Natural Bodybuilders

[V Player]

Originally posted by chiquita6683
Ummmmmmmmmmmm...........................i THINK its~

something bout im very beautiful? or easy? idk!

No. Definately not easy. But you have the rest right. And Spanish IS the most romantic language in the world. Anyone who has ever had the pleasure of listening to a love song in Spanish will agree with me. Its not just in the words, its the way the language rolls with the emphasis and accents on different parts of the words that English just does not have. Some are enough to make a man cry. And yes, I have.

 

[MeLo]

hold on a min... i do not use pro-hormones... but they say you're aren't a natural if you use it?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by MeLo
hold on a min... i do not use pro-hormones... but they say you're aren't a natural if you use it?

Opinions vary on this.

 

[sentricyphen]

But then again if you test positive on PH's you can't compete in most natural competitions.(at least the ones I've checked into)
Not sure how long it stays in your system, or if they ever use a polygraph(which would be more effective IMO)

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by sentricyphen
But then again if you test positive on PH's you can't compete in most natural competitions.(at least the ones I've checked into)
Not sure how long it stays in your system, or if they ever use a polygraph(which would be more effective IMO)

Actually, polys are the easiest things in the world to pass.

 

[sentricyphen]

really? how do you get around that?

 

[PreMier]

You just need to stay calm, and BELIEVE everything that you are saying. Just keep telling yourself over and over that you didnt use, untill you pretty much believe it. Basically brainwash yourself.

 

[sentricyphen]

I'd still be nervous, and would screw it up

 

[PreMier]

Yea, some people(see GoPro) are just good at lying

I would probably mess it up too.

 

[nikegurl]

I almost messed mine up....AND I wasn't even lying.

(seriously)

 

[PreMier]

What were you taking a lie detector for?

 

[maniclion]

I passed mine and I lied twice.

 

[gopro]

During one of MY lie detector tests, the tester told me that I was SO calm that HE thought I was lying about something even though the test was clean. He wanted me to take it again!

First off, don't have anything to lie about. Second, either just be really calm throughout, or a total basket case throughout, and you will pass. The test only really looks for zig zags produced by calm to nervous or vice versa.

 

[chiquita6683]

sorry if i said anything inappropriate in here!

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by chiquita6683
sorry if i said anything inappropriate in here!

Like what?

 

[Johnnny]

What are you all taking lie detector tests for?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Johnnny
What are you all taking lie detector tests for?

For natural bodybuilding contests...well, me anyway. Others may also have to take them for their job or for an interview or something similar.

 

[maniclion]

Security clearance.

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by gopro
First off, don't have anything to lie about.

I know.. Hence the big cheesy grin ( )

 

[chiquita6683]

Originally posted by gopro
Like what?

um i just said that in all the threads i subscribed to.....i just had a nervous breakdown i was very inapropriate in my old journal and some pms, so wasnt sure

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by chiquita6683
um i just said that in all the threads i subscribed to.....i just had a nervous breakdown i was very inapropriate in my old journal and some pms, so wasnt sure

Well, if you said something bad, you are forgiven...by me at least

 

[Johnnny]

What is chiquita6683 talking about? I've never seen anything bad by her?

 

[Dipsh!t]

i might not read threads in between, is creatine clarify as "other supplements"?

 

[eskimo515]

Creatine seems so basic, like taking an MV, that it belongs in the first category. I took the second one to include PH's.

 

[universe]

drugs such as steroids totally change a person's biological make up in a short amount of time and give that person an unholy advantage over natural body builders.
A natural bodybuider would be someone who takes no protein or vitamin supplements.
You people are getting way to deep. Is the universe infinite?

 

[slavne]

I am not the expert for steroids or other drugs. The only thing I am using to support my gym exercising is protein. My brother was a competitive weightlifter for years ago. He was living at village: clean air, good food, never thought of drinking or cigars, no cancer history in the whole family whatsoever, naturally strong build, never tasted hamburger, got his doctor's degree diploma, no stress, had some national awards. The only thing we know that during competitions he used some supplements in "some" quantities.
He is dead for two years now. He just got his diploma and started working as a doctor. The man who never had shred of illness years after his competitions got his lungs completely black from carcinoma. He died in such a great pain. Nobody knows why the decease was so extremely fast in his case. And we shall never know what realy happend with such a strong man who even got the formal medical doctor education.
I am not sure but I read somewhere that lungs are one of the targets of bodybuilding "supplements".
Yes, I am putting quotes around "supplements". Because that is how big bugs industry wants you to call them. They will always find naive people who will do everything for the sake of competitions and for getting "advantage" over the next competitor. Because the perils of drugs seems too far for them. They think they can control the usage. Until the things go wrong one last day even after a lot of time.
I shall probably not post any more of my messages on this thread because for clever people one notice is enough. For others though, thousands of messages are the waist of time.

 

[madden player]

I have been natural for life...I never used steriods (this includes all otc steriods). I do use supplments which include whey protein, creatine, glutimine, every vitimin and mineral you can think of, herbals like tribulus, st. johns wort and valerian and last but not least the ECA stack.

IMO if you never added hormones illegal or otc to your body to try and boost athletic performance or add a few pounds of muscle you are natural.

 

[gopro]

drugs such as steroids totally change a person's biological make up in a short amount of time and give that person an unholy advantage over natural body builders.
A natural bodybuider would be someone who takes no protein or vitamin supplements.
You people are getting way to deep. Is the universe infinite?

We are just a bunch of very deep thinkers over here...we just can't help it. Now, is the Universe infinite? Hmmm, a better question might be, "is the universe natural?" I heard it was taking prohormones...

 

[PreMier]

Interesting post from Avant-

I also happen to agree with this. So many of the claimed "naturals" are not.

First, the PH/PS-vs-steroid distinction is, in most instances, a ploy used by supplement companies to try and keep the government off their backs. So, don't kid yourself, 4AD and 1-test, along with many others "PHs" and "PSs", are, by definition, steroids, and anabolic-androgenic (AAS) ones at that. These "PHs" and "PSs" just happen to be legal for the time being.

So, if you want to go at this decision as objectively as possible, forget the word games and legal wrinkles. Be honest with yourself about it, and start with "calling a spade a spade": You are considering taking AAS.

Now, think about that. Does that alter your perspective at all? I am not saying it should, but it may in some people. Nevertheless, facts is facts.

Second, you are right in recognizing the specious distinction, in an absolute and objective sense, between *other* supplements and steroids. In the absolute sense, any AAS is a "supplement" (ie "that which makes an addition to" ). As you know, like creatine, taking steroids alone will not give you the physique you desire - there are other things you must do than simply imbibe. The supplement-steroid distinction , like the natural-"unnatural" distinction at this point, only exists in law and rules of governing bodies for certain competitive events. Not that these laws or rules shouldn't be part of your consideration, they should; however, looking at these distinctions from an absolute and objective standpoint may also give a better perspective.

So, to further clarify the matter: You are considering supplementing your bodybuilding lifestyle* with AAS.

Now, your reasons for using or not using AAS is from where your decision should be made. In the end, you need to be happy with who you are, the decisions you make, etc., regardless of what anyone pro or con thinks. A lot of people will say "Yeah, go for it!" and a lot will say "No, you don't need them." Who cares??? You are the one that will have to live with your decision, not anyone else. So, whatever you decide, do it for you and only you.

In terms of practical considerations:

How would a "Yes for AAS" decision affect the way you compete? Is one cycle enough to ban you for life from some events, organizations, etc.? (I don't know much about bbing competitions)

 

[madden player]

We are just a bunch of very deep thinkers over here...we just can't help it. Now, is the Universe infinite? Hmmm, a better question might be, "is the universe natural?" I heard it was taking prohormones...

....Hmmmmmmmmmm....I'm not a physicist, but the prohormones would explain why the universe continues to expand...

On a more serious note, a steriod is a steriod. It is common knowledge to most educated bodybuilders that androstenedione is a STERIOD!!!

If you think you are natural and you take any form of andro you are a in denial. My advice is to grow a sac!!!

Train smart, eat smart, rest lots and your body will make all the hormones it needs to support all the muscle you ever wanted.