Lance Armstrong / Test question

[musclepump]

I was just thinking about this... Lance only has one nut, so his Test production is probably shot naturally, right? But he keeps winning the Tour, meaning he has to have a ton of manliness in his loins, though where does it come from--Doctor administered test? If so, how is that legal in his sport and by the IOC?

Or, since he has only one nut does he produce more estrogen and that's what gives him the endurance, as science has told us women will soon outdo men in the marathon?

 

[ZECH]

He's just in great shape. And this also comes after beating a bout of cancer! I think it shows just how incredible an athelete he is.

 

[thatguy]

I was just thinking about this... Lance only has one nut, so his Test production is probably shot naturally, right? But he keeps winning the Tour, meaning he has to have a ton of manliness in his loins, though where does it come from--Doctor administered test? If so, how is that legal in his sport and by the IOC?

Or, since he has only one nut does he produce more estrogen and that's what gives him the endurance, as science has told us women will soon outdo men in the marathon?

I've actually heard that having one nut does not lower test production very much and sometimes not at all. Your other nut just kicks it up a gear.

That could be inaccurate, but I've heard that more than once.

 

[Mudge]

I know a guy with one nut who is my age, his natural T was about 220.

Since at least some of them cheat, I would not put it past him to do the same. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, who knows.

 

[gococksDJS]

He has also admitted to blood doping hasn't he?

 

[gococksDJS]

My bad, he has allegedly doped in the past. Apparently in a biography some of his close friends said he has used numerous performance enhancers, like blood doping, in the past but it's not conclusive.

 

[simbh]

I was just thinking about this... Lance only has one nut, so his Test production is probably shot naturally, right? But he keeps winning the Tour, meaning he has to have a ton of manliness in his loins, though where does it come from--Doctor administered test? If so, how is that legal in his sport and by the IOC?

Or, since he has only one nut does he produce more estrogen and that's what gives him the endurance, as science has told us women will soon outdo men in the marathon?

I doubt he would be takin test as it would not any great benefit to him. What would be more accurate , would be of him taking a cardio enhancing drug . There are a multitude of drugs that help endurance as well as cardio vascular capability. But , I am sure of one thing , is that he does taking something to enhance his performances as well as most of the guys on le Tour the France . I was once in a biking club and my coach was on the moutain bike world cup when he was younger in which he did X country biking ... No need to tell you how much of a good cardio vascular shape that guy was in . Anyways , he told me one thing that I'll never forget . He said , those guys go throught out 200km (100 miles) day after day with only 1 day of rest per week , he said its pretty much impossible for a human to do that without enhancing performance drugs.

Another thing that a bit weird in my opinion is . Why the fuck would he have a doctor always with him on the tour ?

 

[Mudge]

Well, at the level they are pushing themselves too a doctor would probably be a good idea for those that can afford it anyway.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I believe he has been accused of using EQ.

Regardless, I bet he has an advantage only having one nut since those seats ride up between them anyway.

 

[simbh]

I believe he has been accused of using EQ.

Regardless, I bet he has an advantage only having one nut since those seats ride up between them anyway.

... Well , I am sure he is doping with the results he's having ... But , his accomplishements are still great even if he dopes cuz if you asked me , the top 50 in the tour de france dopes ...

 

[gococksDJS]

I would imagine blood doping would be incredibly painful and time consuming, but hey if it gives you that many Tour de France victories, its more than likely paid off.

 

[musclepump]

Don't they have accurate enough tests to catch blood doping now? And they have doctors on the Tour because they all get IV's at the end of each stage to replace their vitamins/minerals. Lance almost always has a doping agent next to him when they do this because they want so badly to catch him doing something wrong.

 

[westb51]

epo

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

... Well , I am sure he is doping with the results he's having ... But , his accomplishements are still great even if he dopes cuz if you asked me , the top 50 in the tour de france dopes ...

He is tested more than any athlete on the face of the earth. He has never even given a false positive. He has only been accused because he is so good. He was even accused by th fucking french of going through cancer so he could get the drugs to enhance his performance. I wish someone would bomb that country. I personally don't believe he juices of any sort. He enjoys pain, enjoys the mind numbing-ness of extreme endurance and has always eaten up competition. I am a big fan and until someone proves he is juicing, they need to STFU.

 

[simbh]

He is tested more than any athlete on the face of the earth. He has never even given a false positive. He has only been accused because he is so good. He was even accused by th fucking french of going through cancer so he could get the drugs to enhance his performance. I wish someone would bomb that country. I personally don't believe he juices of any sort. He enjoys pain, enjoys the mind numbing-ness of extreme endurance and has always eaten up competition. I am a big fan and until someone proves he is juicing, they need to STFU.

Sorry dude , but how naive you can be is a bit disapointing ... Just this week , a new anabolic steroid was discovered that couldn't been found in any drug testing ... I don't need to be cocky or anything , but drug testing is usually far behind . I.E. Balco labs ... You just need the state of the art drug that isn't yet discovered in drug testing and youre fine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/front_page/4226893.stm

This is another example ... Testes aren't up to date compared to the new comming drugs .

 

[musclepump]

I feel bad for the guys willing to use the new drugs that can't be detected; probably much more dangerous, no data backing it up...

 

[gococksDJS]

He is tested more than any athlete on the face of the earth. He has never even given a false positive. He has only been accused because he is so good. He was even accused by th fucking french of going through cancer so he could get the drugs to enhance his performance. I wish someone would bomb that country. I personally don't believe he juices of any sort. He enjoys pain, enjoys the mind numbing-ness of extreme endurance and has always eaten up competition. I am a big fan and until someone proves he is juicing, they need to STFU.

He may have never failed an anabolic steroid test, but Lance Armstrong does not use performance enhancing drugs to increase muscle mass. His main concern is the ability of his red-blood cells to carry as much oxygen as possible, which means greater endurance. This is what blood-doping is. They remove your actual blood, centrifuge it, store it, then re-administer it into your body before performance, but it isn't permanent which is why it's such a hassle. Another type of doping is a synthetic hormone called EPO that stimulates the production of red-blood cells, resulting in increased capacity to deliver more oxygen throughout your body. These can increase performance anywhere from 5-20%. The IOC has never put much stock in developing means to test for doping, and in 1999 they actually stopped funding the research of EPO detection. The most surprising thing about doping is that the WADA(world anti-doping agency) claimed in 2000 that they finally had a conclusive test for blood doping, but in 2001 the AIC was ordered to stop and discontinue all further blood doping research due to the fact that the results of the tests "were almost always inconclusive". Just because the man has past every AAS drug test and has never admitted to blood-doping does not mean he "loves pain" and is just that good. He may be, but obviously it is quite easy to get away with blood-doping.

 

[Pirate!]

He was in the news a few months ago because a test came back with suspicious results. I haven't heard anything about it since, but my understanding is that HRT for his condition would disqualify him from competition.

 

[gococksDJS]

I feel bad for the guys willing to use the new drugs that can't be detected; probably much more dangerous, no data backing it up...

How does the ability to detect a substance in your body make it more dangerous? There are very few, unbiased, correctly performed scientific experiments on AAS and their effects and basically no long term studies, and until society loses the "steroids kill everyone like the bubonic plague" attitude, there will never be any which is very sad, because these drugs are incredible, but guys like us on this board, who believe in educating others in the safe, responsible and proper use of anabolics, are seen as felons.

 

[musclepump]

How does the ability to detect a substance in your body make it more dangerous? There are very few, unbiased, correctly performed scientific experiments on AAS and their effects and basically no long term studies, and until society loses the "steroids kill everyone like the bubonic plague" attitude, there will never be any which is very sad, because these drugs are incredible, but guys like us on this board, who believe in educating others in the safe, responsible and proper use of anabolics, are seen as felons.

I'm not saying they are dangerous, but they very well could be more dangerous than other substances. They try and put other things, maybe things aren't tested for or tested at all, in their bodies and use them to get an edge. Eventually it could be the equivalent of swallowing bleach. We just never know for sure.

 

[gococksDJS]

I'm not saying they are dangerous, but they very well could be more dangerous than other substances. They try and put other things, maybe things aren't tested for or tested at all, in their bodies and use them to get an edge. Eventually it could be the equivalent of swallowing bleach. We just never know for sure.

yeah i see what your saying, but many of these guys have top notch chemists making new "designer steroids" that has an unknown molecular structure, so it's usually a far cry from bleach. Im close to finishing my undergraduate studies with a degree in chemistry, and already know a good deal about molecular structure, bond strength, and polarity etc etc. so I can't imagine what these chemists who are making the drugs can do.

 

[bio-chem]

Lance Armstrong is the most tested blood of any guys on the earth as far as sports related. they are always trying to find something in his blood. never have. they test at the end of each stage, and they test randomly over the year. they even hold his blood for years after the competition so when new tests do come out they can test it again. the doctor they bring along is a team doctor, the whole race these guys are totally getting beat up physically they totally need that guy. and his natural test levels are way down from before the cancer, he has lost 15-20 lbs of muscle mass because of it which he feels has actually helped his ability to climb mountains. less mass to haul up. i think they put a synthetic nut in the sack to balance the aesthetics dont they?

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

Sorry dude , but how naive you can be is a bit disapointing ... Just this week , a new anabolic steroid was discovered that couldn't been found in any drug testing ... I don't need to be cocky or anything , but drug testing is usually far behind . I.E. Balco labs ... You just need the state of the art drug that isn't yet discovered in drug testing and youre fine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/front_page/4226893.stm

This is another example ... Testes aren't up to date compared to the new comming drugs .

Sorry dude, how paranoid, negative and doubting of others can you be. I dont claim that you are juicing because you do well. When you are on top, you are naturally a target. You dont know me, so don't assume I am naive, little boy, based on one statement. Just because someone does well, doesnt make them a juicer.

 

[gococksDJS]

Lance Armstrong is the most tested blood of any guys on the earth as far as sports related. they are always trying to find something in his blood. never have. they test at the end of each stage, and they test randomly over the year. they even hold his blood for years after the competition so when new tests do come out they can test it again.

Blood doping tests are extremely controvercial and in many cases can easily be proven inconclusive. The most common form of doping these days is an injectible called EPO, and it's levels in the blood stream can not be measured directly by any current tests, so they measure for red blood-cell density and an increase in density could possibly mean doping, but one thing that gets many athletes off the hook when they are accused of EPO doping is training altitude. If you train at high altitude, your red-blood cell density increases, so just because all the riders use one doctor does not clear him from doping. If he trains at a high elevation before a race, he has a scientifically proven reason as to why his red-blood cell density is higher.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

He was in the news a few months ago because a test came back with suspicious results. I haven't heard anything about it since, but my understanding is that HRT for his condition would disqualify him from competition.

Wrong, he was in the news because a disgruntled friend "saw a needle in his garbage."

 

[bio-chem]

he is not allowed hormonal replacement therapy because of compettitions. gococks whats your point? do you say he is doping? ive read up on epo so i know what your saying, but it does seem like your trying to bring the guy down. c'mon he has stomped the french on their home court 6 strait times, he is an animal give some credit until he is proven positive for something. it seems like your assuming guilt here. correct me if im wrong, it wont bother me.

 

[gococksDJS]

he is not allowed hormonal replacement therapy because of compettitions. gococks whats your point? do you say he is doping? ive read up on epo so i know what your saying, but it does seem like your trying to bring the guy down. c'mon he has stomped the french on their home court 6 strait times, he is an animal give some credit until he is proven positive for something. it seems like your assuming guilt here. correct me if im wrong, it wont bother me.

I am not saying he is guilty, and I am not saying he is innocent. All im saying is that you guys are making it seem like the idea of him blood-doping is absolutely crazy just because he's not 300 lbs with 5% bf. Yes the man has won a battle with testiuclar, yes he dominates the shitty Frenchies, yes he has won more Tour De France's than anyone else, and yes he has started one of the most successful charity organizations of all time, but does that mean he would never dream of using a banned substance? No, not at all. He is one of the top athletes in the world, and the competition is very fierce at his level, and many athletes at that level are more than willing to do whatever it takes to be the best. He may seem honest in the public eye, but that has no bearing on him as a person. He is an incredible person who has overcome incredible odds and setbacks to be the best at what he does, and just because he has never tested positive for banned substances does not mean he has never used them. It is possible that he has never used any performance enhancers at all. I don't know for sure, and neither do you, but just because he seems honest, driven and dedicated to the public does not mean he refuses to do whatever it takes to be the best. Only he knows for sure. Who you are in the eye of the public is not who you are in real life. Remember, when RuPaul takes off her dress at night, she still has a dick.

 

[bio-chem]

seems a little hard lined, but i can accept that. makes more sense to me now where your coming from

 

[simbh]

Sorry dude, how paranoid, negative and doubting of others can you be. I dont claim that you are juicing because you do well. When you are on top, you are naturally a target. You dont know me, so don't assume I am naive, little boy, based on one statement. Just because someone does well, doesnt make them a juicer.

I still stand by what I said ... The matter that you say until he testes postive is rediculous IMO ... As I said and other said the same thing after me , drug testing is just not up to date to the new doping available for athletes . I don't know if you checked that link I gave you , but the only reason why they caught the new drug was because they caught a "suspicious substance" at the Canadian/American border . If it wouldn't have been caught , it would still be available for athletes and undetectable for drug testing. And IMO that drug is just the tip of the iceberg.

You say I'm paranoid , negative and doubting ... Well I believe the recent facts with doping pretty much justify my point of vue so I would consider myself as realistic and not paranoid , negative or doubting of others. I said it before and I'll say it again , I still admire lance , even if IMO he dopes (of course its not proven like you pointed out , due mainly to lack of funding and ressources for anti-doping tests ) because the fact of the matter is the vast majority of the people on le tour de france do dope ...

 

[simbh]

he is not allowed hormonal replacement therapy because of compettitions. gococks whats your point? do you say he is doping? ive read up on epo so i know what your saying, but it does seem like your trying to bring the guy down. c'mon he has stomped the french on their home court 6 strait times, he is an animal give some credit until he is proven positive for something. it seems like your assuming guilt here. correct me if im wrong, it wont bother me.

Correction , his worst oppenent has been Yan Ulrich which is not french but german ... The French have never done that great on le tour de france .