new member first cycle

[glenn n]

stats : age 25
height 6ft
BF 14%
5yrs training(started current job about the same time)
weight 180lbs (previously 158)
goal weight is about 10-15 lbs lean muscle while keeping bf from getting too high

well basically lads i have being at a big plateu with regards to strenght and weight the last 2 months or so and i just cant get through it. it took while to get my diet and training in check before i started noticing gains an i have gotten this far from my diet and proper training.. i have bein doing alot of homework about my first cycle and im just going to put it up see what you guys think.

250mg test e x2/week for 12 weeks


AI - adex @ .5 mg eod from start to last shot and adjust to keep bloat down

pct - clomid blast 200mg first 2 days then 100 100 75 50

hcg will also be taken @ 250iu x 2 /week from week 2 until week 12

i was reading up on PROVIRON and i would be interested to use this in my cycle as iv read about it an i think it could help me put on some good quality lean muscle along with the test

also if i was to run PROVIRON , would i still need an AI as there basically the same thing?
what you guys think?

 

[GMO]

stats : age 25
height 6ft
BF 14%
5yrs training(started current job about the same time)
weight 180lbs (previously 158)
goal weight is about 10-15 lbs lean muscle while keeping bf from getting too high

well basically lads i have being at a big plateu with regards to strenght and weight the last 2 months or so and i just cant get through it. it took while to get my diet and training in check before i started noticing gains an i have gotten this far from my diet and proper training.. i have bein doing alot of homework about my first cycle and im just going to put it up see what you guys think.

250mg test e x2/week for 12 weeks


AI - adex @ .5 mg eod from start to last shot and adjust to keep bloat down

pct - clomid blast 200mg first 2 days then 100 100 75 50

hcg will also be taken @ 250iu x 2 /week from week 2 until week 12

i was reading up on PROVIRON and i would be interested to use this in my cycle as iv read about it an i think it could help me put on some good quality lean muscle along with the test

also if i was to run PROVIRON , would i still need an AI as there basically the same thing?
what you guys think?

Looks good to me. You can run Proviron if you want, but it is not necessary.

 

[djm6464]

looks good x2.....id take the proviron over adex anyday...ai wise i prefer aromasin or run a dht based compound

 

[glenn n]

thanks guys but if i was to take proviron at lets say 50mg a day throughout would i stil need the AI??

as im looking for lean muscle as my goal , would it be ok t run winstrol for the last 3 weeks aswel as proviron if i was to use it?

 

[XYZ]

Proviron is NOT a substitute for an A/I at any dose, ever.

Proviron does not build muscle either, it was never designed to do so.

 

[glenn n]

Proviron is NOT a substitute for an A/I at any dose, ever.

Proviron does not build muscle either, it was never designed to do so.

yes i know it doesn promote muscle growth but it is strongly androgenic and frees up more test.. so what your sayin is stick to the adex or aromasin and leave proviron out of it??

 

[lifterjaydawg]

No need for the proviron, and I would go with liquid exemestane over adex.

 

[Buzzard]

yes i know it doesn promote muscle growth but it is strongly androgenic and frees up more test.. so what your sayin is stick to the adex or aromasin and leave proviron out of it??

Keep the AI (Adex or Aromasin), but I'd run the proviron too. I love the stuff... It keeps you drier/harder/more vascular, hornier & 'harder', if you know what I mean...

 

[glenn n]

ok so i decided to not go near proviron and keep the AI instead. but heres another question,

what would you guys say if i was to run winny the last 3 or 4 weeks at 50mg to harden the gains, would that be any use?

 

[D-Lats]

Dude 25 mg a day of proviron is a great addition to any cycle I always run it through Pct aswell it keeps test up and I find it solidifies your gains IMO plus it's great for the old lady she will be happy lol

 

[glenn n]

ok so im gonna rock out with the proviron aswel , basically because i want to be fairly solid afterwards. what you guys recommened 25 or 50 ?

 

[blazeftp]

I only run proviron to increase sex drive and get that vascular look.

50mg Worked well so far.

 

[SloppyJ]

I've been reading that proviron is best at 50mg/day. Plan on using it next cycle.

I would run the proviron at 50/mg and either add dbol up front to kick start it and/or throw winny in the end so you have something to work with while the ester clears.

But on the other hand, throwing too many compounds in on your first run sucks because it's hard to tell what did what.

 

[brianblake]

I thought a first cycle should be test only? At least, that's what all the thread on here and other forums seem to say. No?

I'm finally going to start my first cycle as well, but the conflicting info out there is overwhelming.

 

[SloppyJ]

I thought a first cycle should be test only? At least, that's what all the thread on here and other forums seem to say. No?

I'm finally going to start my first cycle as well, but the conflicting info out there is overwhelming.

There's no right and wrong answer. I'll put it this way. When you first get your drivers license you're not going to hop in a F1 race car and try to learn how to drive. But you don't have a get a geo-metro either.

What I mean is that, yes a test only cycle is the best bet for your first cycle. That with a GREAT diet, good AI, and a proper PCT. Now if you want to spice it up a little that's fine too. Maybe throw some dbol in there but nothing crazy like tren or something advanced.

That's my .02.