P-Side Training: Developing the Beast (the ultimate athlete)

[P-funk]

I don't like the sounds of that -
Those don't sound like fun to me -

Dude you are pounding yourself...

=

they fucking burn like hell in the hammies and calves.

yea, I am killing it right now but I feel good. Once I start to feel a little over worked I will back off the volume and reap the benefits of the Fitness-fatigue model of training.

 

[The Monkey Man]

benefits of the Fitness-fatigue model of training

 

[P-funk]

planed overtraining is a great thing. (general adaptation syndrome )

 

[The Monkey Man]

I have my first (and probably last) session with that coach tomorrow
I'm going to take my camera, and try to get some silent vid of my form

 

[The Monkey Man]

planed overtraining is a great thing. (general adaptation syndrome )

I guess I am doing that with my running and lifting right now...
(I just didn't know what to call it)

 

[P-funk]

I have my first (and probably last) session with that coach tomorrow
I'm going to take my camera, and try to get some silent vid of my form

video is a great thing.

I guess I am doing that with my running and lifting right now...

set it up in 3 or 4 week blocks. like 3 weeks load up volume like mad train like an animal...not just volume. Then drop the volume down into about half for a week but keep the intensity then same. then take 3 weeks and add some volume back but raise the intensity even more.

 

[soxmuscle]

P,

My school has a 1000 lb club that I am trying to get into and hang cleans are one of the three lifts. Now at this point, I think I could max bench at about 230+, box squat which at my school are like basically just getting the bar off the rack and doing a tiny dip at about 400+, and cleans I havent done in a long time.

Im going to add them to my workout one starting next week, but I wanted some tips on form, and stuff.

 

[P-funk]

P,

My school has a 1000 lb club that I am trying to get into and hang cleans are one of the three lifts. Now at this point, I think I could max bench at about 230+, box squat which at my school are like basically just getting the bar off the rack and doing a tiny dip at about 400+, and cleans I havent done in a long time.

Im going to add them to my workout one starting next week, but I wanted some tips on form, and stuff.

tough to give tips if I don't see the form. very intricate exercise. can you post a video.

 

[soxmuscle]

I haven't done hang cleans in so long, probably almost a year. I'm going to have to work on my form, but I'm more so wondering just tips on how to do them, and if you see it as a possibility that I hit 250 pounds or something acceptable that allows me to surpass 1000 pounds from the three excercises.

250 is a hell of a lot to clean I'd imagine, seems almost ridiculous, but its a form lift, and If I got it down, I might be able to make some noise.

 

[P-funk]

I haven't done hang cleans in so long, probably almost a year. I'm going to have to work on my form, but I'm more so wondering just tips on how to do them, and if you see it as a possibility that I hit 250 pounds or something acceptable that allows me to surpass 1000 pounds from the three excercises.

250 is a hell of a lot to clean I'd imagine, seems almost ridiculous, but its a form lift, and If I got it down, I might be able to make some noise.

yea, lol, it is a form lift but can you front squat that weight in the rack position? It is a form lift if you have adequate strength and speed to (a) lift the weight (pull it from the floor, shrug it hard enough and front squat it) and (b) quick enough to drop from a full stretched position shrugging onto your toes all the way to rock bottom ass to the floor front squat. If you can do all that then it is a form lift. If not....then it is a strength and form lift. Start by working on your clean pulls and front squats before you even start cleaning. I would also suggest trying to get your weight in the other lifts up since you probably wont be training the clean exclusivly to actually make huge gains in it.

 

[P-funk]

who are these people?

 

[soxmuscle]

Well that doesn't seem to hard

I'm definitly working on my other lifts, big time, I just wish deadlifts were involved because my deads are superior to many people, it sucks.

So you really don't suggest I jump right into cleaning light next week and instead work on clean pulls? I don't know where front squats would fit into my HIT routine, so I probably would only be able to add in the clean pulls.

 

[P-funk]

Well that doesn't seem to hard

I'm definitly working on my other lifts, big time, I just wish deadlifts were involved because my deads are superior to many people, it sucks.

So you really don't suggest I jump right into cleaning light next week and instead work on clean pulls? I don't know where front squats would fit into my HIT routine, so I probably would only be able to add in the clean pulls.

well, if you can't front squat the weight or get the needed shoulder flexability to turn your elbows fast then good luck cleaning even 200lbs! That is a big part of it. getting under it and squating it is huge. I would suggest, if you are serious about cleans, dropping the HIT and switching to a routine that allows you the benefit of training the components of the lift. It is a complex lift and it takes lots and lots of work. Get a video of you light cleaning so we can see what it looks like. clean pulls are fine if you know what you are doing with them.

 

[soxmuscle]

Wow, that would be a very tough decision for me. It makes me wonder if trying for the 1000 lb club is right for me. Thanks P.

 

[CowPimp]

I've never heard of an olympic good morning, but it sounds interesting. Maybe I'll stick some in my routine one day, as much as I like moving more weight.

I will also have to give overhead squats a try. That has got to be a killer movement. I can't believe I haven't done them yet. Shame on me...

 

[The Monkey Man]

who are these people?

...


Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio & Jean Reno??? -

 

[tucker01]

who are these people?

Who is that Fag? and why is he with that chick?

 

[Yanick]

Who is that Fag? and why is he with that chick?

LMAO, i gotta agree that guy looks like a cock

i'm so dead

 

[GoalGetter]

who the hell is mary elizabeth mastrantonio?? is she famous? she must at least be hot, right? (running off to google right now...)

 

[P-funk]

Wow, that would be a very tough decision for me. It makes me wonder if trying for the 1000 lb club is right for me. Thanks P.

I am not trying to discourage you. But I am just saying that you need to change your training if you want to seriously clean 250lbs. It isn't like working on your technique once a week will get you there. Also, think about it logically. How many times can you even back squat 250lbs? Now, you need to be able to drop under and front squat.

 

[Yanick]

I am not trying to discourage you. But I am just saying that you need to change your training if you want to seriously clean 250lbs. It isn't like working on your technique once a week will get you there. Also, think about it logically. How many times can you even back squat 250lbs? Now, you need to be able to drop under and front squat.

i'm sure i could front squat 250 for maybe a double or triple, but it won't be anywhere close to pretty.

now cleaning that much is a different story completely

 

[P-funk]

i'm sure i could front squat 250 for maybe a double or triple, but it won't be anywhere close to pretty.

now cleaning that much is a different story completely

yea, I think most people believe that if they can pick it up off the ground and shrug it that they can clean it. I can hook grip deadlift 300lbs easy, I can shrug it easy and I can front squat it in the rack positio. But I can't fucking clean it! Not even close! There is so much involved. Plus, just picking it up off the ground really fast wont help. You need to control that first pull so that you can get an explosive second pull otherwise your center of gravity will be all over the place.

 

[The Monkey Man]

i'm sure i could front squat 250 for maybe a double or triple, but it won't be anywhere close to pretty.

now cleaning that much is a different story completely

Suddenly, I am not feeling like such a wuss -

Thanks guys -

 

[PreMier]

who are these people?

Shave you damn bum

 

[tucker01]

He kept the Ball Tickler just for you though

 

[P-funk]

Shave you damn bum

lol! I shaved my head! it was growing back by then though.

 

[Yanick]

yea, I think most people believe that if they can pick it up off the ground and shrug it that they can clean it. I can hook grip deadlift 300lbs easy, I can shrug it easy and I can front squat it in the rack positio. But I can't fucking clean it! Not even close! There is so much involved. Plus, just picking it up off the ground really fast wont help. You need to control that first pull so that you can get an explosive second pull otherwise your center of gravity will be all over the place.

you can front squat 315? fuck, i really thought i was on your heels on that particular lift, now i really feel like shit.

Monkey, you callin me a wussy?

 

[P-funk]

you can front squat 315? fuck, i really thought i was on your heels on that particular lift, now i really feel like shit.

Monkey, you callin me a wussy?

I said 300....not 315.



i am guessing though. I have pounded out 275 like nothing before.

 

[Yanick]

I said 300....not 315.



i am guessing though. I have pounded out 275 like nothing before.

fucker

 

[P-funk]

fucker

well, it is just a trained lift. I work on my front squat, you don't. Ofcourse mine will be better than yours.