Lucid Dreaming/OBE

[lioness]

This is one of the many questions I have:

When a person experiences an OBE...is it a hallucination?

OR

Is it an opening of the mind?

or...(just thinking out loud now)...are SOME of these experiences hallucinations...and SOME real?

Our brains only use a small fraction of what they are capable of. I just wonder sometimes...if we stop having the ideas imposed upon us...ideas of what IS possible...and what IS NOT possible... maybe we are capable of far more than we realize.

BUT

Then some whackos go and about something they make up for attention. So, the people who've had actual experiences are put in that category too.

 

[fletcher6490]

Funny, I read a book about it a few days ago while I was reading a few books for the university. It was not a book about drug abuse but about DMT possible psychotherapeutic properties in helping patients dealing with problems, some psychologists tried to use it like prozac but it was never approved for hospital use because it is not totally safe. I dont know anything about party drugs, ask maniclion if you want to know something.

Anyway..

DMT, the active ingredient in plants that are used in latin america by tribes for shamanistic reasons is just extremely potent. Did you know that it is the only endogenous psychedelic we know? That means we produce it in our bodies as well but it is released only in a few occasions. It is stored in the pineal gland and it is closely related to melatonin and seratonin. Now the cool part about it, it is only released when a person is born, suffers near death experience or death itself.

It means that people that take this drug usually have a sense of dying and talking to other beings, they can call it angels or aliens. Some psychologists think that due a malfunction in the brain, DMT is released in ordinary occasions leading many to think they were abducted by aliens in spaceships.

I never tried it but if you do be aware, it is strong as hell.

Ya, I wrote a paper about DMT back in the day...Unfortanetly I don't remember a whole lot about it. I do know that scientists believe that because we do create DMT in our body, people who think that they have been ubducted(sp) by aliens may just be producing too much DMT. The drug is supposedly very strong and many people actually change their whole outlook on life after taking it.

Here is a little bit of info on DMT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine



Check out some of the testimonials of people that were on the drug here http://deoxy.org/hs_cehn.htm

This stuff sounds so crazy, I wanna take some. I mean, I've done acid and schrooms and never even came close to seeing and feeling what these people do while on DMT.

 

[Little Wing]

I just realized that this was written while I was practically asleep, I don't remember writing it at all. It came from my subconcious mind......

i heard this straight from the horse's mouth it's not a rumor. a well known author wrote a popular book (that later became a movie) in one night during a blackout and had no idea he had written a book that night.

 

[fufu]

It is kind of funny I noticed this thread because just two nights ago I was in like half sleep/half away paralysis. When I was able to move I yelled and jumped right out of bed and ran out my room I was so freaked out. It felt like my body was floating up when I couldn't move. It is like my body was still in sleep mode but my mind was awake.

Another interesting thing happens to me occasionally. I'll be laying in bed trying to go to sleep and all of the sudden I get the feeling in falling rapidly. Weird.

Do any of you guys have reoccuring dreams? Or dreams with a very similar scenario?

 

[fufu]

Wow, I just read alot of stuff from that DMT website. After reading what the experiences are like, it reminds me ALOT of the anime movie Akira.

 

[fletcher6490]

Wow, I just read alot of stuff from that DMT website. After reading what the experiences are like, it reminds me ALOT of the anime movie Akira.

Crazy shit, isn't it. The topic of DMT really interests me, it's amazing that very few people have heard of the drug before.

 

[fletcher6490]

Here are some more detailed reports of DMT users...I couldn't imagine feeling what these people felt, it just sounds so crazy.http://dmt.lycaeum.org/reports/reports.html

 

[Vieope]

This stuff sounds so crazy, I wanna take some. I mean, I've done acid and schrooms and never even came close to seeing and feeling what these people do while on DMT.

What happened in the mushroom trip?

 

[fletcher6490]

What happened in the mushroom trip?

Well, I've done mushrooms a few different times, and all were different experiences but only once did I see a bunch of crazy shit. For me, mushrooms just made me think of crazy shit and laugh, kind of like pot but x 1000, but one time I actually saw some stuff that was very cool. I think it was the second time I tried it, I went to a friends cabin (way out in the middle of fucking no where) and we took the schrooms on the car ride. As we were pulling up to the cabin I started feeling a bit strange and realized that they were kicking in, as did everyone else. When I got out of the car I could barely walk, but it wasn't a bad feeling, it actually felt very nice. Anyways, I started to walk toward this field and the coolest thing started too happen; the grass started changing colors on me, red, green, blue, orange, yellow and so on. I sat down, lit up a smoke and just watched the grass....it was so unbelievable. Then I laid back and started looking at the clouds, and the same thing started too happen; the clouds started changing colors on me and moving real fast. This was so great and I decided I had to tell someone, as I did that it all went away, so I went inside the cabin where they had started a fire in the fireplace. Before I knew it, I sat at that damn fireplace for 4 hours watching the flames dance and make different animals and people and shapes, there was so much going on in those flames. I sat there, smoked a full pack of cigarettes and thought about my life. It was the only time I had what I would call a "life changing moment", I actually learned a lot about myself that day.


That was my fun day, there were more things going on but I'm not a very good writer and couldn't possibly write what was going on in my head.

 

[Vieope]

You see that is a strong experience, I cant handle all that, looking at the fire for hours..

I will continue drinking only alcohol.

 

[fletcher6490]

You see that is a strong experience, I cant handle all that, looking at the fire for hours..

I will continue drinking only alcohol.

Yes, it was a strong experience. I could only imagine what smoking some DMT would be like though. I love how all that shit happens in the matter of like 15 minutes, man what a powerfull drug.

 

[fufu]

Crazy shit, isn't it. The topic of DMT really interests me, it's amazing that very few people have heard of the drug before.

Yeah I know. I am really interesting in this stuff. I have trouble trying to read long articles but this stuff is so interesting I read about it for like a half hour.

 

[fufu]

Well, I've done mushrooms a few different times, and all were different experiences but only once did I see a bunch of crazy shit. For me, mushrooms just made me think of crazy shit and laugh, kind of like pot but x 1000, but one time I actually saw some stuff that was very cool. I think it was the second time I tried it, I went to a friends cabin (way out in the middle of fucking no where) and we took the schrooms on the car ride. As we were pulling up to the cabin I started feeling a bit strange and realized that they were kicking in, as did everyone else. When I got out of the car I could barely walk, but it wasn't a bad feeling, it actually felt very nice. Anyways, I started to walk toward this field and the coolest thing started too happen; the grass started changing colors on me, red, green, blue, orange, yellow and so on. I sat down, lit up a smoke and just watched the grass....it was so unbelievable. Then I laid back and started looking at the clouds, and the same thing started too happen; the clouds started changing colors on me and moving real fast. This was so great and I decided I had to tell someone, as I did that it all went away, so I went inside the cabin where they had started a fire in the fireplace. Before I knew it, I sat at that damn fireplace for 4 hours watching the flames dance and make different animals and people and shapes, there was so much going on in those flames. I sat there, smoked a full pack of cigarettes and thought about my life. It was the only time I had what I would call a "life changing moment", I actually learned a lot about myself that day.


That was my fun day, there were more things going on but I'm not a very good writer and couldn't possibly write what was going on in my head.

I want to experiment with things like shrooms and lsd but I'm a very anxious person when it comes to health. I think I would be too worried to enjoy it. Then again, maybe I would.

 

[fletcher6490]

I want to experiment with things like shrooms and lsd but I'm a very anxious person when it comes to health. I think I would be too worried to enjoy it. Then again, maybe I would.

Well, I would suggest schrooms. Acid is really bad for you and to be quite honest, I liked schrooms a lot better than acid. Ecstasy(sp) is also very cool, although that is also really bad for you. I tried most drugs back in my highschool days, don't regret it for one second, but i'm pretty straight edge now. Alcohol works just fine for me now.

 

[fufu]

Well, I would suggest schrooms. Acid is really bad for you and to be quite honest, I liked schrooms a lot better than acid. Ecstasy(sp) is also very cool, although that is also really bad for you. I tried most drugs back in my highschool days, don't regret it for one second, but i'm pretty straight edge now. Alcohol works just fine for me now.

Yeah I stay away from pretty much everything. I only drink on occasion. I read that DMT occurs naturally in the human body. I am curious if there is some way to release DMT naturally.

 

[fletcher6490]

Yeah I stay away from pretty much everything. I only drink on occasion. I read that DMT occurs naturally in the human body. I am curious if there is some way to release DMT naturally.

Not quite sure if you can release it naturally. My guess would be no. It would be cool if you could though.

 

[fufu]

Not quite sure if you can release it naturally. My guess would be no. It would be cool if you could though.

I think there may be fuctions of the human body that we don't know about.

 

[fletcher6490]

I think there may be fuctions of the human body that we don't know about.

Yeppers

 

[Crono1000]

This is one of the many questions I have:

When a person experiences an OBE...is it a hallucination?

OR

Is it an opening of the mind?

or...(just thinking out loud now)...are SOME of these experiences hallucinations...and SOME real?

I think the answer's up for interpretation and personal experience, but I don't think the answer is linear enough to answer yes or no to either of those questions. It brings up the whole "What is considered real" point, which can either be a hippy rambling or a philosophical view on life. So it depends on where you stand there and what argument is being presented, because sure enough there's enough of both. In my experience, it's been about very vivid dreams and some unexplainable, very spiritual experiences. But I'm still grounded. I don't think the Matrix is real or hug trees rambling on about people's energy, but I'm a more optimistic person because even if nothing else I'm still enjoying a form of meditation that makes me relax and at peace.

 

[lioness]

...In my experience, it's been about very vivid dreams and some unexplainable, very spiritual experiences...

I like what you said, "...some unexplainable, very spiritual experiences..."

That is what I experienced...exactly.

 

[Crono1000]

ba shiggy dump

 

[EricCamper]

Cool...a OBE thread.......Well...Here is my little clip

When I was a kid I had LOTS of night terror.....Or nightmares...But worse..Would not sleep for perhaps a week or two.....Which by the way...is very bad for the body...lol....I would probably fall asleep for minutes at a time.....which probably kept me from just dying......anyways...I saw someone about it and they recommended something like a hypnotic therapy and then came along lucidity....I became so fascinated with it ..I got some books and started reading...Most people need a trigger......And a lot of people probably have Lucid dreams....BUT...they either wake up immediatly because they actually get dizzy...COMMON symptom.....or do not realize they what is happening.....MY TRIGGER.....was writing a C on my hand.....so throughout the day....I saw it...it rubbed on my clothes...etc...It wasa pin in the ass....BUT...when you are dreaming....and you see the C is MISSING...BAM...it hits you.......Again....you wake up........

My problem when I was little was that I COULD NOT WAKE UP....and my night terrors sucked and scared me to death....then I was just scared to sleep....Kinda freddy like huh...but true.....So...I had to develop a WAK UP TRIGGER....which I still have to this day....It is BLINKING my eyes...In dreams ...YOU DONT BLINK....at least I dont...And you dream in black and white....which is another thing that you develop is color.....But once I got passed the dizzy thing...and I did that by spinning in my dream....hehe.....It was another trigger thing.....but it could be ANYTHING.....snapping your fingers....clicking your heels...whatever your bag is baby......It is like adding years to your life......but in a cool dream like world........And...hehe...there are a lot of things you will go through......Well....Sex....hehe....Be careful.....in the beginning....It will be messy...Think about it.....And do not got to a bar in YOUR DREAM and use the bathroom.....But....these are things you will develop.....So...There is Lucidity 101...sort of....It will be different for most and I actually only know one person that can do it also......I love to fly.....Drive cars reaaly fast.....and have shit just appear at my will......And be careful...or you could end up like Dennis Quaid.......Name that movie folks...hehe

Later

Eric

 

[BigDyl]

Opening the mind is like entering the matrix. There is a collective concious world beyond the physical world. A very rare group of people enter this world and can view your own private conciousness while in a dream state. They can steal information and control you, or use it for good to help you.

 

[MyK]

Opening the mind is like entering the matrix. There is a collective concious world beyond the physical world. A very rare group of people enter this world and can view your own private conciousness while in a dream state. They can steal information and control you, or use it for good to help you.

do you mean the collective UNconscious??

 

[BigDyl]

do you mean the collective UNconscious??

I'll make you unconcious.

 

[MyK]

I'll make you unconcious.

I have to admit, your posts do have that effect on me!

 

[BigDyl]

I have to admit, your posts do have that effect on me!

 

[MyK]

EMOWNED!!~!~~!!~!~!!

 

[BigDyl]

EMOWNED!!~!~~!!~!~!!

 

[maniclion]

I had a very out of this world dream last night. I was running through the halls of this Grand Palace with walls of mother of pearl and a glass ceiling you could see the sky was a swirling color pallette with three moons of green, red and orange of varied sizes. The layout was the same as my home, my old high school, the ship I was stationed on and the neighborhood I live in. I knew my way around everywhere but I was lost, where there should have been a door was a painting of one of my memories if I stepped into it I would drop into a completely different section of my mind and the palace would either grow taller or wider. It was so surreal....