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LAM said:
not my fault you have a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to US history and politics. some of us have been paying attention to this topic our whole lives. that's the great thing about history, you can't change it. look up the records and see who was sitting on the bench when these changes occurred.
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So to clarify things, we are in this mess because of the Republicans. :coffee:
 
OK OK OK OK OK OK
I GOT IT.
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Look, I Understand - I got it - Im sitting here - closed mouth ears open/mind - Im being non-biased...in my listening. BUT here's MAC's take on it..

1. This country was formed under the lines of FREEDOM in many fashions. Let's examine What I beleive are some of the elements of then...being brought out TODAY.

a. Religous Tolerance
b. Separation of Business and Goverment
c. Distribution of Wealth

Now - As American's we have the freedom to dress, act, do and say as we please, for the most part. Ill make fun of myself, and use myself as an example: I choose to never wear a sleeved tee-shirt, and walk around as a OBV bodybuilder - The women I hang out with can beat 80% men' down. I choose to be the Freak'show.

People want to die their hair jet black wear Maryln Manson teeshirt's, or the opposite and be as we call "Prep" we choose HOW WE WANT TO BE PERCEIVED.

^^ KEEP THAT IN MIND ^^

NOW - YES big business is taking over and drowning "the little guy"
YES - the goverment's getting way to involved in BIG Corporations.
YES - They took "GOD" out of the pledge of Allegiance - I can deal with that - BUT WHAT I CAN DEAL WITH IS - ITS AN OPTION TO STAND AND SAY IT -

AMERICAN's ARNT A CERTAIN COLOR OR SHADE
AMERICAN = AMERICAN - EVERYONE - should stand...off topic..

SO.. We already know WHY their occupying -

The problem here is WHAT THE MEDIA has imprinted to the American's what a LEADER IS. THE PROBLEM IS THIS!!!!!!!!!!

- OBAMA IS NOT A LEADER-
-HE DOES NOT "RALLY THE GROUP"
-HE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE AMERICAN MIND THOUGHT OF LET DIG IN, GET TOUGH, AND SUSTAIN, ...WHY? BECUASE IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THERES NO HEART.

THE media Shows a OLD DYING MCCAIN -
and a young quick whitted teleprompt reading OBAMA

SO what happened? Now remember above about OUR american freedom on HOW we can PRESENT ourselves to the world?...

ALL THESE KIDS ...YES ...KIDS "OCCUPYING" ARE LONG HAIRED DEGENERATIVE YOUTH'S SWALLOWED AND CONSUMED WITH COLLEGGE PROFESSORS CULTURED IDEAS OF WHAT SHOULD BE!!!

A poll was taken.

An overwhelming percent of these "occupiers" PUT OBAMA in office----- THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED.

Obama has shifted himself in a way to this "wannabe hippies" to where they look at them as a "hero" to the CAUSE..

"...were for the cause man..." is what the 20 something yr old said on the news the other night..

WTF do you know about "the cause"....man?



I got news for you - Im in my latter 20's. I served this GREAT country. Here's the adivce id hand to everyone of these yuppies occupying ....

STOP TRYING TO BE VICTIMS
STOP TRYING TO BE VICTIMS
STOP TRYING TO BE VICTIMS
STOP USING MY TAX TO GET YOU HOMELESS ASSES OFF THE STREET
STOP DOING DRUGS AND GROW THE FUCK UP

YOU WANT CHANGE?? YOU FUCKING GOT IT!!!!!

IF YOU WANT MORE CHANGE...WELL

"RALLY THE GROUP" DIG IN, GET TOUGH, ....sound fimiliar.

IN THIS WORLD...THERES VERY little room on the top...

YOU EITHER CREATE your room - OR - push whos on top off.

Summary : Occupiers = homeless kids that havnt even paid into the system enough to collect unemployment.

GET LIVES, MAKE MOVES---SITTING AROUND and letting the world see you get peppersprayed ....IS DUMB....and wasting my tax dollars....

FUCKING LIBERALS.

end rant.

-MAC'us Arelious​
 
irish_2003 said:
that is the angle that LAM takes on every post he makes......he's just as delusional as the rest of the left
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I don't make up facts I simply read them from historical documents and papers written by experts...unlike you I am not educated from the tv on politics or from other main stream media sources. there's a reason why there are no conservatives anywhere in the word that hold the same views as those in the US, those extreme views only exist here in the US. i'm sure the rest of the world is wrong and these radical conservatives in US politics are right, talk about delusional...
 
:coffee:
 
Apparently the turnout on OWS is a lot less now after the eviction, I'm going to be in NYC for a job interview next week I was kind of hoping to see this thing in the flesh.
 
LAM said:
Apparently the turnout on OWS is a lot less now after the eviction, I'm going to be in NYC for a job interview next week I was kind of hoping to see this thing in the flesh.
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yes jump right in the middle and report back:coffee:
 
They need to change their strategy every now and then. Our leaders and cops are corporate's puppets. They will not care if there are only small numbers of protesters. I think they should keep in touch with other minority communities since all of them belong to 99%.
For example:
Russian community
African cummunities
Polish cummunities
Somalian cummunities
Chinese cummunities
Vietnamese cummunity
Hispanic cummunities
and many others.
 
Chubby said:
They need to change their strategy every now and then. Our leaders and cops are corporate's puppets. They will not care if there are only small numbers of protesters. I think they should keep in touch with other minority communities since all of them belong to 99%.
For example:
Russian community
African cummunities
Polish cummunities
Somalian cummunities
Chinese cummunities
Vietnamese cummunity
Hispanic cummunities
and many others.
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Where the fuck do you live? NY? NJ?

The only thing we have in this county is honkeys. :coffee:
 
Occupy protests set in different cities for Black Friday

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) ??? Occupy protesters want shoppers to occupy something besides door-buster sales and crowded mall parking lots on Black Friday.

  • By Mark Lennihan, AP
    A DKNY holiday window display in New York on Nov. 23, 2010, last year's Black Friday.
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By Mark Lennihan, AP
A DKNY holiday window display in New York on Nov. 23, 2010, last year's Black Friday.

Some don't want people to shop at all. Others just want to divert shoppers from big chains and giant shopping malls to local mom-and-pops. And while the planned protests don't appear coordinated, they have similar themes: supporting small businesses while criticizing the day's dedication to conspicuous consumption and the shopping frenzy that fuels big corporations.

Nearly each one promises some kind of surprise action on the day after Thanksgiving, the traditional start of the holiday shopping season.

In Seattle, protesters are carpooling to Wal-Mart stores to protest with other Occupy groups from around Washington state. Washington, D.C., is offering a "really, really free market," where people can donate items they don't want so others can go gift shopping for free.

Others plan to hit the mall, but not for shopping. The 75-person encampment in Boise, Idaho, will send "consumer zombies" to wander around in silent protest of what they view as unnecessary spending. In Chicago, protesters will serenade shoppers with revamped Christmas carols about buying local. The Des Moines, Iowa, group plans flash mobs at three malls in an attempt to get people to think more about what they're buying.

"We didn't want to guilt-trip people at a mall," said Occupy Des Moines organizer Ed Fallon. "We wanted to get at them in a playful, friendly way, to support local businesses."

Protesters say the movement shouldn't take away money and seasonal jobs from the working-class majority it says it represents. The corporations, not the shoppers, are the focus of any protests, they say. But organizers hope their actions drive people to reconsider frenzied bargain shopping at national chains and direct their attention to small, locally owned stores.
Of course, the protesters may not realize that their plan won't necessarily punish the intended targets.

"A lot of small business owners, if you ask, identify as business owners, not specifically small business," said Jean Card, spokeswoman for the National Federation of Independent Business. "I would like to believe there is a silver lining (to the Occupy protests), but I don't picture a frustrated consumer that can't get into a box store turning around and going to a small business. I see that person going home."

Shopping only local neglects economies of scale, job specialization and other pluses that big, multi-state retailers offer, said George Mason University economist Russ Roberts.

"Don't punish yourself by not shopping where you can get the best deal; that's foolish," Roberts said.

And, fair or not, small businesses aren't necessarily the best employers in terms of wages, benefits, opportunities for advancement and other measures, said John Quinterno, principal at the public policy research firm South by North Strategies in Chapel Hill, N.C.

He calculates that small mom-and-pops, which he defines as businesses with fewer than 10 employees, account for nearly 80% of employers in the U.S., but only about 11% of the jobs.

"Sometimes we romanticize small business ??? and I say this as a small business owner myself ??? so that it skews some of our debates about economic and labor policy," Quinterno said. "It doesn't mean they aren't important. It just means that larger businesses tend to create a lot more value-added per job."

The protests will be largely focused on shopping areas in affluent suburbs close to big chain stores. As with the entire movement, the protests bring along a litany of causes. In addition to protests of big chains, causes include clothes made from animal fur, McDonald's, homelessness and, in Las Vegas, the low gambling taxes paid by casinos.

The approach comes at an ideal time for the Occupy movement because many followers faced evictions from large-scale encampments in recent weeks. With a large number of people in a confined space, Black Friday protests present an early test for the movement's new, fragmented iteration.

Most protests plan to make a point and move on, a strategy they've implemented in some cities with targeted marches for specific causes since the camps were broken up.

"It's not about specific occupation camps anymore," said protester Peter Morales of Austin, Texas. "It's more of, you know, real awareness of what's going on in our government."

Another shop local movement, Small Business Saturday, was started last year to encourage people to shop at small businesses on the day after Black Friday. But the Occupy groups are less than pleased that Small Business Saturday was launched by American Express.

In 2010, small retailers that accept American Express saw a 28% sales volume increase over the day before on Small Business Saturday, AmEx says.

"It's just another example of the banks and Wall Street trying to take the very real desires of working people to have a humane economic system and twisting it to their ends," said Peter Rickman, an activist with Occupy Milwaukee.

Pam Newman, 30, of Louisville, Ky., knows well the trappings of Black Friday. A former Best Buy employee, Newman would watch troves of wild-eyed shoppers kick, claw and scrape their way to holiday deals. She's coy with the details of the Occupy Louisville protest: "There are some plans I can't talk about," but she added that the focus will be on people who haven't made up their minds about Black Friday shopping.

"Look, some people printed out the deals two weeks ago. We're not getting to them," Newman said. "While we would like to dissuade the folks camping out and 'occupying' Wal-Mart, they've already made their mind up. We're looking for the shoppers on the fence." she added.
 
Big Pimpin said:
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) ??? Occupy protesters want shoppers to occupy something besides door-buster sales and crowded mall parking lots on Black Friday.

  • By Mark Lennihan, AP
    A DKNY holiday window display in New York on Nov. 23, 2010, last year's Black Friday.
Enlarge



By Mark Lennihan, AP
A DKNY holiday window display in New York on Nov. 23, 2010, last year's Black Friday.

Some don't want people to shop at all. Others just want to divert shoppers from big chains and giant shopping malls to local mom-and-pops. And while the planned protests don't appear coordinated, they have similar themes: supporting small businesses while criticizing the day's dedication to conspicuous consumption and the shopping frenzy that fuels big corporations.

Nearly each one promises some kind of surprise action on the day after Thanksgiving, the traditional start of the holiday shopping season.

In Seattle, protesters are carpooling to Wal-Mart stores to protest with other Occupy groups from around Washington state. Washington, D.C., is offering a "really, really free market," where people can donate items they don't want so others can go gift shopping for free.

Others plan to hit the mall, but not for shopping. The 75-person encampment in Boise, Idaho, will send "consumer zombies" to wander around in silent protest of what they view as unnecessary spending. In Chicago, protesters will serenade shoppers with revamped Christmas carols about buying local. The Des Moines, Iowa, group plans flash mobs at three malls in an attempt to get people to think more about what they're buying.

"We didn't want to guilt-trip people at a mall," said Occupy Des Moines organizer Ed Fallon. "We wanted to get at them in a playful, friendly way, to support local businesses."

Protesters say the movement shouldn't take away money and seasonal jobs from the working-class majority it says it represents. The corporations, not the shoppers, are the focus of any protests, they say. But organizers hope their actions drive people to reconsider frenzied bargain shopping at national chains and direct their attention to small, locally owned stores.
Of course, the protesters may not realize that their plan won't necessarily punish the intended targets.

"A lot of small business owners, if you ask, identify as business owners, not specifically small business," said Jean Card, spokeswoman for the National Federation of Independent Business. "I would like to believe there is a silver lining (to the Occupy protests), but I don't picture a frustrated consumer that can't get into a box store turning around and going to a small business. I see that person going home."

Shopping only local neglects economies of scale, job specialization and other pluses that big, multi-state retailers offer, said George Mason University economist Russ Roberts.

"Don't punish yourself by not shopping where you can get the best deal; that's foolish," Roberts said.

And, fair or not, small businesses aren't necessarily the best employers in terms of wages, benefits, opportunities for advancement and other measures, said John Quinterno, principal at the public policy research firm South by North Strategies in Chapel Hill, N.C.

He calculates that small mom-and-pops, which he defines as businesses with fewer than 10 employees, account for nearly 80% of employers in the U.S., but only about 11% of the jobs.

"Sometimes we romanticize small business ??? and I say this as a small business owner myself ??? so that it skews some of our debates about economic and labor policy," Quinterno said. "It doesn't mean they aren't important. It just means that larger businesses tend to create a lot more value-added per job."

The protests will be largely focused on shopping areas in affluent suburbs close to big chain stores. As with the entire movement, the protests bring along a litany of causes. In addition to protests of big chains, causes include clothes made from animal fur, McDonald's, homelessness and, in Las Vegas, the low gambling taxes paid by casinos.

The approach comes at an ideal time for the Occupy movement because many followers faced evictions from large-scale encampments in recent weeks. With a large number of people in a confined space, Black Friday protests present an early test for the movement's new, fragmented iteration.

Most protests plan to make a point and move on, a strategy they've implemented in some cities with targeted marches for specific causes since the camps were broken up.

"It's not about specific occupation camps anymore," said protester Peter Morales of Austin, Texas. "It's more of, you know, real awareness of what's going on in our government."

Another shop local movement, Small Business Saturday, was started last year to encourage people to shop at small businesses on the day after Black Friday. But the Occupy groups are less than pleased that Small Business Saturday was launched by American Express.

In 2010, small retailers that accept American Express saw a 28% sales volume increase over the day before on Small Business Saturday, AmEx says.

"It's just another example of the banks and Wall Street trying to take the very real desires of working people to have a humane economic system and twisting it to their ends," said Peter Rickman, an activist with Occupy Milwaukee.

Pam Newman, 30, of Louisville, Ky., knows well the trappings of Black Friday. A former Best Buy employee, Newman would watch troves of wild-eyed shoppers kick, claw and scrape their way to holiday deals. She's coy with the details of the Occupy Louisville protest: "There are some plans I can't talk about," but she added that the focus will be on people who haven't made up their minds about Black Friday shopping.

"Look, some people printed out the deals two weeks ago. We're not getting to them," Newman said. "While we would like to dissuade the folks camping out and 'occupying' Wal-Mart, they've already made their mind up. We're looking for the shoppers on the fence." she added.
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Badass, good for them.
 
I'll see if the Occupy Movement disrupts some of the "black friday" insanity shopping.

:clapping:
 
GearsMcGilf said:
I thought welfare checks went out on wednesday.
:geewhiz:
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I think the welfare checks arrive on the 1st. That's when the postman gets robbed or murdered.
 
Some Belated Parental Advice to Protesters by: Marybeth Hicks http://townhall.com/xml/columnists/author/marybethhicks/


Call it an occupational hazard, but I can’t look at the Occupy Wall Street protesters without thinking, “Who parented these people?”

As a culture columnist, I’ve commented on the social and political ramifications of the “movement” – now known as “OWS” – whose fairyland agenda can be summarized by one of their placards: “Everything for everybody.” Thanks to their pipe-dream platform, it’s clear there are people with serious designs on “transformational” change in America who are using the protesters like bedsprings in a brothel.

Yet it’s not my role as a commentator that prompts my parenting question, but rather the fact that I’m the mother of four teens and young adults. There are some crucial life lessons that the protesters’ moms clearly have not passed along. Here, then, are five things the OWS protesters’ mothers should have taught their children but obviously didn’t, so I will:

• Life isn’t fair. The concept of justice – that everyone should be treated fairly – is a worthy and worthwhile moral imperative on which our nation was founded. But justice and economic equality are not the same. Or, as Mick Jagger [2] said, “You can’t always get what you want.” No matter how you try to “level the playing field,” some people have better luck, skills, talents or connections that land them in better places. Some seem to have all the advantages in life but squander them, others play the modest hand they’re dealt and make up the difference in hard work and perseverance, and some find jobs on Wall Street and eventually buy houses in the Hamptons. Is it fair? Stupid question.

• Nothing is “free.” Protesting with signs that seek “free” college degrees and “free” health care make you look like idiots, because colleges and hospitals don’t operate on rainbows and sunshine. There is no magic money machine to tap for your meandering educational careers and “slow paths” to adulthood, and the 53 percent of taxpaying Americans owe you neither a degree nor an annual physical. While I’m pointing out this obvious fact, here are a few other things that are not free: overtime for police officers and municipal workers, trash hauling, repairs to fixtures and property, condoms, Band-Aids and the food that inexplicably appears on the tables in your makeshift protest kitchens. Real people with real dollars are underwriting your civic temper tantrum.

• Your word is your bond. When you demonstrate to eliminate student loan debt, you are advocating precisely the lack of integrity you decry in others. Loans are made based on solemn promises to repay them. No one forces you to borrow money; you are free to choose educational pursuits that don’t require loans, or to seek technical or vocational training that allows you to support yourself and your ongoing educational goals. Also, for the record, being a college student is not a state of victimization. It’s a privilege that billions of young people around the globe would die for – literally.

• A protest is not a party. On Saturday in New York, while making a mad dash from my cab to the door of my hotel to avoid you, I saw what isn’t evident in the newsreel footage of your demonstrations: Most of you are doing this only for attention and fun. Serious people in a sober pursuit of social and political change don’t dance jigs down Sixth Avenue like attendees of a Renaissance festival. You look foolish, you smell gross, you are clearly high and you don’t seem to realize that all around you are people who deem you irrelevant.

• There are reasons you haven’t found jobs. The truth? Your tattooed necks, gauged ears, facial piercings and dirty dreadlocks are off-putting. Nonconformity for the sake of nonconformity isn’t a virtue. Occupy reality: Only 4 percent of college graduates are out of work. If you are among that 4 percent, find a mirror and face the problem. It’s not them. It’s you.

SOURCE
 
I agree with most of her points. The last one is dead wrong and I don't think people with a job or people overseas understand this. I can drive down the road and see approximately 30% of the businesses that were in business 5 years ago have been shuttered. The population has increased and the jobs that were lost were replaced with low-paying shit jobs at Walmart and McDs. These military folk that will be coming back from overseas are screwed.

Our military budget is bloated, 50 cents out of every dollar we are taxed goes there. This whole sequestration has been one giant political theatre event. They have no intention of paying back this debt as far as I can see, this was the easiest way to cut the military budget and not have to raise taxes or cut SS/Medicare.
 
Dale Mabry said:
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Our military budget is bloated, 50 cents out of every dollar we are taxed goes there. This whole sequestration has been one giant political theatre event. They have no intention of paying back this debt as far as I can see, this was the easiest way to cut the military budget and not have to raise taxes or cut SS/Medicare.
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Brother, I can certainly agree that our military budget is bloated. It staggars my mind at some of the things I see us spending money on over here. But 50% of all taxes going to the military? That seems a bit steep to me.

Something to consider about the military budget...

A HUGE amount of the money spent by the military is spent on services provided by the private sector. Essentially, this money is funneled back into buisness and a lot of people's jobs.

Granted, this military is not, nor will it ever be, a "for profit" organization... that is, unless these middle east countries ever start paying us for the mercenary services we seem to be providing at times.

You know... I often wonder just how much commerce and revenue is generated just by the care packages alone that millioons of people across the united states are sending over here. I must have at least $500 in tooth brushes in my office that I've recieved over the past few months. :wacko:
 
Prince said:
George was so spot on with what he said, RIP.
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After all this time there are so many, the vast majority, that still don't get it. They are the ones that the 1% count on for the status quo.
 
Witmaster said:
Something to consider about the military budget...

A HUGE amount of the money spent by the military is spent on services provided by the private sector. Essentially, this money is funneled back into buisness and a lot of people's jobs.

Granted, this military is not, nor will it ever be, a "for profit" organization... that is, unless these middle east countries ever start paying us for the mercenary services we seem to be providing at times.
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most of the supply chain involves DoD prime contractors then major sub-contractors who basically only function to serve the prime contractor. right now in Iraq and Afghanistan there are more DoD contractors than there are troops. for decades the MIC has had an almost incestuous relationship with the federal gov to the point where some of the large company's are closer to quasi agency's than an actual private business.

there will not by much if any cuts to defense, they fund the campaigns of to many in D.C.
 
Big Smoothy said:
I'll see if the Occupy Movement disrupts some of the "black friday" insanity shopping.

:clapping:
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I would love it if these Occupy wall st try blocking sum of thses BF sale in DC in the mostly black gettos they :coffee:woould get stompeed out mah nigga
 
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