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I am going to drastically increase my milk/egg intake very soon. I plan to drink about 6-7 cups of milk per day. I have in the past responded very well to milk/egg proteins to diet and gain muscle. I intend on making them a staple in my diet to get in my calories and protein. I will likely have only 1 whole egg per day, and I plan to drink whole milk.
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I get the drastic oxy moron here...I used to eat 1 whole egg and like 17 whites a day. I might supplement lunch with something like 1 whole and 5 whites....so maybe a dozen a day...hmmm...eggs...shakes...eggs...shakes...fish/chicken...shakes...shakes...repeat. *ducks*
Milk is easy protein, and contrary to what others are saying you can drink alot of it and still stay with a low body fat %. I drink about 3-4 glasses a day and im around 8-10% bf. (I use vitamin D whole milk)
When I was in the Navy the food sucked so bad I probably had 4-6 coffee cups of milk with every meal...I left the Navy at 205lbs 5'10lbs single digit BF...its fast food and booze that ruins you.
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i try to avoid eating things you can develop an allergy to
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i try to avoid eating things you can develop an allergy to
what are you referring to? You can develop an allergy to nearly any food.
I cut milk out of my diet for the first time in my life during my last cut. I slashed a shit ton of fat, and even now that I've just started a bulking cycle (a shit ton of test, deca, eq, anadrol, and later on anavar) I'm staying away from milk. Lactose is horseshit. If I want 13g of carbs, I'll get it from a complex source. And if I want 8g of protein, I'll pour a couple splashes of liquid egg whites into a bowl and nuke it.
i try to avoid eating things you can develop an allergy to
So you wear a fucking bandana over your head whenever you leave your house to protect yourself from developing an allergy to the sun? And I'm curious what type of protein supplements you use, considering the relatively high prevalence of whey allergy. And god forbid you eat a nut.
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Most Milk cows are given hormones to keep producing milk... these hormones, many times, make it into the milk(just like hormones, and some medications make it into mother's milk... if they are nursing).... this is where most people are getting the 'estrogen' thoughts from, though, a lot of the time it's actually a progestin(sometimes a mix of e2 and progestin) given to the cows....
Dairy products do have the tendency to cause 'bloat', and this can be amplified when on cycle, simply because anything that causes bloat off cycle, generally causes more on cycle.... this is all a matter of what you are willing to deal with, and if you mind the little bit of bloat that comes from dairy product... if you are bulking, it's not a big deal. If you are dieting, it is usually best to avoid dairy altogether....
As far as which kind of milk you drink.... fat free is not necessarily the best choice!!! Milk, and cheese is quite high in essential fatty acids... if you are going to drink it, and take in the lactose and maltose(which are not very good sugars for your body... they generally get stored as fat, if not used right away...) you might as well do yourself a favor and A:slow down the sugars with the fat... so you don't get quite as much insulin spike from the sugar... and also give your body a chance to TRY to digest the two main sugars in milk, without storing them as fat(this is more easily done when they are slowed down a bit) B: Take advantage of the EFA's in milk.... if you are going to drink it, and subject your body to all the bad sides, at least give your body the good sides from it(the EFA's)....
That being said... I don't think, if you are bulking, that milk is going to make any huge difference either good, or bad.. in how you gain, or anything else... Most people are taking the proper ancilliaries to not have to worry about the small amt of hormones(that generally are destroyed by the gut anyway... but I'm sure a TINY bit does get through) that are present in milk from cows that are given hormones(you can always pay a little more and get the milk from cows not given hormones, too....)... The lactose and maltose are the main issues in milk. Many people cannot properly digest these two sugars, and they cause stomach upset, gas, or any number of other effects.... many people that are lactose intolerant have no idea they are! You can help your body with this by taking a probiotic or an enzyme pill that has amylase, and lactase too, if you can find one with that in it... I think there is a product called Lactaid that has lactase in it... These two sugars definitely aren't the greatest carbs you could be putting into your body... but many people do far worse, especially when bulking! But, if you are going to drink it, you may as well drink the 2% or whole milk, just so it is digested a little slower, has a slightly lower glycemic index, and you get the benefits of the EFA's.... People always talk about 'cutting fat to lose fat'... this, if not done correctly, can lead to more problems than you could possibly imagine... I've said it a hundred times before(on here alone), FATS ARE NOT ALL BAD..... THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO PROPER NUTRITION, ESPECIALLY ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS!!!
Dairy products do have the tendency to cause 'bloat', and this can be amplified when on cycle, simply because anything that causes bloat off cycle, generally causes more on cycle.... this is all a matter of what you are willing to deal with, and if you mind the little bit of bloat that comes from dairy product... if you are bulking, it's not a big deal. If you are dieting, it is usually best to avoid dairy altogether....
As far as which kind of milk you drink.... fat free is not necessarily the best choice!!! Milk, and cheese is quite high in essential fatty acids... if you are going to drink it, and take in the lactose and maltose(which are not very good sugars for your body... they generally get stored as fat, if not used right away...) you might as well do yourself a favor and A:slow down the sugars with the fat... so you don't get quite as much insulin spike from the sugar... and also give your body a chance to TRY to digest the two main sugars in milk, without storing them as fat(this is more easily done when they are slowed down a bit) B: Take advantage of the EFA's in milk.... if you are going to drink it, and subject your body to all the bad sides, at least give your body the good sides from it(the EFA's)....
That being said... I don't think, if you are bulking, that milk is going to make any huge difference either good, or bad.. in how you gain, or anything else... Most people are taking the proper ancilliaries to not have to worry about the small amt of hormones(that generally are destroyed by the gut anyway... but I'm sure a TINY bit does get through) that are present in milk from cows that are given hormones(you can always pay a little more and get the milk from cows not given hormones, too....)... The lactose and maltose are the main issues in milk. Many people cannot properly digest these two sugars, and they cause stomach upset, gas, or any number of other effects.... many people that are lactose intolerant have no idea they are! You can help your body with this by taking a probiotic or an enzyme pill that has amylase, and lactase too, if you can find one with that in it... I think there is a product called Lactaid that has lactase in it... These two sugars definitely aren't the greatest carbs you could be putting into your body... but many people do far worse, especially when bulking! But, if you are going to drink it, you may as well drink the 2% or whole milk, just so it is digested a little slower, has a slightly lower glycemic index, and you get the benefits of the EFA's.... People always talk about 'cutting fat to lose fat'... this, if not done correctly, can lead to more problems than you could possibly imagine... I've said it a hundred times before(on here alone), FATS ARE NOT ALL BAD..... THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO PROPER NUTRITION, ESPECIALLY ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS!!!
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right, the word was "try" however, my body has shown a propensity for developing allergies to eggs and dairy (egg allergy of course being a temporary condition)
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Well, the phytoestrogens, for the most part, aren't 'strong' estrogens anyway... so they may displace estrogen at the receptor, or bind to the estrogen receptor, but they dont, for the most part, ellicit any great response.... That being said, I wouldn't intentionally consume tons of phytoestrogens, but If there is some amount of them in something I want to eat, it isn't going to keep me from eating it either.... I can't, off the top of my head, think of any phytoestrogens that are anywhere near as strong as estradiol(though there may be one that is not coming to mind)... so, at worst, you are getting one(phytoestrogen) attached at an e2 receptor, and elliciting a very weak response.... if you take nolva, you don't have anything to worry about there anyway...
I can only drink almond milk. If I drink milk I will be shitting every thing I eat. With some explosive diariah.. I once shit all over a bath room stall once on accident from milk. I had some ice cream from a road trip and had to go soooo bad. That I did not make my pants all the way down and while I was bending over I shit all over the back of my shirt and the entire stall it was fucking nasty. I left my shirt in there and just walked out like a fucking boss.
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Interesting. I think I have a bit of sensitivity to dairy, but usually only when I eat large amounts.
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You should look up foods that actually contain phytoestrogens, it's nearly impossible to avoid. For some reason, anti soy macho men think that only soy has phytoestrogens.
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because the usda has been incredibly effective at convincing the public that we must drink milk to be healthy. Americans are fully indoctrinated by meat and dairy nonsense.
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I'm fully aware of all the foods that have phytoestrogens... like I said, I don't go out of my way to eat them, but I'm going to eat what I want to eat.... phytoestrogens or not.... I wouldn't go purposefully gorge on phytoe rich foods, but I dont avoid them like the plague... They are no where near as strong as e2 anyway, and I take nolva year round, so no worries here.,..
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^^ This, and all the other USDA bullshit!!! That is part of why america is fat(because if you follow usda RDA of macro's, you will end up fat!), the rest of the reason is cause they eat like shit(even shittier than the USDA advises), and they are lazy!
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I worked for a program that helped kids from poor families get into college and we were enrolled in the "USDA healthy foods program." Basically, if we got kids to put foods that they deemed healthy on their food trays, we got reimbursed for a portion of the cost of the meal. The foods that they required to be on the trays were meat and milk. No requirement for veges, fruits, whole grains etc. that was there "healthy foods program." They were actually just ensuring that the cafeteria sold a shitload of milk and meat. The kids didn't even have to eat it, they just had to put it on their tray.
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also steroids are illegal which is bullshit
Lol. Sd you're a funny guy
Egg and/or dairy allergies are very common
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Thinking milk is great source of Ceasin (sp)? Slowest - longest protien ? Then there is the EFA thing. Vitam D, and B if your a bit anemic ? I don't mind a little puffyness ? If wrong, than been wrong my whole life ( that would suck ).
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^^^ This ... and it all just boils down to politics... who is paying who to recommend we eat certain things... the beef and dairy associations have deep pockets... so that is what is recommended... If you were to eat as the USDA advises, you would gain fat, be unhealthy as hell, and no way in hell would you EVER put on ANY muscle!!! but that is what they are advising in kid's lunches, etc, etc.... as well as telling adults, and everyone else for that matter, that they should eat these foods(that, if you look, are ALL subsidised by the US GOVT!)... it's not about nutrition, it never has been... it's alway been about where the money is at, where it is going, and whether or not you have deep enough pockets to get your way!
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yes, exactly! where in the fuck do these people get their thought process from.... oh yeah, there is no thought process going on in ANY politician's head... it's the 'ching ching' sound of a cash register is all they think about or hear!!!also steroids are illegal which is bullshit
Fucking birth control is legal!!! and if you are a man, and want to change yourself to appear to be a woman, they will give you all the hormones in the world for that! but WE, men, cannot get 'birth control'(not without jumping through some MAJOR hoops!), nor can we get hormones cause we want to look more 'manly',.... it's only OK, if you want to look 'womanly'... WTF is wrong here?!?!?!?
I had great results drinking a ton of milk and eating egg protein shakes post workout which was right before bed. For 2 years my primary source of protein each meal was milk. During those years I was in the best shape of my life and often accused of being on gear and I wasn't. Maybe different protein sources work differently with different people? I just know it worked so well for me I dont know why I ever stopped.
I enjoy a protein shake made with raw milk as my post workout meal. I have been told that milk is not good for cutting but I have been doing well with it. Then again, Although I've been consistently losing fat, I am fatter than most of the bros on here. On the other hand, I read that Bernard Macfadden, while eating a mostly vegetarian diet, drank 1-3 liters of Raw Milk a day and that dude was pretty cut in his time.
I've read a lot of stuff that's convinced me that we should really look at pasteurized, processed milk as totally separate from Raw Milk (Pottenger Study, Weston A Price stuff, other 'granola science'). Like processed meat vs. real cuts of meat. I'd like to think I always keep some healthy skepticism though. I would like to hear from someone who was actually lactose intolerant but could drink Raw Milk just fine; that's a common claim I find about Raw Milk.
Also, here is a link to an article about how soy is allegedly not good for you. I'm not gonna take a stand either way, since frankly, why the fuck would I ever deliberately choose to eat fucking soy? lol. I just don't care if it's 'bad' or not.
Soy Alert! - Weston A Price Foundation
I've read a lot of stuff that's convinced me that we should really look at pasteurized, processed milk as totally separate from Raw Milk (Pottenger Study, Weston A Price stuff, other 'granola science'). Like processed meat vs. real cuts of meat. I'd like to think I always keep some healthy skepticism though. I would like to hear from someone who was actually lactose intolerant but could drink Raw Milk just fine; that's a common claim I find about Raw Milk.
Also, here is a link to an article about how soy is allegedly not good for you. I'm not gonna take a stand either way, since frankly, why the fuck would I ever deliberately choose to eat fucking soy? lol. I just don't care if it's 'bad' or not.
Soy Alert! - Weston A Price Foundation
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That's a retarded, unscientific website. The problem is that extremists make the top of search results for stuff like that.
For example:
Although we know there is no link between autism and vaccines, if I were to do a search on it, I would end up w most of my search results being extremists spewing terrible information.
For example:
Although we know there is no link between autism and vaccines, if I were to do a search on it, I would end up w most of my search results being extremists spewing terrible information.
