Kinda depressed about body

[Luxx]

1000% serious. A "clean" diet has no relevance other than nutrienf deficiencies. Many articles about this. Its all marketing.

And what is clean anyway? If i take a chocolate bar and wash it with soap and water does that make it a clean food?

If your trying to become a power lifter, do what this guy says. If you want to LOOK like you workout, eat clean.

 

[chocolatemalt]

Why does anyone use steroids. I would imagine to build muscle.

You ignored the questions about labs and AI use. Makes me wonder if you're serious about your goals.

 

[ezjax]

If your trying to become a power lifter, do what this guy says. If you want to LOOK like you workout, eat clean.

Any evidence of this? Or are you just reciting what you heard on the internet? And do you have a list of these "clean " foods? Or did you make them up? 100g of carbs from potatos rice chocolate cupcakes alp the same. Protien from beef fish eggs shakes taco bell mcdonalds all the same protein. Same with fats your body cant tell the difference its science

 

[Swfl]

Any evidence of this? Or are you just reciting what you heard on the internet? And do you have a list of these "clean " foods? Or did you make them up? 100g of carbs from potatos rice chocolate cupcakes alp the same. Protien from beef fish eggs shakes taco bell mcdonalds all the same protein. Same with fats your body cant tell the difference its science

^^^??? Cupcakes and McDonald's same as sweet potato and chicken? Are you serious? If so you need to study a little bit more. Tell ya what lets haves comp where you take in cupcakes McDonald's Wendy's other processed fast food and 1/2 gallon of milk and I'll eat chicken breast and sweet potatoes and green beans with no sauce and water for a month and see who looks better at the end.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

Extreme Muscle Enhancement 3rd Edition: Carlon Colker, MD, FACN, William Kispert: 9780976459323: Amazon.com: Books

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

buy that book....put some effort into educating yourself about yourself

 

[ezjax]

^^^??? Cupcakes and McDonald's same as sweet potato and chicken? Are you serious? If so you need to study a little bit more. Tell ya what lets haves comp where you take in cupcakes McDonald's Wendy's other processed fast food and 1/2 gallon of milk and I'll eat chicken breast and sweet potatoes and green beans with no sauce and water for a month and see who looks better at the end.

how would that prove anything?; is it not possible that i have better genes than you or vice versa? Is it not possible that one or both of us may not be a master or portion size? Is it not possible that the labels on supermarket food could be incorrect?

I am not saying i eat fast food or cupcakes. What i am saying is the body composition depends on macro nutrients and calorie intake. Not clean or dirty or high glycemic or low glycemic. If you can accurately track your macros and calories the food choices are irrelevant.

I bet you still drink whey isolate post workout and take dextrose (if you are on insulin i can see why but no otber reason to) and i bet u eat casein and cottage cheese before bed and wake up with a shake by ur bed midway through sleep.

do what you want but dont go telling people about your clean food and anabolic window garbage like tbere is any science behind it cuz there isnt. You need to do more research friend

 

[docdoom77]

buy that book....put some effort into educating yourself about yourself

Quoted for Truth! KoS directed me to that book and i finished it in 3 days. It's a good read with great info in it.

 

[Swfl]

I love it when someone with 19 posts comes on and has to prove he's that guy who knows everything. Chill out a bit. The point I'm making is even if your macros are on point but your getting them from processed food and non nutritionally dense foods like white bread and such then your giving detrimential and dangerous info to someone who clearly does not know better. I see your trying to help but your defending your position too hard, people who do that either HAVE to be right at all costs don't be that guy.

how would that prove anything?; is it not possible that i have better genes than you or vice versa? Is it not possible that one or both of us may not be a master or portion size? Is it not possible that the labels on supermarket food could be incorrect?

I am not saying i eat fast food or cupcakes. What i am saying is the body composition depends on macro nutrients and calorie intake. Not clean or dirty or high glycemic or low glycemic. If you can accurately track your macros and calories the food choices are irrelevant.

I bet you still drink whey isolate post workout and take dextrose (if you are on insulin i can see why but no otber reason to) and i bet u eat casein and cottage cheese before bed and wake up with a shake by ur bed midway through sleep.

do what you want but dont go telling people about your clean food and anabolic window garbage like tbere is any science behind it cuz there isnt. You need to do more research friend

 

[ezjax]

I love it when someone with 19 posts comes on and has to prove he's that guy who knows everything. Chill out a bit. The point I'm making is even if your macros are on point but your getting them from processed food and non nutritionally dense foods like white bread and such then your giving detrimential and dangerous info to someone who clearly does not know better. I see your trying to help but your defending your position too hard, people who do that either HAVE to be right at all costs don't be that guy.

Really not defending anything hard. And im not the new guy. I am a long time poster elsewhere. I dont need to be right or know anything. There is a difference between science and opinion. Maybe your way is science to you becuse you have recreated it several times in your mini vacuum. But n still =1.

If i had to choose between internet bodybuilding dogmas that have long been disproven or independant academic research. I choose science.

Oh and btw, the point you are trying to make about food choices is unfounded in science. White bread being danvlgerous is unfounded. Maybe the gmo flower is unhealthy but that doesnt mean it will affect body comp

if that makes me an internet know if all who needs to be right I be that...

but what oes that make you? Preacher man?

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

The New High Intensity Training: The Best Muscle-Building System You've Never Tried: Ellington Darden: 0039697860000: Amazon.com: Books

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

another great book....not everyone will even try high intensity circuits....but the book will challenge your form...your ideas about what a rep is...you will be more open to trying new things....experimenting

 

[_LG_]

Really not defending anything hard. And im not the new guy. I am a long time poster elsewhere. I dont need to be right or know anything. There is a difference between science and opinion. Maybe your way is science to you becuse you have recreated it several times in your mini vacuum. But n still =1.

If i had to choose between internet bodybuilding dogmas that have long been disproven or independant academic research. I choose science.

Oh and btw, the point you are trying to make about food choices is unfounded in science. White bread being danvlgerous is unfounded. Maybe the gmo flower is unhealthy but that doesnt mean it will affect body comp

if that makes me an internet know if all who needs to be right I be that...

but what oes that make you? Preacher man?

You are clueless

 

[ezjax]

You are clueless

Proof? Bully.

 

[ezjax]

The Science Of Nutrition: Is a Carb a Carb? Written By Menno Henselmans | SimplyShredded.com
thebarticle isnt science but the references r

Is a calorie a calorie? - PubMed Mobile

 

[Swfl]

Really not defending anything hard. And im not the new guy. I am a long time poster elsewhere. I dont need to be right or know anything. There is a difference between science and opinion. Maybe your way is science to you becuse you have recreated it several times in your mini vacuum. But n still =1.

If i had to choose between internet bodybuilding dogmas that have long been disproven or independant academic research. I choose science.

Oh and btw, the point you are trying to make about food choices is unfounded in science. White bread being danvlgerous is unfounded. Maybe the gmo flower is unhealthy but that doesnt mean it will affect body comp

if that makes me an internet know if all who needs to be right I be that...

but what oes that make you? Preacher man?

I rest my case... cant drop it.

 

[ezjax]

I rest my case... cant drop it.

Do you even nutrition?

 

[Swfl]

Do you even nutrition?

Negged

 

[ezjax]

Negged

You feel better now tough guy? A wise man told me dont argue with cools cuz people from a distance cant tell whi is who. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

 

[ROID]

Clean diet will get you no where if you are trying to grow. Your problem is running test solo. For does he even lift genetics like mine. You have to stay on tren and test for a long time. The only hormones you should use at your bodyfat is minimal test high tren high masteron. It may take months but it will work. Then when you are 10% you can add deca or eq. Your body will react differenr to tesf at 10% bf that is when you can raise it. But hight tren high masteron and hgh is what you need. A lot of all kinds of food too

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[ezjax]

Lol @ disagreeing with science. I think its time for an education boys. Maybe go to college and learn a little. No wonder meat heads get such a bad name. I didnt know you guys still existed

 

[ROID]

I stand corrected. You are 100% in the know. Carry on.

 

[jtip1810]

Look at stickies follow the low carb cutting diet and cut out he milk thats a lot of sugar. I was just like you came off my cycle and looked fatter but I know the problem was my diet shot up from 195lbs to 221lbs. Since switching to real clean foods and doing 4 days HIIT and 4 days lifting I look better and get more complements off cycle and have lost 17lbs in 6 weeks. I am currently doing 50-80 carbs 30-60 fat 220-270 protein and keeping sugar down to 30-40grams per day this is split into 5-6 meals and eating every 3-4 hrs it takes some serious dedication bro first week or two are ruff after that its routine. Think like this cheating once per day takes your body 3-4 hours to get back to burning so if you cheat 2 times in one day you wasted and entire day. I will be running 500test/500mast/80-100var very soon along with this diet should be all you really need to lean up quite a bit don't really see the need in tren right away. Hope this helps some and good luck.

 

[futureMrO]

You're only benching 145lbs but repping 100's on the DB press?? WTF? I work out with 275lb on the bench for 6-8 reps per set and I am using the 100's on DB press. Not sure what I'm missing here.

And a gallon of milk a day? Jesus Christ man.

Taking in 4000 cals in 3 meals is probably your problem with the fat. You need to split up those meals so you can meet your macros but not be so stuffed after each meal that you can't walk. Smaller yet more frequent meals will help keep your metabolism up as well.

Please tell where those 4000 cals come from on the average day. Besides of course, the gallon of milk.

dude thats what i thought to lol

 

[LAM]

So I did a 10 week cycle of test e and did the nolva clomid pct. I gained 20lbs, but I feel most of it was fat. I was eating 4000 cals per day and working out 5 times per week. When ever I put on fat it's very noticeable in my face stomach and pecs. I also recently did a 2 week clen cycle to try to cut. I think I lost like a pound. Is the away to cut this fat without losing any muscle I might have gained? I used to do cardio but it seems to deteriorate my strength. First pic is 5 months ago second pic is now.

where did you come up with 4k cals? all you need to do is increase your cals by 10% of maintenance levels every other week until weight gain occurs.

from your pics you weren't very lean to begin with which means your insulin sensitivity (IS) was already low before you started that high cal diet. when IS is low a person has average to above average levels of body fat. this means that more nutrients will get shuttled into fat cells then to muscle cells causing the majority of weight gained to be from fat vs lean muscle mass.

best to get the diet under control, drop some bf then hit up another cycle.

 

[Yetna]

You ignored the questions about labs and AI use. Makes me wonder if you're serious about your goals.

I will admit I haven't done any blood test. I know it was stupid if me and I plan on doing one soon. I will say its been a couple months since my cycle and I feel great. I still have a great sex drive, and an overall good mood. Also I used liquidex through my whole cycle since I am gyno prone. I did .5 eod.

 

[Powermaster]

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