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Hey guys i'm currently 198lb at 12-13%bf and am looking to lean and get into the single digits. I have been cutting back on my carbs and raising my fats, I'm interested in seeing where my macros should be.

I have 8 meals a day (2 of which are just shakes) I have cut carbs out of my first meal and last meal and I eat every 2 hours.

My current macros for the day are

Fat 190g
Carbs 82g
Protein 300g

Any input would be appreciated
 
Fat looks ridiculously high, you have above 3200 kcal there all together.

Why are you eating so much fat??
 
Fat looks ridiculously high, you have above 3200 kcal there all together.

Why are you eating so much fat??

I figured my fats where pretty high since my calories were up there.

Here is my current meal plan

#1
1.5 scoops of protein
1tbsp olive oil

#2-#6
I split this up in to 5 small meals
2lbs of ground turkey
1/2 cup of pasta (measured dry)
5 tbsp olive oil
1.25 cups of tomato puree

#7 (post workout)
1.5 scoops of protein
*not sure if i should continue to use KARBOLYN post workout

#8
Feta and spinach stuffed salmon

So to break down my fats 84g is from olive oil, 56g is from the ground turkey and 54g from my feta with salmon.
 
I'd say you're probably going to stall out out 82 g of carb / day. And no reason, then to go high fat because your'e not really doing a keto diet.

I'd suggest you determine your total cals for cutting and then set up a 3-4 day carb rotation. Low carbs are miserables so for what you're doing at a minimum you should be doing a decent refeed at least once per week. But again, since you're not really doing a true keto diet, you're not really accomplishing much by keeping low carb, but not low enough for keto.
 
I'd say you're probably going to stall out out 82 g of carb / day. And no reason, then to go high fat because your'e not really doing a keto diet.

I'd suggest you determine your total cals for cutting and then set up a 3-4 day carb rotation. Low carbs are miserables so for what you're doing at a minimum you should be doing a decent refeed at least once per week. But again, since you're not really doing a true keto diet, you're not really accomplishing much by keeping low carb, but not low enough for keto.

Thank you Sassy, I tried doing a keto diet last year and I stopped because I became to weak I didn't even feel like working out. Where would you suggest my daily calories should be or how can I figure it out

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Thank you Sassy, I tried doing a keto diet last year and I stopped because I became to weak I didn't even feel like working out. Where would you suggest my daily calories should be or how can I figure it out

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How long did you run the keto diet for? It takes a week or two to burn up all the carb-based energy available in your body (glycogen) and then transition over to using ketones. You have to get thru that transition to continue. I would caveat that on a keto diet you can't expect to have any "burst" energy - e.g. if you want to do HIIT cardio or super sets. Its just not going to work like that because you don't have the quickly available energy source. If you stick to slower paced training (e.g. walking cardio), generally you are ok. But also you need to adjust your training expectations to what a cutting diet can support. If you're not eating big you can't lift big. That said, I've done some very solid training while on a keto diet during competition prep.

RE: a carb rotation, I would suggest you do more research yourself and check here for some good basic stuff on getting your baseline numbers: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/new-members-begin-here/97077-read-me-first-homework-1-newbies.html

Just doing some back of the envelope numbers, if you're ~200 lb, guidance is to eat 1.5-2 x your weight in protein grams / day (to maintain or grow) and 15-20 x your weight in total cals. I would for a cutter, take 3000-3500 cals as your base cals with say 300 g of protein per day, split equally across all of your meals. Then the remaining calories to make up the 3000-3500, split as a sliding ratio of calories from carbs to fats over the 3-4 day cycle, while keeping the total cals the same. E.g. (I'm just making up these numbers, but to illustrate)

Day 1: "high carb"
300 g protein
300 g carb
10 g fat

Day 2: Med Carb"
300 g protein
200 g carb
30 g fat

Day 3: "low carb"
300 g protein
100 g carb
50 g fat

Day 4 = Day 1, repeat

So you get the idea - high carb day means high carbs, low fats, constant protein cals. Med carb day means lower carbs, higher fats, low carb day means low to no carbs, replace all those cals w/ fat cals. You can pick the length of cycle and degree of change within cycle. A more aggressive cycle might be high carb day = 300 g carb, med carb = 150 g. carb, low day = zero carbs.

Another note - when we talk about carb cals, we're specifically referring to non-fibrous or starchy carbs such as oats, rice, etc. We're not really counting carbs from veggies. But either way, the first 1-2 times you go thru the low carb day, you'll feel it - the lethergy, maybe moodiness, etc. But once you've gone thru it you know how it feels and can better manage it.

Another way to do it is keep the say idea of high / med / low carb days, but match them to your heavy or light training days instead of just sequentially doing them and having say a heavy leg day happen to land on a low carb day. Depends. I've done both. I personally like the sequencing and just deal w/ whatever training day happens to land on low-carb day.
 
How long did you run the keto diet for? It takes a week or two to burn up all the carb-based energy available in your body (glycogen) and then transition over to using ketones. You have to get thru that transition to continue. I would caveat that on a keto diet you can't expect to have any "burst" energy - e.g. if you want to do HIIT cardio or super sets. Its just not going to work like that because you don't have the quickly available energy source. If you stick to slower paced training (e.g. walking cardio), generally you are ok. But also you need to adjust your training expectations to what a cutting diet can support. If you're not eating big you can't lift big. That said, I've done some very solid training while on a keto diet during competition prep.

RE: a carb rotation, I would suggest you do more research yourself and check here for some good basic stuff on getting your baseline numbers: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/new-members-begin-here/97077-read-me-first-homework-1-newbies.html

Just doing some back of the envelope numbers, if you're ~200 lb, guidance is to eat 1.5-2 x your weight in protein grams / day (to maintain or grow) and 15-20 x your weight in total cals. I would for a cutter, take 3000-3500 cals as your base cals with say 300 g of protein per day, split equally across all of your meals. Then the remaining calories to make up the 3000-3500, split as a sliding ratio of calories from carbs to fats over the 3-4 day cycle, while keeping the total cals the same. E.g. (I'm just making up these numbers, but to illustrate)

Day 1: "high carb"
300 g protein
300 g carb
10 g fat

Day 2: Med Carb"
300 g protein
200 g carb
30 g fat

Day 3: "low carb"
300 g protein
100 g carb
50 g fat

Day 4 = Day 1, repeat

So you get the idea - high carb day means high carbs, low fats, constant protein cals. Med carb day means lower carbs, higher fats, low carb day means low to no carbs, replace all those cals w/ fat cals. You can pick the length of cycle and degree of change within cycle. A more aggressive cycle might be high carb day = 300 g carb, med carb = 150 g. carb, low day = zero carbs.

Another note - when we talk about carb cals, we're specifically referring to non-fibrous or starchy carbs such as oats, rice, etc. We're not really counting carbs from veggies. But either way, the first 1-2 times you go thru the low carb day, you'll feel it - the lethergy, maybe moodiness, etc. But once you've gone thru it you know how it feels and can better manage it.

Another way to do it is keep the say idea of high / med / low carb days, but match them to your heavy or light training days instead of just sequentially doing them and having say a heavy leg day happen to land on a low carb day. Depends. I've done both. I personally like the sequencing and just deal w/ whatever training day happens to land on low-carb day.

Thank you Sassy, this help a lot! I will give the carb rotation a shot, and maybe give keto a shot again later this summmer
 
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So you get the idea - high carb day means high carbs, low fats, constant protein cals. Med carb day means lower carbs, higher fats, low carb day means low to no carbs, replace all those cals w/ fat cals. You can pick the length of cycle and degree of change within cycle. A more aggressive cycle might be high carb day = 300 g carb, med carb = 150 g. carb, low day = zero carbs.

How does this look?
Each day is 8 meals consisting of..
Day 1
40g protein
40g carbs
1.5g fats

Total 300/300/10

Day 2
40g protein
20g carbs
10g fats

Total 300/150/80

Day 3
40g protein
0g carbs
18g fat

Total 300/0/145
 
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I personally find it easier to move the fat / carbs on a full meal basis instead of the miniscule changes collectively across all meals - its soemtimes very inconvenient to hit these small changes accurately meal to meal. But give it a shot & see how you handle the no carb days. You might alternatively just keep it to a low carb. But see how it works for ya.
 
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