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Natty with 20 in guns

Im gonna go start a new thread in another section so you can high jack it and troll some more.
 
so you have totally changed in 3 months...lets see them abs and veins at 305
Kos i know this is very hard for you to grasp but people can make great improvements and cut bodyfat in 90 days with hard work and clean diet...If you put as much energy into your training as you do trolling and following me around on here you wouldnt look like you do.
 
Lol this shits retarded. I don't give a shit about any opinions/statements/whatever in here, but I figured I'd add a couple cents on he actual topic at hand...whether or not a natural guy can have 20" arms. I actually do have a buddy that's about 5'9" with slightly over 20" arms. Not fat but no abs either. His arms are fairly lean. He drinks at least a 30 pack of PBR a day, and works construction. He was at just under 19" and a while back I got him to lift a little bit here and there...one of the naturally strongest people I've ever met in my life, swear he picked up a straight bar with 205 on it and curled it for 12 with not too damn bad of form the first day I got him to lift. Fuckin insanity. Anyhow, his arms got to a little over 20 within a month of lifting a few times a week. I was shocked. And he was drinking incessantly the whole time and not hardly eating shit. Anyhow, its possible lol, I've seen it with my own eyes.
 
Your the one coming off as a douche and claiming to be a mind reader now...You couldnt be more wrong about me...I came to this forum to learn more and plan my first cycle but instead was attacked by trolls who tried to make me look like a liar...I defended myself and that is my right, if you dont like it dont read my posts or block me...That would be much more logical then insulting me.

Honestly take a step back and look at your posts.
Now you are reattacking me.
You can never just take some criticism with a grain of salt.
I never claimed to be a mind reader and If you think I am a douche then I cant argue with that because those are YOUR thoughts and I dont go around arguing with other peoples THOUGHTS.
You can turn this into a competition as well or you can just start taking the critism and trying to learn from it.
If you came here for help with your first cycle then you have to be open my man.
Dont get caught up in that AG section firing back and forth with these guys.
Just let people criticize you and your cycle and take it like a man.
 
Honestly take a step back and look at your posts.
Now you are reattacking me.
You can never just take some criticism with a grain of salt.
I never claimed to be a mind reader and If you think I am a douche then I cant argue with that because those are YOUR thoughts and I dont go around arguing with other peoples THOUGHTS.
You can turn this into a competition as well or you can just start taking the critism and trying to learn from it.
If you came here for help with your first cycle then you have to be open my man.
Dont get caught up in that AG section firing back and forth with these guys.
Just let people criticize you and your cycle and take it like a man.
Im trying to take your advice but this kos guy is obsessed with me he has even started threads about me...He highjacks all my threads/posts and trolls nonstop...Its sad.
 
Im trying to take your advice but this kos guy is obsessed with me he has even started threads about me...He highjacks all my threads/posts and trolls nonstop...Its sad.

I got nothing against KOS.
Personally I find him and this whole fued with you two very entertaining.
But dude, fuck it!
just leave it be.
it might be too late. who knows

edit note*** I still think you can learn from all these dudes hating on you.
 
I got nothing against KOS.
Personally I find him and this whole fued with you two very entertaining.
But dude, fuck it!
just leave it be.
it might be too late. who knows

edit note*** I still think you can learn from all these dudes hating on you.
See posts like this make me question your sincerity...You critisize me for my posts against those hating on me and tell me im being conceded and that i should just stop, then you say you find it all entertaining?
 
See posts like this make me question your sincerity...You critisize me for my posts against those hating on me and tell me im being conceded and that i should just stop, then you say you find it all entertaining?

ya its entertaining to me.
I am still being sincere.

** you said all you wanted was help on your first cycle.
I am just trying to let you know how to go about getting the most help possible.
because, as you already know, there is a lot of knowledgeable people here.
 
here, I'll put in terms thats easy to understand

its about how LEAN you are WITH MUSCLE mass

even simpler term

a fat chick with huge double D tits is still a FAT CHICK ..when/if she gets lean she has little skinny boobs


fairly lean in the arms doesn't count, "fairly lean" in general doesn't count
people ALMOST always underestimate their bodyfat percentage
I'd put based on photos and vids that have been put up that you're an easy 30% bf...I'm not hating dude...I agree you're probably pretty strong..you're by all accounts a big dude ..based on your size I'd chase powerlifting not bodybuilding
and I never attacked you once yet you come back at me with...well where did you get your degree, mickey d's?
I'm not going to put my shit out there like you have but physiology is one area I PROMISE I know about than you...so like was also said in this thread..don't engage the trolling and sit back and LEARN instead of being a know it all that doesn't
 
Back to the original question. It's possible but rare. I know 1 guy who totally natural had( may still have) 20 in. Arms. Google James "Bubba" Wommack. He walked onto the 92 US bobsled push team. Tgara the same team Herschel Walker and Willie Gault were on. He was natty as could be and had 20s since he was in high school. Just a freak of nature. Hell hes in his late 40s now and hasnt trained any significant amount un 4-5 years ans still has huge arms and hes probably never been above 15-16% bf in his life. But he's far from an avg person.

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Back to the original question. It's possible but rare. I know 1 guy who totally natural had( may still have) 20 in. Arms. Google James "Bubba" Wommack. He walked onto the 92 US bobsled push team. Tgara the same team Herschel Walker and Willie Gault were on. He was natty as could be and had 20s since he was in high school. Just a freak of nature. Hell hes in his late 40s now and hasnt trained any significant amount un 4-5 years ans still has huge arms and hes probably never been above 15-16% bf in his life. But he's far from an avg person.

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are you sure thas how you spell it?
I googled it nothing came up.
tried without the "bubba" as well.
 
Yeah. I googled it. 1st hit was an LA times story about the odd collection of athletes on the 92 bobsled team. Idk how to post links from my phone or id pyt it up but its no BS. Ive known the guy for yrs

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Yeah. I googled it. 1st hit was an LA times story about the odd collection of athletes on the 92 bobsled team. Idk how to post links from my phone or id pyt it up but its no BS. Ive known the guy for yrs

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ok now i see it...
I only google image searched it to see the dude's pic.
 
I dont know if pics are in those articles. When i get to a pc ill see if i cant find any to post. Dude was a specimen though for natty. God knows what he couldve done with tren.

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Genetics of course play the roll in that. Im natural and have over 20 inch arms. Granted im 6'4 and my arms dont look stupid big. Theyre actually pretty proportionate to the rest of me. I think Rich Piana said it best. Dudes with 2 inch dicks are gonna look at 12 inch dicks and say thats just not possible, thats fake. No its real. Genetics are different for everyone. There are guys that are massive and look awesome and totally natural. There are guys that take 2+ grams a week of anabolics and cant break 180lbs. This is an old argument. Shit in high school I had 24 inch arms. My bodyfat was pretty high though lol...probably 22-24%.
 
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