National debt.

[caedus]

avid Patmon*?*USAF Electronics and Communications
There likely will be "pay-back" visited upon the "Ted Cruz" crowd of larcenous republicans by a plurality of American voters in the 2014 elections for their despicable act of trying to extract "ransom" (in the form of demanding defunding of Obamacare) in exchange for agreeing to pay our nation's debts to maintain the full faith and credit of the United States of America. So they have now crashed our country into a governmental shut-down. BE CLEAR ABOUT WHO DID THIS TO US (REPUBLICANS) AND PAY THEM BACK AT THE NEXT NATIONAL ELECTION IN 2014!

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

Man, the shit's out of whack because these guys purposefully want things this way!

Not being a homer, but the last D president we had balanced the budget..

Who got us into this mess, the party that had the intent to sabotage this president from day 1, and they even said so!

But I do wish I could see numbers like that every time I get an ATM receipt.

avid Patmon*?*USAF Electronics and Communications
There likely will be "pay-back" visited upon the "Ted Cruz" crowd of larcenous republicans by a plurality of American voters in the 2014 elections for their despicable act of trying to extract "ransom" (in the form of demanding defunding of Obamacare) in exchange for agreeing to pay our nation's debts to maintain the full faith and credit of the United States of America. So they have now crashed our country into a governmental shut-down. BE CLEAR ABOUT WHO DID THIS TO US (REPUBLICANS) AND PAY THEM BACK AT THE NEXT NATIONAL ELECTION IN 2014!

"May the force be with you all"

 

[exerciseordie]

They were told to fuck off because they're behaving like terrorist s holding our government hostage over a LAW that has already been past. There is no OBAMACARE, only THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/10/shutdown-debt-ceiling-explained OR GO TO WWW moveon.org the Republicans did this and to blame it on the Democrats is ignorance...no offense bro, but please learn some FACTS...

"May the force be with you all"

Everything you just said was opinion. I'm tired of people saying this shit. "They are playing like children to defeat a law that was already passed". Okay well let's see. Who passed the bill? Democrats. Who made the bill? Democrats. It was strong armed through the process to make it a law. It had no republican support or help. It wasn't even fucking read until it was passed. You need to learn facts. What the republicans are doing is completely legal, much like how obamacare was passed. I've said this once and I'll say it again. When you call those men terrorists, I think you should travel to Iraq. Maybe you should meet real terrorists. You are a disgrace for calling any innocent American a terrorist. Oh yea the republicans tried to lessen the damage of the shit down to blame the democrats for not passing it. Or you could be logical and think they tried to lessen the impact for the people. You should learn facts. Not speak opinions and claim fact off of ignorance.

 

[exerciseordie]

avid Patmon*?*USAF Electronics and Communications
There likely will be "pay-back" visited upon the "Ted Cruz" crowd of larcenous republicans by a plurality of American voters in the 2014 elections for their despicable act of trying to extract "ransom" (in the form of demanding defunding of Obamacare) in exchange for agreeing to pay our nation's debts to maintain the full faith and credit of the United States of America. So they have now crashed our country into a governmental shut-down. BE CLEAR ABOUT WHO DID THIS TO US (REPUBLICANS) AND PAY THEM BACK AT THE NEXT NATIONAL ELECTION IN 2014!

"May the force be with you all"

Actually both parties did this. Their offer could have been passed which would result in no government shut down. Again you are attempting to pass opinion as fact.

 

[troubador]

right, so the legislation that was passed that create those tax cuts must be fictional! LMAO

typical right winger response, attack the source when confronted with empirical data that shuts down their argument in it's tracks.

Page 10 is "The President?s Budget cuts the deficit and stabilizes the debt." not about tax cuts. Typical left winger, can't read.

Page 10 is propaganda. Spinning Obama’s Budget

 

[LAM]

Everything you just said was opinion. I'm tired of people saying this shit. "They are playing like children to defeat a law that was already passed". Okay well let's see. Who passed the bill? Democrats. Who made the bill? Democrats.

AAC was passed the exact same way the Bush tax cuts were in 2001 and 2003 via reconciliation. the very same tax cuts helping to drive massive deficits for a long as one can see. those tax cuts disproportionally favored the wealthy as all GOP tax policy does. but now when they want to reduce spending they want to do it on the backs of those that earn the least and have a complete lack of wealthy only further harming their long term economic outlook.

 

[exerciseordie]

AAC was passed the exact same way the Bush tax cuts were in 2001 and 2003 via reconciliation.

Have I said bush was a good president? If I have quote it so I can see. I have just said you can't blame Bush for Obamas short comings. Oh and I'm pretty sure it wasn't quite the same. Anyone can tell you with a brain that Obama pretty much forced the democrats to stand behind it. Doesn't take a whole lot, just the words from Obama "vote for it, or I will stand behind whoever runs against you" I would say that pretty well works. Oh and because some opinionated people here are all about facts, I know that is an opinion and can't be proven since probably was all spoken behind closed doors. Logically we can question why a bill that was never read was passed unless the people felt they had to pass it.

 

[LAM]

Have I said bush was a good president? If I have quote it so I can see. I have just said you can't blame Bush for Obamas short comings. Oh and I'm pretty sure it wasn't quite the same. Anyone can tell you with a brain that Obama pretty much forced the democrats to stand behind it. Doesn't take a whole lot, just the words from Obama "vote for it, or I will stand behind whoever runs against you" I would say that pretty well works. Oh and because some opinionated people here are all about facts, I know that is an opinion and can't be proven since probably was all spoken behind closed doors. Logically we can question why a bill that was never read was passed unless the people felt they had to pass it.

I was simply stating that both sides use reconciliation to pass legislation.

but now we see the crybabies on the right having a tantrum because they can't screw the poor and kick them when they are done like they would like to and that's just despicable.

 

[caedus]

Everything you just said was opinion. I'm tired of people saying this shit. "They are playing like children to defeat a law that was already passed". Okay well let's see. Who passed the bill? Democrats. Who made the bill? Democrats. It was strong armed through the process to make it a law. It had no republican support or help. It wasn't even fucking read until it was passed. You need to learn facts. What the republicans are doing is completely legal, much like how obamacare was passed. I've said this once and I'll say it again. When you call those men terrorists, I think you should travel to Iraq. Maybe you should meet real terrorists. You are a disgrace for calling any innocent American a terrorist. Oh yea the republicans tried to lessen the damage of the shit down to blame the democrats for not passing it. Or you could be logical and think they tried to lessen the impact for the people. You should learn facts. Not speak opinions and claim fact off of ignorance.

As a combat military veteran who served at Sheppard Air Force Base from 99 until a couple years ago at the 363 munitions squadron under the command of General Bergeron I can tell you my friend that not only have I been to Iraq and met actual terrorists, I have also killed a few. There are many definitions to what I would call a terrorist action, there's a fact for you. Where did you spend your tour of duty?

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

Actually both parties did this. Their offer could have been passed which would result in no government shut down. Again you are attempting to pass opinion as fact.

Their offer was no offer at all...it was an unreasonable demand

"May the force be with you all"

 

[exerciseordie]

Their offer was no offer at all...it was an unreasonable demand

"May the force be with you all"

In your opinion.

 

[caedus]

Everything you just said was opinion. I'm tired of people saying this shit. "They are playing like children to defeat a law that was already passed". Okay well let's see. Who passed the bill? Democrats. Who made the bill? Democrats. It was strong armed through the process to make it a law. It had no republican support or help. It wasn't even fucking read until it was passed. You need to learn facts. What the republicans are doing is completely legal, much like how obamacare was passed. I've said this once and I'll say it again. When you call those men terrorists, I think you should travel to Iraq. Maybe you should meet real terrorists. You are a disgrace for calling any innocent American a terrorist. Oh yea the republicans tried to lessen the damage of the shit down to blame the democrats for not passing it. Or you could be logical and think they tried to lessen the impact for the people. You should learn facts. Not speak opinions and claim fact off of ignorance.

Facts contained in the link....exerciseordie but don't talk politics....your horrible at it, talking about terrorists to a combat veteran like you know something about terrorists. You know nothing, but you do have some very strong opinions and you are entitled to them , so my friend I'm afraid we must agree to disagree because I don't think a head butt is an option for either one of us right now.

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

In your opinion.

Can you please remind me what exactly where offer was again because I'm sure the people on this board would love to know.

"May the force be with you all"

 

[exerciseordie]

As a combat military veteran who served at Sheppard Air Force Base from 99 until a couple years ago at the 363 munitions squadron under the command of General Bergeron I can tell you my friend that not only have I been to Iraq and met actual terrorists, I have also killed a few. There are many definitions to what I would call a terrorist action, there's a fact for you. Where did you spend your tour of duty?

"May the force be with you all"

Oh also I can't say I have served. I was turned away for medical reasons when I tried to join the Air Force. Not sure what sadder though, the fact that you have met real terrorists and are calling people simply doing what they can to stop the government for obtaining further control of us, or that you are still passing opinions as fact. Lol you should look up the definition of fact.

 

[exerciseordie]

Facts contained in the link....exerciseordie but don't talk politics....your horrible at it, talking about terrorists to a combat veteran like you know something about terrorists. You know nothing, but you do have some very strong opinions and you are entitled to them , so my friend I'm afraid we must agree to disagree because I don't think a head butt is an option for either one of us right now.

"May the force be with you all"

You have done nothing besides spew opinions and claim facts. You also belittle others for their opinions and then claim "your entitled to your opinions. I would say I do a decent job at debating, since you have yet to prove anything I have said wrong. Just two different points of view. Idk why you spew hate, it doesn't look good for a 30 post member to come in and claim the know everything.

 

[exerciseordie]

Can you please remind me what exactly where offer was again because I'm sure the people on this board would love to know.

"May the force be with you all"

This comment makes no sense. Now I will not be replying to this thread anymore, I have better things to worry about. Carry on though.

 

[caedus]

This comment makes no sense. Now I will not be replying to this thread anymore, I have better things to worry about. Carry on though.

Can you please remind me what their offer was? Typo with voice recognition on phone sorry

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

You have done nothing besides spew opinions and claim facts. You also belittle others for their opinions and then claim "your entitled to your opinions. I would say I do a decent job at debating, since you have yet to prove anything I have said wrong. Just two different points of view. Idk why you spew hate, it doesn't look good for a 30 post member to come in and claim the know everything.

Claim "the" know everything... Be sure to check for your own typos before you criticize anyone else for their mistakes. I don't give a s*** about my post count and I don't care about how it looks. It says open chat so I'm openly chatting.... Post count is my absolute last concern. I am primarily here to learn and I regret coming to the open chat board because the majority of the opinions listed are very ignorant including my own and I usually don't like contributing to such chaos, but what can I say you got me excited. Have a good day brother. And again f*** my post count. I gave you a piece of my mind, deal with it.

"May the force be with you all"

 

[exerciseordie]

Claim "the" know everything... Be sure to check for your own typos before you criticize anyone else for their mistakes. I don't give a s*** about my post count and I don't care about how it looks. It says open chat so I'm openly chatting.... Post count is my absolute last concern. I am primarily here to learn and I regret coming to the open chat board because the majority of the opinions listed are very ignorant including my own and I usually don't like contributing to such chaos, but what can I say you got me excited. Have a good day brother. And again f*** my post count. I gave you a piece of my mind, deal with it.

"May the force be with you all"

I wasn't criticizing you, I just didn't understand what you meant...
You didn't just debate, but attack people for their views.....
Openly chatting, yes, but you should try to do it with respect...as all of us should do.

Oh and you have a good day too lol

 

[caedus]

God bless America

"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

I wasn't criticizing you, I just didn't understand what you meant...
You didn't just debate, but attack people for their views.....
Openly chatting, yes, but you should try to do it with respect...as all of us should do.

Oh and you have a good day too lol

My bad...my inner warrior likes to fight, not to mention all the hormones I inject make me a lunatic...sorry if I came off the wrong way dude.

"May the force be with you all"

 

[exerciseordie]

My bad...my inner warrior likes to fight, not to mention all the hormones I inject make me a lunatic...sorry if I came off the wrong way dude.

"May the force be with you all"

Haha same for me bro! No hard feelings, like I said two different points of view. I am sorry if I came off the wrong way also.

 

[KelJu]

I often wonder what is actually happening that those in charge of the budget, that see this as plainly as us, are unable to make decisions to correct it. It's not like they are dummies.

I guess, like the example, I know my credit card is maxing out, but I have to charge my child clothes on it so they can go to school. I still have to make repairs to my roof that is leading even though I don't have the money to fix it. Where can I cut back? My cell phone service? My cable television? Food?

My point is not to say that they are doing the best they can. I just can't imagine what they must be dealing with to be a leading analyst and not only not be able to fix a bad situation, but make decisions that seem to make it worse.

Because it doesn't matter. It is all bullshit.

 

[LAM]

Typical left winger, can't read.
Page 10 is propaganda. Spinning Obama?s Budget

LMAO..that's why the left dominates in science and advanced degrees in the US! you find no radical right wingers teaching in the sciences or holding top R&D positions in any fields. but keep believe you guys are the "smart ones'...

which states have the highest poverty rates? which states have the lowest wages? which states don't host the majority of global 500's in the US? which states receive more tax dollars then they pay? which states have the lowest GDP's and lowest per capita incomes? which states have the lowest mean IQ and ACT test scores?

the RED states

 

[troubador]

LMAO..that's why the left dominates in science and advanced degrees in the US! you find no radical right wingers teaching in the sciences or holding top R&D positions in any fields. but keep believe you guys are the "smart ones'...

which states have the highest poverty rates? which states have the lowest wages? which states don't host the majority of global 500's in the US? which states receive more tax dollars then they pay? which states have the lowest GDP's and lowest per capita incomes? which states have the lowest mean IQ and ACT test scores?

the RED states

This is getting kinda sad. You really think I was commenting on the left. Look, you fucked up about the page 10 thing and ended up looking like an asshole. This my state can beat up your state rant isn't helping your image.

 

[Bowden]

This is getting kinda sad. You really think I was commenting on the left. Look, you fucked up about the page 10 thing and ended up looking like an asshole. This my state can beat up your state rant isn't helping your image.

Originally Posted by troubador Typical left winger, can't read.

Lams is a correct statement.
The red states have the highest level of poverty, earn the lowest wages and receive the highest levels of federal assistance.
They also have the highest levels of residents that do not have college degrees.
If anything red state right wing conservatives due to their lack of educational achievement have a lower level of reading comprehension than blue state liberals.

 

[Swiper]

so you're saying if we terminate all republicans and only had democrats run the country and the states we'd have a flourishing economy with no poor people?

 

[heckler7]

bottom line we elected these fuckers, they are getting paid more in one year than I'll make in my lifetime. they have the best healthcare our money can provide, they fly on private jets, all paid for by us. There are folks now working for free hoping to get their jobs back. These officials are on vacation and getting paid. I don't wanna hear all the he said she said bullshit. get the fucking budget fixed

 

[IronAddict]

bottom line we elected these fuckers, they are getting paid more in one year than I'll make in my lifetime. they have the best healthcare our money can provide, they fly on private jets, all paid for by us. There are folks now working for free hoping to get their jobs back. These officials are on vacation and getting paid. I don't wanna hear all the he said she said bullshit. get the fucking budget fixed

And even in this gov shut down with lots of the gov employees not being paid, these people responsible for this sick ass gov lock down are being paid. And they'll vote themselves a raise the next time it comes around again.


A couple of days ago a woman was shot to death on Capitol hill by the Cap. hill police, and they weren't even being paid.

Who says you have to pay the rabble to do your dirty work!

 

[Zaphod]

so you're saying if we terminate all republicans and only had democrats run the country and the states we'd have a flourishing economy with no poor people?

Not at all. He's stating a fact.