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rock4832 said:If it was "natural" John, then we wouldn't be watching a video of it on the internet. We'd see our own cats and pets doing it. It is UNnatural. While it may happen 1% of the time, it is not a normal occurance.
OH, no doubt!!! John H is going so beyond the meaning of this video which simply displayed amuzing behaviour by a house pet! I dont understand all the politicality and morals behind his posts on this matter.... I was just pointing out how common these things are!thatguy said:Perhaps we are part of the animal kingdom, but that should only be applied to a certain extent. For instance, I've seen animal mothers eat their young. Natural? Yes, but certainly not something to be emulated.
Natural does not necessarily mean good.
crazy_enough said:OH, no doubt!!! John H is going so beyond the meaning of this video which simply displayed amuzing behaviour by a house pet!
crazy_enough said:OH, no doubt!!! John H is going so beyond the meaning of this video which simply displayed amuzing behaviour by a house pet! I dont understand all the politicality and morals behind his posts on this matter.... I was just pointing out how common these things are!
thatguy said:Perhaps we are part of the animal kingdom, but that should only be applied to a certain extent. For instance, I've seen animal mothers eat their young. Natural? Yes, but certainly not something to be emulated.
Natural does not necessarily mean good.
crazy_enough said:well, it is kind of a natural process for pets to be "indulging" in such "deviance"...lol Although, for most animal species, sex is strictly about instincts and procreation, not pleasure(thank god for being human!)....I have a feeling this little kitty simply had a wicked way of grooming itself!! But hey, how many times have I seen my "fixed" female dogs go at it with my kitchen table leg or sofa!!!![]()
I do know the "why," John. I'm not saying it's wrong for animal mothers eating their young; instead, I'm saying that example is a case where it would be wrong for us to emulate animals. Therefore, saying that what animals do is natural (which it is) and therefore must be right because natural=right is completely false.John H. said:Hi That,
You have to UNDERSTAND the WHY. That IS the key to knowing. I own my own farm. Doing so teaches you a lot you would not "normally" know about.
So now I guess the "moralists" and the "religious zealots" will want to take that cat and "baptize" it so it will no longer have "original sin" and have it go "to confession" for "sinning"... BULL!!!! The cat DID what came NATURALLY!!! And probably LIKED DOING IT... SO WHAT!!!!
As for some animal mothers eating their young - you have to STUDY life and living in all things. There ARE reasons for everything that happens. You or I may not always "know" or "understand" but then that is why it IS SO VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALL SOURCES. That IS how we truly and accurately LEARN. EVEN - and especially - about God!!
Take Care, John H.
thatguy said:I do know the "why," John. I'm not saying it's wrong for animal mothers eating their young; instead, I'm saying that example is a case where it would be wrong for us to emulate animals. Therefore, saying that what animals do is natural (which it is) and therefore must be right because natural=right is completely false.
Second, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a religioius person, even a zealot, who would actually want to baptize a cat. Give me a break. Certainly there are some who would think masturbation is sinful, and they are entitled to their opinion, as we are to ours.
Lastly, for someone who encourages to have "AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALL SOURCES," you sure do seem to have a closed mind to any opinion except for yours...
Take Care, That G.
Hum, lemme answer ur first question: I am somewhat educated on the subject having worked as a volunteer for numerous canadian and international animal organizations(on everything from kitty cats to alligators) for the past 7 years! I know I know, u own a farm....So then u must know that when animals(for the most part, as dolphins have been proven to experience sexual pleasure and have sex for that purpose under certain conditions) engage in sexual activities, they are led and guided by their instincts to procreate. Noone said this pet was being stupid...It is however senseless to compare human intelligence to animal's "reactive" intelligence.John H. said:Hi Crazy,
THINK about this: HOW do you KNOW for sure that "...for most animal species, sex is STRICTLY (caps I added for emphasis) about instincts and procreation? Are you an "animal" and know yourself for sure? Obviously the cat "in question" LIKED what is was doing, can you deny that? Can you tell me with CERTAINTY that that cat was "just" grooming itself? Maybe it was a very smart cat and LEARNED this "method of cleaning" itself has MORE benefits that just "being clean"? Cats ARE SMART you know... How many Male dogs have you seen "at work"?
There is a lot human beings that DO NOT UNDERSTAND - or know - trust me! Animals are NOT as "stupid" as human beings like to "think" they are...
Take Care, John H.
Clearly, I don't think the cat will go to hell. Maybe you should read my response again if you didn't understand it the first time.John H. said:Hi That,
I did not miss what you are saying. I hope you did not as well.
As for a religious person, I'd put money on it - AND WIN - you'd find one that would take that cat out and "drown" it baptizing it and saving it from "original sin" and "sin" TRUST ME!!!! Do you think that cat will go "to hell" for masturbating?
I can assure you I DO NOT have a closed mind about anything.
Take Care, sincerely so, John H.
I'm a "religious" person, whatever the crap that means. I wouldn't try to baptize the catJohn H. said:Hi That,
I did not miss what you are saying. I hope you did not as well.
As for a religious person, I'd put money on it - AND WIN - you'd find one that would take that cat out and "drown" it baptizing it and saving it from "original sin" and "sin" TRUST ME!!!! Do you think that cat will go "to hell" for masturbating?
I can assure you I DO NOT have a closed mind about anything.
Take Care, sincerely so, John H.
John,John H. said:Hi Tony,
What does this have to do with religion? If you look at the whole of this - EVERYTHING.
I DO and DID see the humor in this thread. I LAUGHED - and am STILL LAUGHING. But I SEE things from ALL perspectives and I could see where some who looked at this would bring "morals" and "religion" and "UNnaturalness", etc. into this so I was addressing all aspects of this - but laughing all the same...
I see horses with huge hard-ons every day. I do not go around saying: "damn I better tell that horse to stop that because someone might be offended!" (like he would listen to me anyway...). Or that he might be "immoral"... Or that he is "wrong" to show his hard-on... I do not try to "cover up" a horse's hard-on. I hope he is having fun actually... I do not walk up to that horse with a hard-on and jack it off so it will "not show" so as not to offend someone who "might see it"... It is NATURAL. SO WHAT! You see them all the time no big deal!! I own my own farm and I see things all the time - so what. I bet if a horse could jack itself off it WOULD and often!!! Or want help!!
I AM an ADULT MALE. I have an open mind and see ALL things from ALL perspectives ALL the time. Thus my reply as I made it.
But I STILL see the humor in it and I LAUGHED - and AM STILL LAUGHING. I hope that cat enjoyed itself. I am sure Guys who jack off do. I know I do. And I always will like it. It feels damn good - no matter if I am doing it myself or getting help from someone I know cares about me.
Think about this too - did the cat enjoy what it was doing? Probably did. I laugh if I see another Guy jack off so why would I not laugh if I see a cat doing it. NOT AT them but WITH THEM!!! They BOTH LOVE IT. It IS NATURAL - AND RIGHT - no matter who "says" "it is wrong" because they are full of sh*t that say it "is wrong" !!!!
Take Care, John H.
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