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I respect the success Horton has experienced with this product, still not a believer of the hype.
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I respect his and his ilk's success only as a fellow marketer/business man. The more I think about it, the more I want to get investors and do my own DVD. I don't respect the crap reasoning and pseudo truths about training that these types of things perpetuate.
Now, i tell people to buy it. Buy it all. And don't go torrent it or borrow it, because you're automatically solidifying the idea that it's not worth the money! So buy it. If it's so great, then wouldn't you pay double for it? So buy it.
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p90x is a great program for an out of shape person looking to get into decent shape. I ran 2 rounds of it and it helped me tremendously. As far as using that program to become a bodybuilder...no. But if you are coming off a long layoff like I was its a great tool. I paid ful price for it and dont regret it at all. Its obviously not for everyone but thats common sense.
so is learning squats, presses and rows, or variations there of, with walking or jogging. Or jump rope and jumping jacks. And much safer while being truly universal.
12.5% BF? Would you say that's pretty accurate?
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12.5% BF? Would you say that's pretty accurate?
It was caliper measured...so I'd say it's accurate...unless my doctor doesn't know what she's doing. She was the one who changed my diet due to blood sugar problems and abnormal weight gain.
Now that I'm eating 5-6 times a day instead of 2-3 my sugar levels are stable and within range. Not to mention no more weight gain either.
I'd say closer to 15-16%. I have yet to meet a doctor who truly knows how to do caliper estimates; even people who do, well, the method is prone to error. The only guy I ever knew who was able to do this properly is a trainer from South Africa I had caliper me the day I went in to get DEXA tested for my profile pic. I asked him if he'd like to calibrate himself against a DEXA, so he clipped me at 14%. DEXA scanned me at 14% - and he was so full of himself after that it would have been unbearable except for the fact that he's totally hot and has a sexy accent. Seriously, dude could read me the phone book and I wouldn't care.
Your blood sugar improved because you cleaned up your diet increased your traininng and dropped bodyfat. I guarantee you that it isn't the meal frequency - the research shows the converse is true, notably for type II diabetics. Incretin Secretion in Relation to Meal Size and Body Weight in Healthy Subjects and People with Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus -- Vilsbøll et al. 88 (6): 2706 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
"Increased fasting concentrations of GIP and an early enhanced postprandial GIP response were seen in obese, compared with lean healthy subjects, whereas GLP-1 responses were the same in the two groups. ??-cell sensitivity to glucose, evaluated as the slope of insulin secretion rates vs. plasma glucose concentration, tended to increase in both type 2 diabetic patients (29%, P = 0.19) and obese healthy subjects (22% P = 0.04) during the large meal, compared with the small meal, perhaps reflecting the increased incretin response. We conclude: 1) that a decreased GLP-1 secretion may contribute to impaired insulin secretion in type 2 diabetes mellitus, whereas GIP and GLP-1 secretion is normal in type 1 diabetic patients; and 2) that it is possible to modulate the ??-cell sensitivity to glucose in obese healthy subjects, and possibly also in type 2 diabetic patients, by giving them a large meal, compared with a small meal."
There is actually a great deal of research on this; investigate the search terms incretin, intermittent fasting and meal size for more.
Your blood sugar improved because you cleaned up your diet increased your traininng and dropped bodyfat. I guarantee you that it isn't the meal frequency - the research shows the converse is true, notably for type II diabetics. Incretin Secretion in Relation to Meal Size and Body Weight in Healthy Subjects and People with Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus -- Vilsbøll et al. 88 (6): 2706 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
"Increased fasting concentrations of GIP and an early enhanced postprandial GIP response were seen in obese, compared with lean healthy subjects, whereas GLP-1 responses were the same in the two groups. ??-cell sensitivity to glucose, evaluated as the slope of insulin secretion rates vs. plasma glucose concentration, tended to increase in both type 2 diabetic patients (29%, P = 0.19) and obese healthy subjects (22% P = 0.04) during the large meal, compared with the small meal, perhaps reflecting the increased incretin response. We conclude: 1) that a decreased GLP-1 secretion may contribute to impaired insulin secretion in type 2 diabetes mellitus, whereas GIP and GLP-1 secretion is normal in type 1 diabetic patients; and 2) that it is possible to modulate the ??-cell sensitivity to glucose in obese healthy subjects, and possibly also in type 2 diabetic patients, by giving them a large meal, compared with a small meal."
There is actually a great deal of research on this; investigate the search terms incretin, intermittent fasting and meal size for more.
It worked for me
I did P90X back to back. I lost 115lbs. After that I started working out in the gym. Trained solid for 11 1/2 years and finally made it to the stage on April 2, 2011. Competed at the Northern Colorado Bodybuilding Championships at the age of 50. I took 2nd in the Masters 50+. Not bad for a once 287lb couch potato. Bottom line if it wasn't for P90X, love it or hate it I don't care, I would not have had the impetus to get where I am now. Is it the greatest thing since sliced bread....no. But it is was a great way to start my journey.
I did P90X back to back. I lost 115lbs. After that I started working out in the gym. Trained solid for 11 1/2 years and finally made it to the stage on April 2, 2011. Competed at the Northern Colorado Bodybuilding Championships at the age of 50. I took 2nd in the Masters 50+. Not bad for a once 287lb couch potato. Bottom line if it wasn't for P90X, love it or hate it I don't care, I would not have had the impetus to get where I am now. Is it the greatest thing since sliced bread....no. But it is was a great way to start my journey.
Well that's fantastic. 
I'm very happy you were able to achieve your goals.
I take it you no longer use the product - I know surely could not have done anything so grueling when I was fat. Too lazy.
Got any pix? A before and after would be awesome!
I'm very happy you were able to achieve your goals.
I take it you no longer use the product - I know surely could not have done anything so grueling when I was fat. Too lazy.
Got any pix? A before and after would be awesome!
Worked for me.
Unfortunately didn't take before pics, was never compfortable taking my shirt off when that heavy. All my before pix are clothed. I still use parts of the product Yoga X, Stretch X, Ab Ripper X, during full recovery weeks as I am in now where I have to force myself to stay out of the gym for a week to fully recover from my 14 week onslaught heading into the contest. I typicall take a full 7-9 day recovery week every 12-14 weeks. At 50 years old you don't recover as quickly as your counterparts in their 20's and 30's. I will post pix though so you can see where I started to where I am. It still amazes me.
Unfortunately didn't take before pics, was never compfortable taking my shirt off when that heavy. All my before pix are clothed. I still use parts of the product Yoga X, Stretch X, Ab Ripper X, during full recovery weeks as I am in now where I have to force myself to stay out of the gym for a week to fully recover from my 14 week onslaught heading into the contest. I typicall take a full 7-9 day recovery week every 12-14 weeks. At 50 years old you don't recover as quickly as your counterparts in their 20's and 30's. I will post pix though so you can see where I started to where I am. It still amazes me.
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my roomie did p90x 3 times this year and he still looks like a week suck, his diet is not perfect, but better than mine. and all i do is weight training.
I sadly never took good before pix either - and trust me, pushing 50 myself, I hear you on the recovery front.
I too am amazed at what I've been able to do with my body.
I sadly never took good before pix either - and trust me, pushing 50 myself, I hear you on the recovery front.
I too am amazed at what I've been able to do with my body.
^ sorry but you're a fool. I've done p90x twice and I have gotten great results.
I guarantee you p90x will work for anyone. you know why? you chose what you want to lift. If you are in great shape now, do p90x, if you're curling 100 lbs at the gym, curl 100 lbs in p90x, you would get ripper than ever.
3 days ago i started doing it again, why have i not continued from when i finished it twice? i got kicked out of my house, had to move alot, and honestly i was satisfied with the way i looked, then i broke my hand, and didnt work out for like 5 months, i wish i hadnt broke my hand otherwise I'd have a fuckign 8 pack and be the most ripped ever. a couple days ago i finally could do pushup without my wrist fucking up on me.
so, i will post after picture in 86 days.
if you want to see my before and after picture of my past results i will be happy to show you. i did the p90x doubles twice. At the end of the second p90x i couldnt do it everyday like i wanted to because i had troubles at home. and my diet was shitty because i had to eat anything that I could eat, but this time around im going to try and stick to the diet more. But sadly i would have to start the strict diet in a week when i get paid. Because i have no money to buy protein healthy shit.
Built? A fool? Can tell you're new around here.
I guarantee diet and exercise will work for anyone. You know why? Because they have done for fucking decades. P90x is the same old crap repackaged and shovelled out to people who have more money than sense, or in your case more bandwidth than sense if you didn't pay for it.
I don't want to get "ripper than ever". I want people to stop relying on overhyped, overpriced, overrated, dangerous crap. There are cheaper, safer, and more effective methods out there.
Congratulations on the fat loss, though.
Amen
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To call Built a fool, is just foolish in itself.
You must be new
Glad you have some good results from your workouts though.
Edit: seems gaz beat me to it
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These P90 fags really crack me up! Oh yeah, Built, yeah you don't know what your talking about! I'm going to be laughing at that for days.
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Idk about the whole package... but when I torrented it my fiance loves the yoga and ab work out... she forced me through the ab ripper x stuff one time.. I was dying half way through.. and I still did it.. the next morning my core was so sore I couldn't get out of bed.. standing was painful as hell.. it was like leg day but in my mid section.. lol.. looks like everyone covered it already.. intense workouts + proper diet = results.. form follows function..
Sorry, unlike your goal of getting ripper than ever i actually have competitions to train for so won't be wanking around curling 100lbs or doing crunches when there are 500lb deadlifts to be lifted, or tires to be flipped.
By all means keep doing P90x if you get results off it but always be mindful of the things that you're being prescribed to do in your exercise and watch out for injuries. They are rife in the style of training Horton and his ilk endorse.
Also, can the insults if you want to make it to ten posts without being banned. Nobody here has shit talked you unless provoked. Your first post referred to a valuable member (and a mod) as a fool. Not really a particularly good first impression.
You are nowhere near as knowledgeable as Built or Kelju, and i guarantee both can out lift you. They're more than capable of sticking up for themselves but as a mod here myself - lets discuss this as adults, or gtfo.
So - what are your actual reasons for liking/choosing/training with P90x? I've yet to hear any sort of reasoning from you. Did you put any thought into your decision?
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You need jerking material that bad you homo? Just come out and ask, I'll gladly PM you a picture of my cock and balls for you to fantasize about. Send me a reminder, and I'll get that taken care of for you when I get home.
Fitness newbs are so funny.
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I've been posting in anything goes too much. This really doesn't belong in the serious training forums, and I do apologize.
Noone wants to look like you. So, no thanks.
And we all know what the program does we don't have to try it, smart guy! Know why? Because some of us know that there are way better ways to "Get ripped" or lose fat. We would rather hold on to lean body mass while burning fat, if needbe, not stressing fat and water and muscle off of our bodies by way of exercise. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and will do nothing but spout industry standard generalities and get yourself angrier by continuing down this path you've CHOSEN to tread. This forum is not like alot of others. We're not a bunch of meat heads talking a bunch of tough guy bullshit. Some of us actually know what we're talking about. What you're talking about is a circuit training DVD. There are literally hundreds of them and they all "work", genius! You just got suckered into one of the more popular ones. Why not of the ones that Richard Simmons sells? I guarantee you if you did it and ate right you'd lose just as much weight. 'kout of here!
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