Looking to do first test cycle but have questions

[Avsfan24]

I know there's a million of these posts but I have some questions about my height and weight.
Im 26 years old and 6' tall but only weigh 165 lbs. I've been working out for a solid two years. Over that time I have gotten stronger and more defined but I can't seem to put weight on. I was eating around 3500 calories and 160 grams of protein a day. The past 3 months I have upped it to 4500 calories and around 200 grams of protein a day and haven't gained a pound. I probably have the worst genes for gaining weight since no one in my family is overweight.

I have access to test and nolvadex. I was looking at doing a 12 week cycle at 500mg a week. Would anyone disagree with doing this because of my weight? Or should I go another route? If this is a bad idea please tell me. I'm open to all suggestions.

Thanks

 

[VictorZ06]

BAD idea. Increase your caloric intake, and your protein intake should be around 2gr per body lb....so you should be eating around 330gr of protein a day. It's a little more than the norm, but since you have trouble gaining weight...I would advise it. I'm sure others will chime in. Good luck. One last thing....nolva is best used in case of an emergency. You are far better off with clomid come PCT time. But fix your diet first...




/V

 

[Avsfan24]

Ok cool thanks for the response man. Would you say there should be a goal body weight that I should try to hit before I would attempt a cycle? I'm like 5% body fat right now with zero cardio. My job is pretty physically demanding though so I think that's where I'm burning most if my calories.

 

[DaBeast25]

I'd be willing to bet you're not taking in nearly as many calories as you think... If you're hitting 200g of protein/day and taking in 4500cals you're macro-breakdown would have to be something along the lines of 100g of fat and 700g of carbs in addition to your protein. There is no way, you're 165, if you were eating that much...trust me, I'm naturally a very slim build myself and what I found after years of pumping massive amounts of protein into my stomach is that I'm better off focussing more on carb and fat intake(carbs especially) to gain.

Protein is needed to build muscle, yes... but there's also a reason that people who are overweight are encouraged to up there protein intake. For the most part high protein diets lead to weight loss due to the thermal effect of dietary protein and the fact that is satiates the appetite. You do need to consume enough protein, but don't let it get in the way of getting enough carbs to fuel your workouts. Also, as long as you're at a caloric surplus, your protein requirements are slightly lower compared to if you were dieting. Personally, at your weight I'd keep the protein at 200g and work on bumping carbs and fats up, but everyone responds slightly differently so you'll just have to play around with it. Definitely fix your diet first by counting your carbs and fats too, protein is not the only thing that counts

 

[Conceal30]

victor is the man, i would listen to anything he says... but if you dont then 500mg/wk of test would be a good first cycle, but dont run nolvadex along side thats for PCT. Use exemestane or arimidex. for exemestane you could start with a low dose, like 10mg a day and see how you feel, get blood work done to see where your at, with arimidex .25mg every other day. again get blood work and keep an eye on your estradiol, dont want it to high or to low. eat clean, no garbage and get you some protein like Ironmag Labs Whey protein isolate, its good stuff. make a nice big glass with 1% milk every night before you go to bed. I use it twice a day, in the morning with my oatmeal and a banana, and at night before bed.

 

[ldog]

Bro

Go get some bloodwork and let's look at your data. Are you on any meds? Unless you have a medical disorder, I'm not a big supporter of "I can't gain weight".

 

[lexar27]

To add to these guys and reply to OP, Ive done this journey man. Was always very slim at 6 foot though i was always a runner. Being that lovely skinny fat for many years. Lifting for only 2 solid years and ready to jump on? I dont think so lots of growing to do first. As one thing many guys here will say really need to dial in other factors first and build the best you canon your own to natty potential. If you are only eating 200 grams of protein a day and having a physically demanding job (this pretty much being your cardio you doing all day) its going to be rough putting on the size vs a guy at a desk all day. One thing i realized from my exp was i had to get rid of the long distance running, which i know from your post you arent doing and you cant really change what you do for work. So next up is diet and this is something that is serious work. Are you actually measuring your food down to the weight of your meat and carbs to know your macros? Im not much for counting calories as i am for just hitting my numbers from clean eating. The sooner i got a hang of the eating portions right and what im putting in and keeping track. At first i logged everything to try be accountable since i kept cheating myself. Try for 5/6 real meals a day and hit those weights hard. Then rest, thats when we grow. Sleep was an issue i had to change make yourself get that 7-8 hours a night. Lets get your natural size up another 20+ lbs and add some years to training serious before id play with the Test idea. Test shouldnt be used as a shortcut to try gain size when there are plenty of other main factors to look at.

Also what coneal said once you in a better position to start later down the road. Thats pretty much your basic starting point he laid out.

 

[Avsfan24]

I'm not on any meds but I'm lactose intolerant. The only dairy I can eat is Greek yogurt and a little bit if cheese.

 

[ldog]

Avs

I didn't mean to come across rude. With that said, I'm a big advocate on periodic bloodwork. In your case, it would benefit you to understand all the details of bloodwork data and how to manage the "Highs and "Lows". It would be a good exercise for you to get a CBC work up to include total test, free test,SHBG and others... thyroid data as well. If your going to play in this game long term, you have to be smart and know your body. I've learned the hard way bro.

 

[VictorZ06]

Blood work really is gold. I used to go twice a month, my doc and I are great friends. He will actually call me up and say, "Vic, come in for some blood work and let's grab a drink after work". I'm so lucky to have a doc like that....and he monitors everything, and taught me a great deal as well over the years. Good luck, and please read our stickies in regard to first cycles.




/V

 

[Avsfan24]

Thanks for all the info guys. I'll look into getting some blood work done.

 

[Stickmancqb]

Bro

Go get some bloodwork and let's look at your data. Are you on any meds? Unless you have a medical disorder, I'm not a big supporter of "I can't gain weight".

My first college roommate could not gain weight if someone held a gun to his head. We would weigh him before a 1/2 gallon blue bell ice cream and he would weigh less after the 1/2 gallon. Most fucked up thing I ever saw.

 

[Avsfan24]

I know all about it.^^^ the most I have ever weighed was 175. That was when I was like 22 and all I did was party and eat garbage all the time. When I quit doing that and started working out I dropped to under 160 in less than a week. At 18 I was 5' 11" and weighed 135. I have struggled with gaining weight my whole life.

 

[raysd21]

Have fun eating. Pizza. Peanut Butter sandwhiches. Steak with mashed potatoes. Then on top of that have a 10,000 calorie cheat day where you eat like 2 gallons of ice cream. You need to figure out how much you need to eat first. Taking gear is not going to make your body put on weight. All about food. Overall calories.

 

[SoCalSwole]

One thing I will add that is like Ray said all the gear in the world won't make you gain weight. All AAS does is increase protein synthesis and speed up the metabolic response to training. Without the food it won't put size on. I would agree with one of the above. Keep your protein around 250-300 and up the carbs and fat. Olive oil, avocados, nuts, peanut butter, Even the occasional pizza and burgers. Since your lactose intolerant, you can't take advantage of the many rich sources of fat in dairy. So add good oil to everything. A couple tablespoons in your protein shakes, and it to mashed potatoes everything. Fat grams are 9 calories each. Carbs and protein 4 each so it makes sense to easily add the cals with fat.

Once you start gaining, try to add no more than 2 pounds a week. Any faster and it is more than likely just fat. The point is not to get fat but to find out how high you have to put your calories so you can start growing. The diet is key if you can't gain naturally then you will not gain on gear. Gear only speeds up the process.

 

[ldog]

Dog

One other thought came to my mind: I would make certain that your workout routine is geared towards building mass....deadlifts,squats,bench...Etc. I like organic Chocalate milk post workout...incorporate some of that into your diet. Just random thoughts.

 

[SoCalSwole]

He said he was lactose intolerant. But yea too bad, nothing like whole milk or heavy cream to increase calories

 

[ldog]

Oh yeah. Can't go wrong with Krispy Creme donuts. I've been known to eat a whole box at one time. Cocoa Pebbles rocks too.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Oh yeah. Can't go wrong with Krispy Creme donuts. I've been known to eat a whole box at one time. Cocoa Pebbles rocks too.

In Cali we have a place near Beverly Hills called California donuts. They make donuts with cocoa pebbles on top. Also make these things called cronuts. Its a cross between a croissant and a donut. One of the best things I ever ate.

 

[ldog]

I'll have to check it out on my next Cali trip.

 

[SoCalSwole]

I'll have to check it out on my next Cali trip.

I highly recommend it!! Open 24 hrs too

 

[Greedy]

I personally don't see anything wrong with starting gear at 165lbs but with you being taller your quite a smaller/skinnier guy I would like to believe. My old roomate was 5'4 and got on gear at 160lbs and hit 200lbs in a year and a half and very lean but height plays a big facter. Just honestly if you truely have a hard time putting on weight eat shit food. You'll see weight gain. If not just don't want to be repetitive but like I'm on the same boat as others, bloodwork + properly shove good clean food down your throat.

 

[Greedy]

But if you want honestly, no one can stop you from hopping on whatever you want theres plenty of sources around here. Whats your bf%? And goals? Nothing wrong with nolva for test cycle too.

 

[Avsfan24]

I have been eating like a horse the past 12 days and I put on around 5 pounds. My goal is to be around 190 but low body fat. I don't wanna get huge because I like to play hockey and golf. The hardest area for me to put size on is my legs though. I'm squatting 185 for high reps but I really can't go much higher because my knees won't handle it.

 

[ldog]

Did you get bloodwork? It's good that you are gaining weight.....it can be done. Try switching to leg press.

 

[Greedy]

Yeah do leg presses^^^ or get knee wraps before your knees blow out. High reps is where its at but if you're stuck at 185 for reps then I'd advise you to atlease try to go abit heavier and see how you respond to it but if its too much then u always got diff alternatives.

 

[Tre]

Try ghrp 6 for a few years with a high cal diet...by high cal I mean 8000-9000 do a cycle of pizza and wings for 16 wks and follow up with a pct of chicken and rice

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