Mid Cycle Drop Off

[anabolix250]

Ok running Test E 250mg twice per week for 12-16 weeks. On week 7 now. It sounds stupid but the juice seems to have stopped working.....I have put on some weight, up approx 10kg's, which I am happy with but I do not feel the same strength, drive, energy, libido that I seemed to have in the first 2-5 weeks.....muscles feel flat and not as full either

I only had very minor symptoms of gyno, with slightly sensitive nips, but only very minor so I held off starting my AI (liquid stane) until week 6. I started using the AI mainly because I saw another poster complaining of the same type of symptoms and it turned out to be high Estrogen.

Anyone experienced a mid-cycle drop like this and was it down to High E? I am worried that maybe I was killing off too much E causing the symptoms, but I have only been taking 6.25mg of liquid stane EOD.....

I want to get some blood work done but it seems strange to me that I didnt experience more side effects if E was too high.....bloating,gyno etc etc?

 

[pieguy]

Just cause you're not bloated or showing gyno symptoms doesn't mean your e2 is fine. A thread last week had a guy who showed no signs of high e2 except lethargy and he ended up bumping up his test dosage unnecessarily to chase that feel good euphoria test gives. Apparently, this didn't help because his e2 was in the 60's or 70's and an increase in test only further exacerbated the problem.

6.25mg of stane eod is very little honestly and i'd try 25mg daily for a few days to see what comes of it. Maybe bump the test up a bit as well along with your increase in aromasin. bet it'll work. Only blood test will show the real answer tho which again, is probably your e2 levels being too high.

I will say tho that in week 8-10, there is a natural drop off in a cycle where people usually run an ender to push gains further. Something to do with myostatin release. I'm not sure it plays a role in this situation considering it sounds like you're new to AAS usage. I'd post your stats so vets can further assist you.

 

[GMO]

A mid cycle drop off is very common, as myostatin levels are greatly increased around week 7-8 or a cycle of aas. You can either up your dose of test to 750mg/wk, add in an oral like d-bol, or employ a myostatin blocker like Follistatin 344 to counteract this effect.

Here is a post by HeavyIron that further explains this phenomenon:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...o-steroids-quit-working-8-10-weeks-cycle.html

 

[anabolix250]

Interesting....so why do people always promote 12-16 week cycles?

Personally I have an inkling my E2 levels are high as pieguy said so will see how upping the AI dose goes.....

 

[Digitalash]

I would never wait until you start showing symptoms to start using an AI. You should be using it from day one IMO.

I don't think that's the problem however, most people get this effect around 7-8 weeks into a cycle. That's one of the reasons people blast and cruise, if you just stay on forever the gear doesn't have nearly the same effect.

 

[GMO]

Interesting....so why do people always promote 12-16 week cycles?

Because some long esters require a longer run...

If you know how to craft a cycle, you can avoid the myostatin issue using the methods I mentioned above.

 

[anabolix250]

Righto guys thanks for the help. Will see how I feel at the end of the week after running a little more aromasin.

 

[skinnyd]

Ok running Test E 250mg twice per week for 12-16 weeks. On week 7 now. It sounds stupid but the juice seems to have stopped working.....I have put on some weight, up approx 10kg's, which I am happy with but I do not feel the same strength, drive, energy, libido that I seemed to have in the first 2-5 weeks.....muscles feel flat and not as full either

I only had very minor symptoms of gyno, with slightly sensitive nips, but only very minor so I held off starting my AI (liquid stane) until week 6. I started using the AI mainly because I saw another poster complaining of the same type of symptoms and it turned out to be high Estrogen.

Anyone experienced a mid-cycle drop like this and was it down to High E? I am worried that maybe I was killing off too much E causing the symptoms, but I have only been taking 6.25mg of liquid stane EOD.....

I want to get some blood work done but it seems strange to me that I didnt experience more side effects if E was too high.....bloating,gyno etc etc?

Did you switch gear by any chance?

 

[Glycomann]

Could also be diet related.

 

[anabolix250]

No gear switching and diet dropped off a little the last fortnight or so but I can tell its not that. It was almost as if I had come off the gear without PCT....moody, small things irritating the shit out of me, lethargic in the gym, no longer lifitng weights like they were feathers, muscle tone dissapearing........like my test had dissapeared....or was all being turned into bloody estrogen!

I have been on 25mg liquid stane (aromasin) for the past three days and will continue for the next few with that dose to see if it helps.

 

[colej]

keeps us updated cause im going through the exact same deal!! gonna try some dbol and up my test a bit at the start off week 9 - 12. one more pinn in week 8 then ill try it.

 

[anabolix250]

Seems to be fairly common....Im hoping its managable with the liquidstane....feel like a girly man at the moment....haha. I will report in after the weekend!

 

[SloppyJ]

Myostatin.

 

[anabolix250]

Follistatin 344 --- So do you guys notice a difference towards the end of your cycle with this stuff? Will invest in some for cycle number two I am thinking based on everyone mentioning it!