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NEW YORK ??? A federal judge on Monday struck down a $285 million settlement that Citigroup reached with the Securities and Exchange Commission, saying he couldn't tell whether the deal was fair and criticizing regulators for shielding the public from the details of what the firm did wrong.

U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff said the public has a right to know what happens in cases that touch on "the transparency of financial markets whose gyrations have so depressed our economy and debilitated our lives." In such cases, the SEC has a responsibility to ensure that the truth emerges, he wrote.

Rakoff said he had spent hours trying to assess the settlement but concluded that he had not been given "any proven or admitted facts upon which to exercise even a modest degree of independent judgment." He called the settlement "neither fair, nor reasonable, nor adequate, nor in the public interest."

The SEC had accused the bank of betting against a complex mortgage investment in 2007 ??? making $160 million in the process ??? while investors lost millions. The settlement would have imposed penalties on Citigroup (C) even as it allowed the company to deny allegations that it misled investors.
The SEC allowed the consent judgment settling the case to be filed the same day it filed its lawsuit against Citigroup, the judge noted.

"It is harder to discern from the limited information before the court what the SEC is getting from this settlement other than a quick headline," the judge wrote.

"In much of the world, propaganda reigns, and truth is confined to secretive, fearful whispers," Rakoff said. "Even in our nation, apologists for suppressing or obscuring the truth may always be found. But the SEC, of all agencies, has a duty, inherent in its statutory mission, to see that the truth emerges; and if it fails to do so, this court must not, in the name of deference or convenience, grant judicial enforcement to the agency's contrivances."

He set a July 16 trial date for the case.

Citi said it was reviewing the decision and declined to comment. The SEC did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In the civil lawsuit filed last month, the SEC said Citigroup traders discussed the possibility of buying financial instruments to essentially bet on the failure of the mortgage assets. Rating agencies downgraded most of the investments just as many troubled homeowners stopped paying their mortgages in late 2007. That pushed the investment into default and cost its buyers' ??? hedge funds and investment managers ??? several hundred million dollars in losses.

Earlier this month, Rakoff staged a hearing in which he asked lawyers on both sides to defend the settlement.

At the hearing, Rakoff questioned whether freeing Citigroup of any admission of liability could undermine private claims by investors who stand to recover only $95 million in penalties on total losses of $700 million.
This wasn't the first time that the judge struck down an SEC settlement with a bank, and he has made no secret of his disdain for settlements between the government agency and banks for paltry sums and no admission of guilt.

"The SEC's longstanding policy ??? hallowed by history, but not by reason ??? of allowing defendants to enter into consent judgments without admitting or denying the underlying allegations, deprives the court of even the most minimal assurance that the substantial injunctive relief it is being asked to impose has any basis in fact," he wrote in Monday's decision.

In 2009, Rakoff rejected a $33 million settlement between the SEC and Bank of America calling it a breach of "justice and morality." The deal was over civil charges accusing the bank of misleading shareholders when it acquired Merrill Lynch during the height of the financial crisis in 2008 by failing to disclose it was paying up to $5.8 billion in bonuses to employees even as it recorded a $27.6 billion yearly loss.

In February 2010, he approved an amended settlement for over four times the original amount, but was caustic in his comments about the $150 million pact, calling it "half-baked justice at best." He said the court approved it "while shaking its head."

Citigroup's $285 million would represent the largest amount to be paid by a Wall Street firm accused of misleading investors since Goldman Sachs & Co. agreed to pay $550 million to settle similar charges last year. JPMorgan Chase & Co. resolved similar charges in June and paid $153.6 million.
All the cases have involved complex investments called collateralized debt obligations. Those are securities that are backed by pools of other assets, such as mortgages.

Rakoff's ruling Monday was the latest in a series of setbacks for the SEC under the leadership of Chairman Mary Schapiro. Rakoff has said he doesn't believe the agency has been sufficiently tough in its enforcement deals with Wall Street banks over their conduct prior to the financial crisis.

The SEC told Rakoff recently that $285 million was a fair penalty, which will go to investors harmed by Citigroup's conduct, and that it was close to what the agency would have won in a trial.

AP business writers Pallavi Gogoi in New York and Marcy Gordon in Washington contributed to this report.
 
I don't recall Obama being in office in 2007. do you know what the SEC did between 2001 and 2009? nothing, their case load dropped from 70 in 2001 to less than 10 in 2007. banking deregulation is the pre-cursor to every banking collapse in the world.
 
I don't recall Obama being in office in 2007. do you know what the SEC did between 2001 and 2009? nothing, their case load dropped from 70 in 2001 to less than 10 in 2007. banking deregulation is the pre-cursor to every banking collapse in the world.

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I mean, it's not like he's in office now, making shit decisions...
 
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I mean, it's not like he's in office now, making shit decisions...

the decisions made under GWB will effect the world for decades. how exactly does one undue that?
 
the decisions made under GWB will effect the world for decades. how exactly does one undue that?
For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

You also don't fill your administration with cronies from some of the worst companies in the country who screw over the people to pad their back accounts. You know, the people that you say you oppose.

And, this is really easy to understand, you don't damn well continue to do the same shit that Bush did. And, this shit get's crazy, you don't continue the same shit and get to blame your predecessor!
 
For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

You also don't fill your administration with cronies from some of the worst companies in the country who screw over the people to pad their back accounts. You know, the people that you say you oppose.

And, this is really easy to understand, you don't damn well continue to do the same shit that Bush did. And, this shit get's crazy, you don't continue the same shit and get to blame your predecessor!

I agree with all of this. Of everyone running for president, who is not going to do the same shit Bush a Obama did?
 
For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

and why would you believe that considering why we put troops there in the first place.

The CIA has had people in northern Africa for decades waiting to do exactly what was done.

this is what the US does and we people in other country's refer to the states as "the empire"...everyone in the world knows this.

the MIC is more powerful than the banks
 
and why would you believe that considering why we put troops there in the first place.

The CIA has had people in northern Africa for decades waiting to do exactly what was done.

this is what the US does and we people in other country's refer to the states as "the empire"...everyone in the world knows this.

the MIC is more powerful than the banks

Oh, so it's Bush's fault that we're there because he's president, but it's not Obama's fault that we're still there because he's president?

Wow...
 
and why would you believe that considering why we put troops there in the first place.

The CIA has had people in northern Africa for decades waiting to do exactly what was done.

this is what the US does and we people in other country's refer to the states as "the empire"...everyone in the world knows this.

the MIC is more powerful than the banks

That is a liberal media answer there to DOMS comment. You picked a few points, moved away in an instant and are talking about the CIA. O'Bama fucking lied to EVERYONE, I have seen videos of all his promises and all that were not followed through on (not ones from the media you so loath either, those independent types you like to mention a lot and like are my sources here).

If you promise change and deliver the status quo you are either A) a liar, B) a terrible leader, or C) both. He is C in that list. Reagan was not perfect, Clinton was not perfect, but both could lead orders of magnitude better than O'Bama, shit even Bush rallied the country together when it most needed it.
 
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For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

You also don't fill your administration with cronies from some of the worst companies in the country who screw over the people to pad their back accounts. You know, the people that you say you oppose.

And, this is really easy to understand, you don't damn well continue to do the same shit that Bush did. And, this shit get's crazy, you don't continue the same shit and get to blame your predecessor!

This is the type of comment that needs to be said in a debate against O'Bama just cleaned up enough that it could make it on TV. I freaking love this DOMS!!!! :winkfinger::winkfinger::winkfinger: :clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
That is a liberal media answer there to DOMS comment. You picked a few points, moved away in an instant and are talking about the CIA. O'Bama fucking lied to EVERYONE, I have seen videos of all his promises and all that were not followed through on (not ones from the media you so loath either, those independent types you like to mention a lot and like are my sources here).

If you promise change and deliver the status quo you are either A) a liar, B) a terrible leader, or C) both. He is C in that list. Reagan was not perfect, Clinton was not perfect, but both could lead orders of magnitude better than O'Bama, shit even Bush rallied the country together when it most needed it.

and I quote Homer Simpson "Marge it takes 2 people to lie, one to tell it and the other to believe it"...

anybody that thought Obama was just going to pull out of the middle east really doesn't understand politics in the US or it's relationship with defense manufactures many of which are basically quasi-federal agency's at this point.

I haven't watched mainstream news to any measurable amount since the 80's. from what i saw and read on the BBC he told some good ones, just like all US politicians no more or less than what was needed to sell himself to the electorates. so as to your comment about the liberal media answer (which i'm not quite sure what they hell that even means) I know about the CIA in Africa not from the media but because one of my best friends in high school had just moved from their in '84 as his father was a ranking official. for some reason I have a ridiculous amount of friends in the fbi and cia, i'm still amazed at all the ex-potheads from my youth that work for those agency's now.
 
and I quote Homer Simpson "Marge it takes 2 people to lie, one to tell it and the other to believe it"...

anybody that thought Obama was just going to pull out of the middle east really doesn't understand politics in the US or it's relationship with defense manufactures many of which are basically quasi-federal agency's at this point.

Let me see if I've got this straight.

Bush lied and did stupid shit, so it's his fault. Obama lied and is doing stupid shit, but that's Bush's fault, too.

Does that sound about right?
 
Let me see if I've got this straight.

Bush lied and did stupid shit, so it's his fault. Obama lied and is doing stupid shit, but that's Bush's fault, too.

Does that sound about right?

That is what I heard. The insistence that Afghanistan is somehow part of the middle east is interesting, though LAM did not say Afghanistan directly. Politicians say things, make promises they HOPE to keep, we all know this. Barry made declaration that there would be transparency, we would be out of two wars and he would work with the other side. All he has done is over-inflate the budget and continue all the mistakes Bush made. He is far from honest and probably the worst leader this country has seen since Jimmy Carter.
 
That is what I heard. The insistence that Afghanistan is somehow part of the middle east is interesting, though LAM did not say Afghanistan directly. Politicians say things, make promises they HOPE to keep, we all know this. Barry made declaration that there would be transparency, we would be out of two wars and he would work with the other side. All he has done is over-inflate the budget and continue all the mistakes Bush made. He is far from honest and probably the worst leader this country has seen since Jimmy Carter.

He actually got my hopes up. He made a big show of how he was going to get special interest groups out of Washington. He did the exact opposite.

Now that you mention it, it's clear that Obama is a combination of the worsts parts of Bush and Carter.
 
He actually got my hopes up. He made a big show of how he was going to get special interest groups out of Washington. He did the exact opposite.

Now that you mention it, it's clear that Obama is a combination of the worsts parts of Bush and Carter.

Same here, I cannot believe I am admitting this but I voted for him on the belief that it would change. Until we have term limits, lobbying out of Washington and accountability from politicians (never going to happen), nothing will change.
 
Same here, I cannot believe I am admitting this but I voted for him on the belief that it would change. Until we have term limits, lobbying out of Washington and accountability from politicians (never going to happen), nothing will change.

I was going to vote for him, but I learned early on that he was a shiester.

I 100% agree about the changes that need to be made.

Here's an example of the work done by Black Jesus.

Obama Taps 5th RIAA Lawyer to Justice Dept.
 
Same here, I cannot believe I am admitting this but I voted for him on the belief that it would change. Until we have term limits, lobbying out of Washington and accountability from politicians (never going to happen), nothing will change.

Therein lies the problem. This whole Occupy Wall Street thing has been a complete and utter waste of something that had a lot of potential. That whole movement should be about cleaning up Washington. Wall Street is a problem, but if your best friend is stealing from you to give your shit away to another buddy of his, who do you get pissed at? I would drive my friend in to the ground, not the person he was giving my shit to. Every single incumbent needs to be voted out, period. A message needs o be sent that what is going on between Washington an Wall Street is not ok. Our only recourse is to vote the politicians out, we can't do anything to Wall Street. The sad thing is that Congress has a 6% approval rating yet more than 50% of the ones up for re-election will keep their jobs. Partisan politics is completely to blame, look at the other thread on union pensions. When somebody who will make $900k a year for their pension can convince a bunch of people who make $40k a year that someone getting a $90k a year pension is crippling the company there is a severe problem. It just seems that every person in the country is so preoccupied with preventing the people below them in social status from rising above them that they don't realize that the people above them are blindly stealing from them. It's sad really.
 
Therein lies the problem. This whole Occupy Wall Street thing has been a complete and utter waste of something that had a lot of potential. That whole movement should be about cleaning up Washington. Wall Street is a problem, but if your best friend is stealing from you to give your shit away to another buddy of his, who do you get pissed at? I would drive my friend in to the ground, not the person he was giving my shit to. Every single incumbent needs to be voted out, period. A message needs o be sent that what is going on between Washington an Wall Street is not ok. Our only recourse is to vote the politicians out, we can't do anything to Wall Street. The sad thing is that Congress has a 6% approval rating yet more than 50% of the ones up for re-election will keep their jobs. Partisan politics is completely to blame, look at the other thread on union pensions. When somebody who will make $900k a year for their pension can convince a bunch of people who make $40k a year that someone getting a $90k a year pension is crippling the company there is a severe problem. It just seems that every person in the country is so preoccupied with preventing the people below them in social status from rising above them that they don't realize that the people above them are blindly stealing from them. It's sad really.

This is very well said, reps coming your way Dale.
 
Partisan politics is completely to blame, look at the other thread on union pensions. When somebody who will make $900k a year for their pension can convince a bunch of people who make $40k a year that someone getting a $90k a year pension is crippling the company there is a severe problem. It just seems that every person in the country is so preoccupied with preventing the people below them in social status from rising above them that they don't realize that the people above them are blindly stealing from them. It's sad really.

that is why I stopped watching and reading main stream media content decades ago. first I don't like being told what's important, I can figure that out on my own. but commercial media outlets are simply a representation of what they think is important to their viewing audience based on advertising and consumption...fuck that

the people on the board of directors of main stream media outlets are the same ones on the boards of the leading large firms...that shit their trying to sell isn't news it's straight up propaganda.

accurate information and/or unbiased information can only be obtained from reliable 3rd party's that have nothing to gain or loose.
 
That is what I heard. The insistence that Afghanistan is somehow part of the middle east is interesting, though LAM did not say Afghanistan directly. Politicians say things, make promises they HOPE to keep, we all know this. Barry made declaration that there would be transparency, we would be out of two wars and he would work with the other side. All he has done is over-inflate the budget and continue all the mistakes Bush made. He is far from honest and probably the worst leader this country has seen since Jimmy Carter.

I'm pretty sure the worst leader in recent US history will go down as the one that essentially caused the global banking collapse and now global recession along with causing the loss of 3-5trillion in home equity to be lost in the US most of which is permanent due to their age of those homeowners and current income of which many are retired.

everything that is going down in Europe and Greece right now is a direct result of the banking collapse in 2007. finances of the G7 & G20, etc. are all interconnected now along with supply chains. the bush white house turned a blind eye to everything that was going down on wallstreet. they tried to say that the GSE's were in trouble for growing to large but now we all know that was not the case. their solution to growing balance sheets of GSE's was unregulated private banks whose primary goals were to increase stock shares. Fannie Mae and Freddie are only in trouble now because of the job loss and resulting slowdown in the economy that has resulted from all of this.

you would have thought after the last banking collapse in 1929 that deregulation and mixing credit and equity together "again" surely would result in the same eventually.

everything in the Frank-Dodd legislation (Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act) would have prevented just about all of this.

* history
* economics
* sociology
 
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I think what Obama meant by change is actually "more of the same."
 
I think what Obama meant by change is actually "more of the same."

I think "even worse" is more accurate. He's doing all the dumb shit that Bush did and taking it to higher levels, and adding more shit on top (illegal amnesty, for starters).
 
I don't recall Obama being in office in 2007. do you know what the SEC did between 2001 and 2009? nothing, their case load dropped from 70 in 2001 to less than 10 in 2007. banking deregulation is the pre-cursor to every banking collapse in the world.

That's the year in which Citi is accused of foul play. If you want to put that on Bush, go ahead.

But following that same logic, this proposed settlement was struck down THIS year. Who's president now??? :hmmm:
 
He took in the same people that were lobbying to have file sharers put in jail for 10 years.

Yea what the fuck is up with that?
He's the youngest president we've had since JFK right?

Isn't he supposed to be cool, hip, and in the know?

Sad times.
 
That's the year in which Citi is accused of foul play. If you want to put that on Bush, go ahead.

But following that same logic, this proposed settlement was struck down THIS year. Who's president now??? :hmmm:

technically Citi was following the IRB Basel II option which means they were in compliance.

and part of the reason why the banking collapse happened is that the people that were supposedly experts did not have the proper knowledge base on risk analysis. so instead of putting other "new" people in place that didn't know what was going on Obama kept the ones that in reality now knew the most about the problem. it sounds ass backwards but it really isn't given the circumstances.

personally I would like to see some movement towards large banks in the US being broken up separating credit and equity but the economy is still to fragile to even begin talking bout that, which probably isn't even very realistic.
 
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technically Citi was following the IRB Basel II option which means they were in compliance.

and part of the reason why the banking collapse happened is that the people that were supposedly experts did not have the proper knowledge base on risk analysis. so instead of putting other "new" people in place that didn't know what was going on Obama kept the ones that in reality now knew the most about the problem. it sounds ass backwards but it really isn't given the circumstances.

personally I would like to see some movement towards large banks in the US being broken up separating credit and equity but the economy is still to fragile to even begin talking bout that, which probably isn't even very realistic.


Okay, you've explained why he kept the same people in place. But the fact still remains, HE kept them in place. Whether it was right, wrong or indifferent, HE did it. Can't blame that on Bush.
 
Okay, you've explained why he kept the same people in place. But the fact still remains, HE kept them in place. Whether it was right, wrong or indifferent, HE did it. Can't blame that on Bush.

Can't we blame it on both of them, they are pandering to corporate America. They don't give a shit about us, just America Inc.
 
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