Liberals stopped from sneaking into Canada

[cman]

No Cman I am very steady in everything I've said with not one single waffle served. I did not ever like Kerry and have always been very clear to state I just hate GWB because of what he has done in Iraq. I would have voted for anyone BUT Bush. I was a solid fan and damn proud when he took out the tallywhackers. He did great right up untill he let Bin Laden go and started this oil crusade. Now we know he lied about the reasons for Iraq and is there for the oil. I don't like bullshit no matter how hard ya shovel it or what party is holding the shovel. Like the avi I made says Bin Laden should be dead ... instead we have 1200 more dead Americans and 1 living terrorist talking shit. Fuck the oil kill Bin Laden.

I understand where you are comming from. just ribbing you. Watch the rebuttle to mike moores lieathon. It is called ferinhype 911
If we were actually just wanting oil, we would not side with Israel on anything. they have none.

 

[Dale Mabry]

The fact that you do not get the point speaks volumes for your party. You don't need numbers to show that data is invalid. In your case, the data is not wrong, it is just not a valid way of going from point A to point B.

I am not going to research this, you may if you wish, but what is the average age of an SAT taker? What is the average age of a voter? How many people who voted, took the SAT? How many people who DIDN'T vote took the SAT? How many people took the SAT in the same state they live now? None of this is controlled for. This data would be valid only if no one moved out of any of the states between the time of taking the test and voting.

Here is a sample. Let's say that the SAT scores were the same in 2002 as they were in 1998. I went to high school in Iowa in 2002, but lived in D.C. when I voted this year. D.C. ranks second to last and Iowa is first. I obviously belong to the SAT group from Iowa, but my vote was cast in DC, so how do you categorize that knowing who won each state?

 

[DOMS]

wasn't trying to be testy. just saying it's too bad there is a negative association with using feminine power. Just as there should be no negativity associated with using male power. As for assuming I pee standing up, don't know where you got that . If I had clitoralmegaly due to congential adrenal hyperplasia I might. Right now if I tried I'd spray all over the commode.

You responded to my over harsh post with a rather nice post.

I like you.

 

[Luke9583]

I'd be willing to give up my soul just to hear all those Conservatives stop whining about people that don't agree with them.....


Opps, wrong thread

 

[DOMS]

You mean like whining about a stolen election and religion and about having to suffer at the hands of their lessers and...

 

[Dale Mabry]

I find it ridiculous that people are still whining about the election. I didn't vote for Bush, but he won, move on with your life. I may have to go back to voting repub if McCain is up there next time. Not so much for Rudy G.

 

[DOMS]

That Fat Piece of Crap, a.k.a. Michael Moore, was on the Tonight Show and said that Bush won the election fair and square and that the Democrats need to move on and prepare for the next election.

It's pretty sad when the liberals' voice of reason is Michael Moore.

 

[Luke9583]

You mean like whining about a stolen election and religion and about having to suffer at the hands of their lessers and...

Democrats whine about the system. Republicans whine about democrats. Personally, I find anything politically oriented "annoying"

 

[cman]

I find it ridiculous that people are still whining about the election. I didn't vote for Bush, but he won, move on with your life. I may have to go back to voting repub if McCain is up there next time. Not so much for Rudy G.

Don't take it too personal. But i am right. Also just funnin

 

[cman]

"I voted against Bush, BEFORE I voted against him." I could care less about guns being owned, I hate owners who leave them all over their house so that when Crackhead Fred breaks in he can pick and choose which ones he wants to steal. I'm not a republican nor a democrat, I'm an American with wide ranging perspectives on issues and I don't like to lock myself into a "label" that puts me on a side and leaves me cheering for every nutcase who happens to share my label.

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Crack head fred should not be in my home. and if he does I don't want to have to run to the safe, try the combo in the dark, ask fred to be pacient while i get my gun safe open.
Fred comes in to my house, he will hear shots from both sides of the bed. Me and the republican wife. And when fred hits the floor he will look like a freaking sprinkler.
You can't get mad at a person for having his belongings in his house. its not logical.get mad at fred.

 

[cman]

The fact that you do not get the point speaks volumes for your party. You don't need numbers to show that data is invalid. In your case, the data is not wrong, it is just not a valid way of going from point A to point B.

I am not going to research this, you may if you wish, but what is the average age of an SAT taker? What is the average age of a voter? How many people who voted, took the SAT? How many people who DIDN'T vote took the SAT? How many people took the SAT in the same state they live now? None of this is controlled for. This data would be valid only if no one moved out of any of the states between the time of taking the test and voting.

Here is a sample. Let's say that the SAT scores were the same in 2002 as they were in 1998. I went to high school in Iowa in 2002, but lived in D.C. when I voted this year. D.C. ranks second to last and Iowa is first. I obviously belong to the SAT group from Iowa, but my vote was cast in DC, so how do you categorize that knowing who won each state?[/QUOTE]
That is not how it is for every body. if you can't see it, it speaks volumes for your party.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I am not going to dig up the info, but I assure you that it is very much the way it is for a large portion of the people, which is what makes the data invalid.

 

[DOMS]

Nice dodge.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Harvard has 19,500 students. 84% of them come from out of state. That is 1 college, in 1 state and it is a sway of 16,000 people. Now these people have moved out of their homestate within 2 years of taking the SAT. There is no way of telling which state they are registered in, but the fact that they CAN register in the state they attend college makes your data void.

Here is the source
http://www.admissionsconsultants.com/college/harvard.asp

 

[cman]

Parents vote for Kerry, kids have low sat's, they grow up and vote the way their mom and dad do. so, they grow up to be low sat having adults voting for dems. end of story, if you had a higher SAT you would understand.

 

[maniclion]

Parents vote for Kerry, kids have low sat's, they grow up and vote the way their mom and dad do. so, they grow up to be low sat having adults voting for dems. end of story, if you had a higher SAT you would understand.

Your President thinks we spend all of our time posting here at IMF on the "internets"

 

[maniclion]

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Crack head fred should not be in my home. and if he does I don't want to have to run to the safe, try the combo in the dark, ask fred to be pacient while i get my gun safe open.
Fred comes in to my house, he will hear shots from both sides of the bed. Me and the republican wife. And when fred hits the floor he will look like a freaking sprinkler.
You can't get mad at a person for having his belongings in his house. its not logical.get mad at fred.

So you're a hermit? I'm talking about when folks leave their home and someone breaks in and digs through the arsenal in their closets.

Firearm Theft: According to survey data, approximately 500,000 guns are stolen each year from private citizens. Between 1998 and 1999, more than 27,000 firearms were reported stolen from licensed gun dealers and more than 3,700 firearms from businesses that transport guns. Theft plays a major role in arming criminals. A national survey of incarcerated individuals asked how they had obtained their most recent firearm. Ten percent indicated they had stolen it and an additional 8% indicated they had bought it from a ???fence??? ??? a dealer specializing in stolen goods. A further twenty-one percent reported having purchased their most recent firearm from groups known to steal weapons; for example, drug dealers, addicts, and other street sources.

 

[cman]

So you're a hermit? I'm talking about when folks leave their home and someone breaks in and digs through the arsenal in their closets.

Firearm Theft: According to survey data, approximately 500,000 guns are stolen each year from private citizens. Between 1998 and 1999, more than 27,000 firearms were reported stolen from licensed gun dealers and more than 3,700 firearms from businesses that transport guns. Theft plays a major role in arming criminals. A national survey of incarcerated individuals asked how they had obtained their most recent firearm. Ten percent indicated they had stolen it and an additional 8% indicated they had bought it from a ???fence??? ??? a dealer specializing in stolen goods. A further twenty-one percent reported having purchased their most recent firearm from groups known to steal weapons; for example, drug dealers, addicts, and other street sources.

And your point is?
When I leave the house..........My gun goes with me. I guess your SAT score was not high enough to come up with that option.

Excerpts of statistics included in the "Citizens' Self -Defense Act of 1997" (H. R. 27)
A bill introduced in the 105th Congress


Introduced on JANUARY 7, 1997



Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the "Citizens' Self -Defense Act of 1997".
SEC. 2. FINDINGS.
The Congress finds the following:

(1) Police cannot protect, and are not legally liable for failing to protect, individual citizens, as evidenced by the following: (A) The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: " Courts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community. . . ."
(B) Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities.
(C) The United States Department of Justice found that, in 1989, there were 168,881 crimes of violence for which police had not responded within 1 hour.
(D) Currently, there are about 150,000 police officers on duty at any one time.(2) Citizens frequently must use firearms to defend themselves, as evidenced by the following:
(A) Every year, more than 2,400,000 people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals-or more than 6,500 people a day. This means that, each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. (B) Of the 2,400,000 self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse. (C) Of the 2,400,000 times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, 92 percent merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, does a citizen kill or wound his or her attacker. Tueller, Dennis. (1996). Gun Laws and the Need for Self-Defense (Part 2). Hearing. U.S. House. Committee on the Judiciary. Washington, D.C.: GPO.

The following was presented in the April 5, 1995 testimony of Lt. Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City Police Department:

According to a 1994 survey done by the Police Marksman Association:
95 percent of officers dislike the ban on large-capacity magazines.
92 percent oppose the assault weapons ban.
93 do not like the Brady bill. According to a survey published in the July/August 1991 issue of Law Enforcement Technology, of 25,000 subscribers polled: 78.7 oppose the assault weapons ban. 84.6 percent hold the opinion that gun control does not reduce crime. 78.2 percent believe that gun laws will never prevent criminals from obtaining guns. Murkowski, Frank H., Sen.-Alaska. (August 25, 1994). Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994-- Conference Report. Congressional Record (Daily Edition). S12566-12600.

Excerpt from Sen. Murkowski's speech:

"With an astounding return of over 15 percent of the mail-out surveys--far over the national average of such surveys--NACOP [National Association of Chiefs of Police] found the following sentiments being held by police chiefs and sheriffs: 88.7 percent do not believe a ban on semiautomatic assault weapons will help reduce crime; 97.4 percent believe criminals will still be able to obtain illegal weapons, even with a ban; and 90.4 percent believe law-abiding citizens should be able to purchase any rifle, pistol, or shotgun he or she chooses for self-protection or recreation. A similar survey was conducted in June 1993 by the Southern States Police Benevolent Association, which has approximately 11,000 members, who were polled by an independent, objective outside research firm. Of those officers surveyed, over 70 percent have been police officers for more than 5 years, and nearly two-thirds serve in urban areas where the threat of assault weapons is presumably highest. Some 65.3 percent thought stricter gun control would be the least effective of several options to reduce crime. And 96.4 percent strongly supported firearms ownership for self- protection." For more information, try searching the Library of Congress' Thomas website at:
Congressional Record ([url="http://thomas.loc.gov/#record"]http://thomas.loc.gov/#record)

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Morganthau, Tom & Shenitz, Bruce. (August 15, 1994). Special Report: Gun Control: Too Many Guns? Or Too Few? Newsweek 124 (7) 44-45.

Statistical highlights from "Special Report:"

Half of the households in the United States have a gun.

Americans own between 65 million and 70 million pistols.

Americans own between 125 million and 130 million rifles and shotguns.

Americans own over a million so-called "assault weapons."

 

[Rich46yo]

""""""""I voted against Bush, BEFORE I voted against him." I could care less about guns being owned, I hate owners who leave them all over their house so that when Crackhead Fred breaks in he can pick and choose which ones he wants to steal."""""""

Typical liberalism thought. Blame the gun owner for the crackhead who commits a burglary and steals a gun. THEN blame the gun owner for the violent crime that the crackhead later commits with the gun. THEN blame "society" for allowing the crackead to become a crackhead, who steals a gun , who later uses the gun in a violent crime. THEN blame society for not paying for high priced lawyers to defend the crackhead, who stole the gun, who commits a violent crime with the gun owners gun. THEN blame the gunmaker, who lawfully made and sold the gun, to the law abiding gun owner, who had the gun the crackhead stole, and which he later used to commit the violent crime...........do I need to go on here? Is the pattern emerging?............Rich

 

[Luke9583]

All I heard was him saying that the gun owner should be prepared for the crackhead to steal his gun I didn't hear all that blaming.

And I agree with him!

 

[cman]

""""""""I voted against Bush, BEFORE I voted against him." I could care less about guns being owned, I hate owners who leave them all over their house so that when Crackhead Fred breaks in he can pick and choose which ones he wants to steal."""""""

Typical liberalism thought. Blame the gun owner for the crackhead who commits a burglary and steals a gun. THEN blame the gun owner for the violent crime that the crackhead later commits with the gun. THEN blame "society" for allowing the crackead to become a crackhead, who steals a gun , who later uses the gun in a violent crime. THEN blame society for not paying for high priced lawyers to defend the crackhead, who stole the gun, who commits a violent crime with the gun owners gun. THEN blame the gunmaker, who lawfully made and sold the gun, to the law abiding gun owner, who had the gun the crackhead stole, and which he later used to commit the violent crime...........do I need to go on here? Is the pattern emerging?............Rich

They will never get it because of their LOW SAT scores. OH wrong thread, sorry, my bad.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I would put my SAT score up against yours any day, and I was hungover when I took it.

 

[cman]

Democrats whine about the system. Republicans whine about democrats. Personally, I find anything politically oriented "annoying"

For someone who does not like political issues, you sure do show up here alot.
I wouldn't like it either if I supported a group of Stupid voters,low SAT children having, no logic AS* clowns.

 

[LAM]

I would put my SAT score up against yours any day, and I was hungover when I took it.

ha..ha...who wasn't

 

[Dale Mabry]

Actually, I just looked at the chart you provided, and the answer is in the chart itself.

There is a column that gives the %grads taking SAT for each state. At the top, Iowa had 5% of it's grads take the SAT, at the bottom SC had 56% of it's grads take the test. Even if I granted you the notion that SAT correlates perfectly to IQ, and that stupid people have stupid kids, the enormous discrepancy between the number of people who actually took the test is enough to invalidate the data. If we were to assume that both states had an equal number of students, 1000% more people took the test in SC than in IA. I would imagine the population of SC is much greater than that of IA, bringing that number to more like 10,000%.

Answer me this, would you be willing to bank on a bet that has a 5% chance of being a lock?

 

[cman]

Your just upset cause you can't understand common sense. Look at every SAT chart. they all say the same thing, Dems have dumb kids.

 

[Luke9583]

For someone who does not like political issues, you sure do show up here alot.
I wouldn't like it either if I supported a group of Stupid voters,low SAT children having, no logic AS* clowns.

Oh! I remember this game from middle school... Can I play too


Yea, well you're a dummy headed stupid weirdo


Wow, that was fun! Thanks

 

[maniclion]

All I heard was him saying that the gun owner should be prepared for the crackhead to steal his gun I didn't hear all that blaming.

And I agree with him!

Thanks Luke, I have no clue where they came up with all that other B.S. all I was saying is not let your weapons fall into the wrong hands as easily as they do now, lock them up when you're away so if someone breaks in they can't just walk into the closet and help themselves.

 

[cman]

Thanks Luke, I have no clue where they came up with all that other B.S. all I was saying is not let your weapons fall into the wrong hands as easily as they do now, lock them up when you're away so if someone breaks in they can't just walk into the closet and help themselves.

Quite voteing for dems who let criminals out after 2 years for rape and burglery.

 

[Luke9583]

Quite voteing for dems who let criminals out after 2 years for rape and burglery.

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