Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by federal appeals court

[DOMS]

there are 2x the number of whites in poverty as blacks, 20m whites and 9m blacks. and according to the Census reports on poverty less than 3% of the poverty population is there full time, most fall in and out depending on the economy.

Total US popluation: 308,745,538
Percentage white: 72% (222,296,787)
Percentage black: 13% (40,136,919)
Difference: 5.5x more whites than black

Based on your numbers:
Percentage of whites in poverty: 8%
Percentage of blacks in poverty: 23%
Difference: per capita, there are 3x as many blacks in poverty as there are whites.

Word of the day: disproportionate
Bonus term: financial drain
Fun fact: bio-chem never mentioned, or even alluded to, race. He just mentioned crack addicts and the poor. You brought up black people in a way relevant to those topics.

 

[LAM]

Total US popluation: 308,745,538
Percentage white: 72% (222,296,787)
Percentage black: 13% (40,136,919)
Difference: 5.5x more whites than black

Based on your numbers:
Percentage of whites in poverty: 8%
Percentage of blacks in poverty: 23%
Difference: per capita, there are 3 times as many blacks in poverty as there are whites.

Word of the day: disproportionate
Bonus term: financial drain
Fun fact: bio-chem never mentioned, or even alluded to, race. He just mentions crack addicts and the poor. You brought up black people in a way relevant to those topics.

bio-chem didn't have to mention it, it quite obvious that he (and you) are racists to varying degrees so it was implied when he mentioned "crack" why didn't he mention meth?

and during which decades was employment and wages fair to minorities in the US?

regardless the percentage doesn't matter, if you are talking about shear numbers. asians males now have the highest average median incomes in the US maybe you guys should be worried about them instead of the ones on the bottom of the income ladder.

 

[bio-chem]

and during which decades was employment and wages fair to minorities in the US?

I work right next to a black guy who makes just as much money as I do doing the exact same job. come to think of it this guy is an immigrant from Africa. Wonder why he came here?

 

[DOMS]

and during which decades was employment and wages fair to minorities in the US?

How many decades of special treatment will it take before black people stop blaming others for their fuck ups? Because it's been 30 years of funding, education programs, and organizations are for blacks only. Stuff that whites are not allowed to have.

 

[DOMS]

bio-chem didn't have to mention it, it quite obvious that he (and you) are racists to varying degrees so it was implied when he mentioned "crack" why didn't he mention meth?

Oh, he didn't actually say it. You just felt that he implied it.

So, bio-chem said crack-head and you cried "racism!" Yet you're saying that meth-heads are synonymous with whites? How very non-racist of you.

Ah, the hypocrisy that passes for equality these days.

Also, I didn't chime in with any facts regarding race until you started throwing the issue of race at bio-chem. But I must have somehow implied it, even though the only thing I said in this thread was that the US has some of the richest people in the world.

 

[bio-chem]

the US does not have the best healthcare it just has the most expensive. in 1970 US healthcare accounting for 1/10 of personal consumption expenditures it now accounts for 18% by 2020+ that will be closer to 25% equal to what most people would spend on a mortgage. good luck saving and having healthcare. US healthcare is designed to be expensive, we have 1/3 the number of doctors as most country's but US immigration policy prohibits more foreign born doctors to come work in the US, this would decrease healthcare costs by 25%. Administrative costs are the 2nd leading reason they are also by design. Healthcare in the US could easily be decreased by 50%.

from the WHO World Rankings:

I in no way am going to deny that there are problems with healthcare here in the US, but that doesn't mean the US doesn't have the best healthcare. When my sister was diagnosed with Hodgkin s Lymphoma at 24 and her two children where 3 and 1. you can bet your ass I'm happy she was treated at Stanford University and not in France. I don't give a shit what the WHO says. those rankings don't mean shit when it comes to real world application.

Don't bring up foreign born doctors because you look ignorant. I work with them daily and I can tell you it isn't immigration policy that is the hold up.

 

[bio-chem]

bio-chem didn't have to mention it, it quite obvious that he (and you) are racists to varying degrees so it was implied when he mentioned "crack" why didn't he mention meth?

and during which decades was employment and wages fair to minorities in the US?

regardless the percentage doesn't matter, if you are talking about shear numbers. asians males now have the highest average median incomes in the US maybe you guys should be worried about them instead of the ones on the bottom of the income ladder.

why should we worry about those who are successful here? Are they causing my insurance to go up?

I was not making any kind of racial remark when I said crack. Your read into it because you are a douche bag. you can feel free to replace crack with meth, cocaine, or any other addictive drug that leaves people seeking medical attention that they can't pay for because they spent their money on drugs. You may also replace crack with alcohol, or tobacco if you wish as those are easily the biggest substances causing a drain on healthcare. The reason i didn't mention meth along with crack is I didn't feel it was necessary to mention all drugs available to members of our society. The fact is you are so thin skinned that you turn anything into a racial remark because you are a fucking pussy. Fuck you for calling me a racist. I'm done with you LAM I live with 2 individuals of Philippians birth, I speak 2 foreign languages, and i'm not a racist. I am however done with you. Continue to spout your worthless garbage to the people around you. DOMS has your stupid shit well taken care of.

 

[DEATH MATCH]

More courts have ruled in favor of the healthcare bill. Odds aren't looking to be in your favor.

Your a complete dumbass look it up idiot 27 States are Suing Over Obamacare 27 of 50 States Now Challenging Constitutionality of Obamacare in Court the latest Atlanta court just filed friday. And most likely this Supreme Court will hear this case around election time when your boy Barry is losing his ass off
And I was just waiting until Lam cried racists bevause he's the biggest baby around

 

[Zaphod]

Your a complete dumbass look it up idiot 27 States are Suing Over Obamacare 27 of 50 States Now Challenging Constitutionality of Obamacare in Court the latest Atlanta court just filed friday. And most likely this Supreme Court will hear this case around election time when your boy Barry is losing his ass off
And I was just waiting until Lam cried racists bevause he's the biggest baby around

Speaking of looking things up, moron, look at the number of times it has already gone to court. There are more rulings in favor of the healthcare bill than there are against it.

You really need to improve your reading comprehension.

 

[LAM]

I in no way am going to deny that there are problems with healthcare here in the US, but that doesn't mean the US doesn't have the best healthcare. When my sister was diagnosed with Hodgkin s Lymphoma at 24 and her two children where 3 and 1. you can bet your ass I'm happy she was treated at Stanford University and not in France. I don't give a shit what the WHO says. those rankings don't mean shit when it comes to real world application.

Don't bring up foreign born doctors because you look ignorant. I work with them daily and I can tell you it isn't immigration policy that is the hold up.

the US does have excellent testing and screening methods for cancer but that is only a small portion of healthcare. the WHO rankings are probably not a true representation but regardless the US still ranks at the bottom of out of all industrialized countries in terms of preventable deaths. this is due to a lack of health-care coverage over the entire span of the lifetime.

the immigration act of 1990 opened the door for md's and other foreign born professionals entering the US on J-1 or H-1B visas but that has all changed since 9-11, it's back to the "cold war" mentality. my mailman married a Japanese woman who I believe has a double masters or PhD was denied entry into the US last month because her employer made her join the JCP. yes in 2011 some still feel communism is a threat to america, if it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Below is a paper the current state of the US and the shortage of MD's. with the current state of the US economy and the economic outlook of the future, it's not looking good med school is expensive.

https://www.aamc.org/download/82874/data/helpwanted.pdf

 

[Conan63]

Glad to see this happen

 

[DOMS]

This seemed oddly appropriate:

 

[bio-chem]

the US does have excellent testing and screening methods for cancer but that is only a small portion of healthcare. Dont forget the best treatments as well the WHO rankings are probably not a true representationThen why bring them up? but regardless the US still ranks at the bottom of out of all industrialized countries in terms of preventable deaths. this is due to a lack of health-care coverage over the entire span of the lifetime.this is due to smokers and drinkers and fatties not taking care of their bodies

the immigration act of 1990 opened the door for md's and other foreign born professionals entering the US on J-1 or H-1B visas but that has all changed since 9-11, it's back to the "cold war" mentality. my mailman married a Japanese woman who I believe has a double masters or PhD was denied entry into the US last month because her employer made her join the JCP. yes in 2011 some still feel communism is a threat to america, if it wasn't so sad it would be funny.As a guy who works everyday with J1 and H1B doctors I can assure you we are not lacking for available candidates here. It is available positions. How many states don't use all of their available exemptions each year? We send doctors home to their own countries each year because the positions are getting filled with US born candidates

Below is a paper the current state of the US and the shortage of MD's. with the current state of the US economy and the economic outlook of the future, it's not looking good med school is expensive.

https://www.aamc.org/download/82874/data/helpwanted.pdf

Med School is expensive as it should be. Health care should be expensive. It's crazy good technology being applied by people with 15 years of training. This isn't a car mechanic here. Potential doctors are choosing other career paths because reimbursements are getting cut so low by medicare and medicaid that they are no longer able to survive in today's market. I make as much as some primary care physicians and I have a bachelors. While they went to a 4 year undergrad, 4 years of med school, 1 year of internship, and a 3 year residency before they can start their practice wheres the return on their investment at the end of the day when they get to start their practice and they are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and their potential income is always going down? I'll tell you for sure the answer isn't to go to a system run by government that in order to save on healthcare always cuts back on reimbursements to doctors with disregard to how much the treatment or procedure actually costs.

We are moving down a path right now LAM that is going to be your worst nightmare. one in which the disparity between rich and poor is going to get worse and you won't even see it coming till it's too late. In Canada you are seeing hospitals pop up that are outside of the Canadian Health system. Even though individuals pay their taxes and have open access to the Canadian health system for free if they have the money they are paying more to go to these private health organizations. I wonder why? Interesting to note Canada was higher than the US on the WHO ranking you posted, and then admitted probably wasn't the best indicator

You can read all the reports in the world regarding an issue and still have no idea what is going on in that industry unless you are actually in the trenches.

 

[bio-chem]

This seemed oddly appropriate:

I wish i could rep you again DOMS, but I think this should be posted a lot

 

[danzik17]

I wish i could rep you again DOMS, but I think this should be posted a lot

Why? I'm not disagreeing with you that he shouldn't have responded to something you "implied" and perhaps should have asked a direct question, but this is a debate over healthcare, no? Why let this turn into a "Oh you're just a liberal!".

Just venting because all too often, I see this bullshit on both sides, especially on the national stage where it quite honestly has no place. "Oh, you're just an extremist liberal", "Oh, you're a nutbag conservative", and so forth. It contributes nothing to the debate.

 

[DOMS]

Why? I'm not disagreeing with you that he shouldn't have responded to something you "implied" and perhaps should have asked a direct question, but this is a debate over healthcare, no? Why let this turn into a "Oh you're just a liberal!".

bio-chem didn't imply anything regard race. Nothing at all. I only brought up race after LAM did used it as a reply to a post that mentioned nothing about race.

The only other thing I said in this thread prior to that was that the gap in wealth in this country is easily explained by the USA having some of the wealthiest people on the planet. And I only brought that up in rebuttal to something LAM brought up.

So you can take up your question with LAM.

Just venting because all too often, I see this bullshit on both sides, especially on the national stage where it quite honestly has no place. "Oh, you're just an extremist liberal", "Oh, you're a nutbag conservative", and so forth. It contributes nothing to the debate.

Which is how the politicians like it.

 

[bio-chem]

Why? I'm not disagreeing with you that he shouldn't have responded to something you "implied" and perhaps should have asked a direct question, but this is a debate over healthcare, no? Why let this turn into a "Oh you're just a liberal!".

Just venting because all too often, I see this bullshit on both sides, especially on the national stage where it quite honestly has no place. "Oh, you're just an extremist liberal", "Oh, you're a nutbag conservative", and so forth. It contributes nothing to the debate.

I didn't "imply" anything. Nothing I said was, or was intended to be racist.

Way too often race is played in a discussion it does not belong for the sole desire to cloud the issue. Something that in my mind takes away from real racism that should be stamped out anywhere we find it. I think the picture DOMS posted does a great job of addressing that very problem in our society right now of calling racism in order to take away from the real issue at hand, in this case healthcare debate

 

[Zaphod]

Med School is expensive as it should be. Health care should be expensive. It's crazy good technology being applied by people with 15 years of training. This isn't a car mechanic here. Potential doctors are choosing other career paths because reimbursements are getting cut so low by medicare and medicaid that they are no longer able to survive in today's market. I make as much as some primary care physicians and I have a bachelors. While they went to a 4 year undergrad, 4 years of med school, 1 year of internship, and a 3 year residency before they can start their practice wheres the return on their investment at the end of the day when they get to start their practice and they are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and their potential income is always going down? I'll tell you for sure the answer isn't to go to a system run by government that in order to save on healthcare always cuts back on reimbursements to doctors with disregard to how much the treatment or procedure actually costs.

We are moving down a path right now LAM that is going to be your worst nightmare. one in which the disparity between rich and poor is going to get worse and you won't even see it coming till it's too late. In Canada you are seeing hospitals pop up that are outside of the Canadian Health system. Even though individuals pay their taxes and have open access to the Canadian health system for free if they have the money they are paying more to go to these private health organizations. I wonder why? Interesting to note Canada was higher than the US on the WHO ranking you posted, and then admitted probably wasn't the best indicator

You can read all the reports in the world regarding an issue and still have no idea what is going on in that industry unless you are actually in the trenches.

An education doesn't automatically entitle someone to a huge income. Talk about an entitlement complex.

 

[M4A3]

An education doesn't automatically entitle someone to a huge income. Talk about an entitlement complex.

Just like being a poor welfare leach shouldn't entitle someone to healthcare.

 

[DOMS]

Just like being a poor welfare leach shouldn't entitle someone to healthcare.

Awesome!

 

[DEATH MATCH]

Speaking of looking things up, moron, look at the number of times it has already gone to court. There are more rulings in favor of the healthcare bill than there are against it.

You really need to improve your reading comprehension.

You have to be the dumbest idiot on this board 27 states ruled against it that means more courts ruled againts it you dumb ass check your math. Oh mabey you think theres 57 states like Barry did. 50 states total idiot. 27 is bigger then 23 moron so how in gods name can you say more courts ruled in favor, Moron

 

[Zaphod]

You have to be the dumbest idiot on this board 27 states ruled against it that means more courts ruled againts it you dumb ass check your math. Oh mabey you think theres 57 states like Barry did. 50 states total idiot. 27 is bigger then 23 moron so how in gods name can you say more courts ruled in favor, Moron

Speaking of stupid, 27 state attornies general filed a suit against it. The states haven't ruled against it, more federal courts have ruled in its favor. You're a fucking idiot. Do the world a favor and go hang yourself. You're dragging down the average IQ.

 

[Zaphod]

Just like being a poor welfare leach shouldn't entitle someone to healthcare.

Which has what to do with someone going to med school?

 

[bio-chem]

An education doesn't automatically entitle someone to a huge income. Talk about an entitlement complex.

how about keeping your ass alive, or the life of your family member when it is ravaged by cancer, or some other disease? Are they entitled to a huge income then? This isn't entitlement by birth. if you want to call it an entitlement at all it is well earned. Every day i go to work i expect to be paid commensurate with my skills and success. If not I find other work. So will doctors. don't forget that

 

[M4A3]

Which has what to do with someone going to med school?

Just like a liberal. A total failure to recognize a double standard.

You were speaking of an entitlement mentality. Welfare leaches have that in spades.

 

[irish_2003]

let's see....teachers become teachers for the children, doctors become doctors to help people.....they don't have the right to complain about their pay/benefits.....the professions didn't choose them....they chose the profession......

i'm against obamacare and i'm in the medical field

 

[AdmiralRichard]

 

[Zaphod]

Just like a liberal. A total failure to recognize a double standard.

You were speaking of an entitlement mentality. Welfare leaches have that in spades.

I recognize the double standard, you ignore it as such. You have a problem with people who feel entitled to free healthcare and yet you have no problem with those who feel entitled to a huge salary because of their education.

 

[Zaphod]

how about keeping your ass alive, or the life of your family member when it is ravaged by cancer, or some other disease? Are they entitled to a huge income then? This isn't entitlement by birth. if you want to call it an entitlement at all it is well earned. Every day i go to work i expect to be paid commensurate with my skills and success. If not I find other work. So will doctors. don't forget that

By your definition it's an entitlement. If you can't see that then

 

[bio-chem]

I recognize the double standard, you ignore it as such. You have a problem with people who feel entitled to free healthcare and yet you have no problem with those who feel entitled to a huge salary because of their education.

it's not an entitlement for education you dolt. are you a fucking communist? It's a fair wage commensurate with their skills. Skills you can only receive with that education. This isn't like starting your own software company and becoming a billionaire. this is about knowing how to fight cancer. replace someones heart, or heal the brain.