend told me to try Aldactazide....50mg a day for 3 days.
As i said before i have been loading for monthes and so i am not going to blow up anymore :lol:

The plan was:
Now 5 liters
Keep all my crazy salt til Wed
Wed drop most of salt and drop water to 2.5 liters
Thur drop salt except eggs and go to about 1 liter
Friday- Sunday have fruit and mini water
 
aldactone dear 25 mgs moring 25 mgs 8 hours later. All it does is blocks sodium for people that are lazy to sodium watch last few days or final week
 
Originally posted by Fit Freak
If you're shooting over that long I think I'd avoid sodium loading AND carb loading and just come in tight with a diet of protein and vegies. You're time frame is too wide to mess with electrolytes like that.

FF,
Here's a scenario for you. I'm going to the beach in July for a week. I'm currently carb-cycling with great success. A week from going to the beach should I start eating just protein and veggies to look as tight as possible at the beach or just stay with my current diet all the way through. Also, how about using any diuretics a couple of days before going to the beach. I guess my point is, is their anyway of staying tight the entire week, not just the first day or so.
 
FF...this looks solid! I'm gonna print it and show it to our trainer for the last week to see what he thinks. Pretty much what we did lasttime except the carb portion.
 
Originally posted by bludevil
FF,
Here's a scenario for you. I'm going to the beach in July for a week. I'm currently carb-cycling with great success. A week from going to the beach should I start eating just protein and veggies to look as tight as possible at the beach or just stay with my current diet all the way through. Also, how about using any diuretics a couple of days before going to the beach. I guess my point is, is their anyway of staying tight the entire week, not just the first day or so.

You can't "peak" for an entire week. You can stay tight for a week.

First, the day before the "week" cut out all salt. Don't load before though, just eat normal.

Second, don't cut carbs, but you'll want to eat a moderate amount of carbs daily, no High Carb days. If you are following my diet, have a No Carb day the day before the week begins, and then alternate between No and Low Carb days. You can have a High Carb day near the end of the week.

Third, take a low dose herbal diuretic all week, starting the day before.

Fourth, drink a ton of water all week.

That should do nicely. For the hardcore, an estrogen blocker like 6-oxo or nolva would do well.
 
Thanks for the reply TP. I'll definately follow your points. The only question I have is why would I drink a lot of water plus take herbal diuretic all week. Wouldn't that counter-act each other.
 
The body likes homeostatis.

When it is getting lots of water, it feels no need to store it, so you excrete what is not used.

When it is deprived of water, it holds on to as much as it can.

Since you are looking for a week long "peak" it is not advisable to drop water as you would on a one day peak, since your body will adjust.
 
Sorry...guess I missed this one...but as far as "peaking" for the beach...I'm not going there again...lol

Hard...I totally agree...aldactone is a total waste...if she doesn't want to use Lasix then Hydrochlorothiazide (thiazide family) will do the same thing basically with less side effects.

Lasix is a bit strong...being a loop diuretic...as for aldactone..like you said...cut your own sodium and keep an eye on your potassium levels and you'll be ok.

Glad to see you guys found this info helpful...remember it is very specific for peaking ONE time and ONE TIME ONLY. You will only hold it for a day tops.
 
Catch it while you can, Flex.
 
caught and copied!

Akateros said:
Catch it while you can, Flex.
Got it! Many thanks.
 
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