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Alright, so i was bulking, i went from 158 to 195 in 2 months, ive been off cycle for 3 months now the only problem was that when i was bulking i lost my 6 pack. So now im cutting and I want to know what is the best fat burner that burns fat but keeps current or even builds more muscle at the same time? Right now I have a 4 pack goin on and i want to get rid of my lower abdominal fat and get a nice clean cut 6 pack
 
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N21 said:
Alright, so i just finished bulking, i went from 158 to 195 in 2 months, the only problem was that when i was bulking i lost my 6 pack. So now im cutting and I want to know what is the best fat burner that burns fat but keeps current or even builds more muscle at the same time? Right now I have a 4 pack goin on and i want to get rid of my lower abdominal fat and get a nice clean cut 6 pack
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If you cut too soon after a bulk, you are going to lose a great deal of the muscle you just gained. Your body needs to become accustomed to carrying around all that extra weight before you start cutting down.

My advice is to stay in maintenance mode for a few months, then start cutting. ECA is an excellent fat burner BTW.
 
GMO said:
If you cut too soon after a bulk, you are going to lose a great deal of the muscle you just gained. Your body needs to become accustomed to carrying around all that extra weight before you start cutting down.

My advice is to stay in maintenance mode for a few months, then start cutting. ECA is an excellent fat burner BTW.
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Ive been off cycle for 3 months
 
jmorrison said:
I've tried several, and you just can't beat ECA. I have even used Clen, and didn't get any better results than the standard EC stack.
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when you say ECA, is BPI Sports Roxylean ECA what your talking about?, and with ECA do you keep your muscle and just burn fat?
 
ephedrine,caffiene, and asprin. gorillajack has good prices and fast delivery. I have lost a ton of wieght using it I dont use the asprin though, start bruising alot.
 
bwrag said:
ephedrine,caffiene, and asprin. gorillajack has good prices and fast delivery. I have lost a ton of wieght using it I dont use the asprin though, start bruising alot.
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i read you can get a heart attack form the ECA stack... lol
 
N21 said:
i read you can get a heart attack form the ECA stack... lol
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Evidence of serious harm is based only on self-reports of uncontrolled use by supplement users; when EC has been used as medically prescribed or in controlled studies, evidence of cardiovascular risk has not been proven

I would imagine that you could have a heart attack from just about any stimulant. There is more scientific research and real world application of ECA backing up its safety (if used responsibly) and effectiveness than any other thermogenic in the world. Here are a few articles with information and dosage.

ECA stack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bodybuilding.com - The ECA Stack!

The ECA Stack

Hope this helps.
 
However don't lean on a fat burner to do the work. Your diet, training & cardio are your foundation.
 
Some good ones have been mentioned... I'd also suggest either PES Alpha T2 and Erase or maybe PES Shift with some DS Adrenalean. For stand alone, I'd say IForce Adipoxil or even Gaspari Phenorex. Lean Xtreme is another great addition to any of these for cortisol control.

If you are cool with prohormones, PP's AndroLean is crazy good
 
what do you guys think about stacking BPS Combustion, Alpha-T2 PES, Shift PES and Phytoserms 347? or is that too much?
 
sassy69 said:
However don't lean on a fat burner to do the work. Your diet, training & cardio are your foundation.
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Definitely. The best thermo can't make up for a lousy diet. Supps are the icing on the cake to make an already solid cutting program more endurable/efficient.

N21 said:
what do you guys think about stacking BPS Combustion, Alpha-T2 PES, Shift PES and Phytoserms 347? or is that too much?
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You don't need Alpha-T2 and Shift; I'd just do one or the other. Considering Shift is free with Combustion right now, I'd go with Shift.

Phytoserms would not be my first choice for a test booster, but that's personal opinion.
 
Resolve said:
Definitely. The best thermo can't make up for a lousy diet. Supps are the icing on the cake to make an already solid cutting program more endurable/efficient.



You don't need Alpha-T2 and Shift; I'd just do one or the other. Considering Shift is free with Combustion right now, I'd go with Shift.

Phytoserms would not be my first choice for a test booster, but that's personal opinion.
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alright, and what test booster would you prefer than? cause i definitly want to use one
 
Well, since you ignored me on the ECA thing, this is probably wasted, but test boosters are generally considered inconsistent at best, or garbage at worst. That said, I think IM sells one that has generally favorable reviews
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jmorrison said:
Well, since you ignored me on the ECA thing, this is probably wasted, but test boosters are generally considered inconsistent at best, or garbage at worst. That said, I think IM sells one that has generally favorable reviews
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i didnt ignore it bro, i took it into consideration. n thats not necessarily true, i had really good results with Novedex XT, i gained more from it than i did with a prohormone cycle. but anyway, how would i take ECA if i decide to do it, jsut go out and buy ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin?
 
I am not claiming that they are garbage. I used T-911 and I think I got results from it. That's why I will call them inconsistent at best. You will also see a lot of people that are a lot more educated and informed than I am who will explain why they are completely bunk. Bottom line is that if they work for you, then hell yes use them. Even the so called-placebo effect can give you a bit more boost, or maybe you respond well to them.

For me as far as the ECA stack goes, I buy my Primatene from wally world for about 9-10 bucks. Each tablet has 12.5 mg of Ephedrine. I also get my caffeine from WM as "Jet-Alert" for about 3 bucks. 200mg per tablet. As far as Aspirin, the jury is really still out on whether or not it helps at all, or how much to take.

2xPrimatene
1xCaffeine
1xAspirin

3 times per day. Although the first couple days you may want to stick with 1 Primatene tablet per dose as you can get pretty jittery on it if you don't tolerate stims well.

Personally I only use this stack for about 2 weeks at a time because you acclimate to it pretty quickly. But the results are not inconsequential. If your diet/training is on point, you WILL see faster fat loss using this stack.
 
jmorrison said:
I am not claiming that they are garbage. I used T-911 and I think I got results from it. That's why I will call them inconsistent at best. You will also see a lot of people that are a lot more educated and informed than I am who will explain why they are completely bunk. Bottom line is that if they work for you, then hell yes use them. Even the so called-placebo effect can give you a bit more boost, or maybe you respond well to them.

For me as far as the ECA stack goes, I buy my Primatene from wally world for about 9-10 bucks. Each tablet has 12.5 mg of Ephedrine. I also get my caffeine from WM as "Jet-Alert" for about 3 bucks. 200mg per tablet. As far as Aspirin, the jury is really still out on whether or not it helps at all, or how much to take.

2xPrimatene
1xCaffeine
1xAspirin

3 times per day. Although the first couple days you may want to stick with 1 Primatene tablet per dose as you can get pretty jittery on it if you don't tolerate stims well.

Personally I only use this stack for about 2 weeks at a time because you acclimate to it pretty quickly. But the results are not inconsequential. If your diet/training is on point, you WILL see faster fat loss using this stack.
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alright thanks, ill probably try this out
 
For a straight stand alone I like Recreate and then Oxyelite Pro, both from Usp labs. The Fat Loss stack from Primordial is a great base to start with and Androlean. Androlean is a prohormone and something that can help you in your quest to get those last 2 abs and possibly gain muscle.
 
jmorrison said:
I am not claiming that they are garbage. I used T-911 and I think I got results from it. That's why I will call them inconsistent at best. You will also see a lot of people that are a lot more educated and informed than I am who will explain why they are completely bunk. Bottom line is that if they work for you, then hell yes use them. Even the so called-placebo effect can give you a bit more boost, or maybe you respond well to them.

For me as far as the ECA stack goes, I buy my Primatene from wally world for about 9-10 bucks. Each tablet has 12.5 mg of Ephedrine. I also get my caffeine from WM as "Jet-Alert" for about 3 bucks. 200mg per tablet. As far as Aspirin, the jury is really still out on whether or not it helps at all, or how much to take.

2xPrimatene
1xCaffeine
1xAspirin

3 times per day. Although the first couple days you may want to stick with 1 Primatene tablet per dose as you can get pretty jittery on it if you don't tolerate stims well.

Personally I only use this stack for about 2 weeks at a time because you acclimate to it pretty quickly. But the results are not inconsequential. If your diet/training is on point, you WILL see faster fat loss using this stack.
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I buy Bronkaid 25mg of Ephedrine, and Vivarin 200mg of caffine! Works like a champ!
 
I got results from Acetyl L-Carnitine but then again my diet on fats and sugars was limited to none and I was going 20mins of low impact cardio twice a day. I dropped from 202 to 186. Totally shredded down.

I dont like stims and found this to be a good alternative. Bulk Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR) Powder
 
Alright, so if i do the eca stack, im probably not going to include the aspirin becasue i dont see the need for it. but how would i keep my muscle intact without losing any but just getting rid of my stomach fat?
 
You need to stay in a reasonable caloric deficit, while continuing to lift heavy and get enough protein. Keep in mind that ENOUGH protein means at least 1.5g per lb of bodyweight. So if you are 200lbs you need to be getting in at least 300g of protein daily. You will still lose SOME muscle, but you can minimize the losses this way.
 
Good Grip said:
For a straight stand alone I like Recreate and then Oxyelite Pro, both from Usp labs. The Fat Loss stack from Primordial is a great base to start with and Androlean. Androlean is a prohormone and something that can help you in your quest to get those last 2 abs and possibly gain muscle.
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Recreate and OEP are 2 of my favorites on a cut, really give me an extra kick in the a$$ that I need when I'm dieting....will adding a prohormone really help if they're considered to be "inconsistent"? Never tried stacking one with fatburners
 
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