pct

[bknoxx]

I have been Reading everything that i can on PCT.. there is so many diffirent things i have read this is wht i think i might use still looking for help i want to get this together before the gear..
Nolva/Torem ( some i read say its better thn clomi ) im not sure and Anastrozole just incase i need it... this is the cycle im thinking abt will be a 1st cycle might just drop the dbol im thinking im not sure wht the dosage would be for PCT since i read so many diffirent things
any help would be great
10 weeks @ 350mg test E a week
dbol @30 mg 4 weeks

36
6'2
221
bf 12%to 14%
Diet still working on that

 

[gym66]

A typical PCT for Toremifene Citrate is

Week 1 120mg ED
Week 2 90mg ED
Week 3 60mg ED
Week 4 30mg ED
prob just pick torem or nolva
nolva pct
wk 1 40mg
wk 2 20mg
wk 3 20mg
wk 4 20mg
i think both will be over kill
for your first cycle id do test only 500mg/week for 12 weeks
have any ai on hand

 

[VictorZ06]

Don't use nolva, keep it on hand for emergencies. Run 500mg EW of test e for 12 weeks like gym66 said, along side with an AI and HCG. After the first 12 weeks are done, continue the AI until PCT is complete. Do not start PCT the day you finish your test....wait 3 weeks. PCT should consist of clomid alone....day 1&2 take 200mg. Next 4 weeks, take 100/100/75/50. Stop HCG when your done with test...do not take it during PCT. Good luck.



/V

 

[bknoxx]

A typical PCT for Toremifene Citrate is

Week 1 120mg ED
Week 2 90mg ED
Week 3 60mg ED
Week 4 30mg ED
prob just pick torem or nolva
nolva pct
wk 1 40mg
wk 2 20mg
wk 3 20mg
wk 4 20mg
i think both will be over kill
for your first cycle id do test only 500mg/week for 12 weeks
have any ai on hand

Ill have some Dex on hand but was only gonna take it if bloating got real bad or should i use it from the start ? I read u can start an Ai around week 3 ? ty for ur help

 

[VictorZ06]

Start AI on day 1. Don't wait for a problem to happen.....stop it before it begins.



/V

 

[bknoxx]

Don't use nolva, keep it on hand for emergencies. Run 500mg EW of test e for 12 weeks like gym66 said, along side with an AI and HCG. After the first 12 weeks are done, continue the AI until PCT is complete. Do not start PCT the day you finish your test....wait 3 weeks. PCT should consist of clomid alone....day 1&2 take 200mg. Next 4 weeks, take 100/100/75/50. Stop HCG when your done with test...do not take it during PCT. Good luck.



/V

Ty VictorZ06 sounds good ill drop the d-bol and just do the test so i dont need the torem? ill just get the Clomid and Nova and dex for AI i gotta read more abt HCG still ty for the help

 

[gym66]

i would wait until the test kicks in to start an ai. i only take ais if my nips start to itch or swell. i use as little as i can get away with when i do use it. it can be bad on lipid profile so less is better if you can get away with it. are you going to use hcg while on

 

[gym66]

pick one serm you dont need two. clomid or nolva. i used to use nolva because clomid makes me feel like a bitch

 

[bknoxx]

i would wait until the test kicks in to start an ai. i only take ais if my nips start to itch or swell. i use as little as i can get away with when i do use it. it can be bad on lipid profile so less is better if you can get away with it. are you going to use hcg while on

Im still reading up on HCG i wasnt gonna but i think it would be better will help me recover faster anyways..

 

[bknoxx]

pick one serm you dont need two. clomid or nolva. i used to use nolva because clomid makes me feel like a bitch

I read some peeps dont like (Clomid).... Torem or nolva most recomend but im still learing lol

 

[gym66]

i found nolva less harsh and recovery was good

 

[MDR]

Smart man to listen to Victor. Clomid is the way to go. Take the A/I from day one like Victor said-makes no sense to wait for problems and then try to fix them. Eliminate the possibility. Victor already covered everything else, but trust me, his advice is on the money. Good luck with your cycle.

 

[VictorZ06]

i would wait until the test kicks in to start an ai. i only take ais if my nips start to itch or swell. i use as little as i can get away with when i do use it. it can be bad on lipid profile so less is better if you can get away with it. are you going to use hcg while on

I strongly suggest running the AI on day one until the end of your cycle. Why wait for symptoms of gyno to set in before you start taking it?

pick one serm you dont need two. clomid or nolva. i used to use nolva because clomid makes me feel like a bitch

Nolva is far stronger than clomid, clomid will suffice for a starter's basic cycle, as well as advanced ones.

i found nolva less harsh and recovery was good

Nolva will lower both your GH and IGF levels during PCT, not ideal when your body is in such a vulnerable state. That's just one of many reasons why you should avoid nolva at all costs...only when absolutely necessary. You don't have to take my word for it....do some research, I'm sure some of the other guys will chime in.


/V

 

[bknoxx]

Smart man to listen to Victor. Clomid is the way to go. Take the A/I from day one like Victor said-makes no sense to wait for problems and then try to fix them. Eliminate the possibility. Victor already covered everything else, but trust me, his advice is on the money. Good luck with your cycle.

Agreed

 

[bknoxx]

wht abt torem or is the same thing as nolva ? this si wht im thinking thn Clomi pct and Adex for AI still looking into HCG thx guys u been a great help

 

[MDR]

wht abt torem or is the same thing as nolva ? this si wht im thinking thn Clomi pct and Adex for AI still looking into HCG thx guys u been a great help

Clomid works great. If it aint broke...Adex or Aromasin should be fine, and make sure you use Hcg, it'll make your Pct much easier if you use it throughout your cycle.

 

[bknoxx]

Clomid works great. If it aint broke...Adex or Aromasin should be fine, and make sure you use Hcg, it'll make your Pct much easier if you use it throughout your cycle.

I been reading on HCG i know we cant ask but is easy to find ?

 

[MDR]

I been reading on HCG i know we cant ask but is easy to find ?

Sponsors are a great place to start. Good luck.

 

[bknoxx]

^^ cheers

 

[flashinglights]

Like I said in the thread I just created - I never used a SERM. I ramped up and then ramped down in dosage. It just feels like a natural way for your body to recover, to me. I really want to know how many people agree with me. It seems like a lot of the suggestions on here are based on what he said he said. If your doctor put you on medication that influenced your hormones and neurons, he wouldn't be likely to have you stop abruptly, he would have you gradually decrease your dosage. I just don't get this logic of SERMS. Does anyone else out there simply ramp up and then down, very gradually like I do? I have had no negative side effects from doing this. No gyno, no anything.

 

[SloppyJ]

I'd up the test to 500mg/week that's just me though.

Clomid is fine for pct.

 

[bknoxx]

Like I said in the thread I just created - I never used a SERM. I ramped up and then ramped down in dosage. It just feels like a natural way for your body to recover, to me. I really want to know how many people agree with me. It seems like a lot of the suggestions on here are based on what he said he said. If your doctor put you on medication that influenced your hormones and neurons, he wouldn't be likely to have you stop abruptly, he would have you gradually decrease your dosage. I just don't get this logic of SERMS. Does anyone else out there simply ramp up and then down, very gradually like I do? I have had no negative side effects from doing this. No gyno, no anything.

I dont have any exp, wiht it but tht would seem logical really i had a buddy do tht from the DR, 350mg test he slowly decreased the dosage.. idk im gonna do the Serms but might work like tht for some

 

[flashinglights]

Well when I took Tren-FX I kept all of my strength gains doing gradual ramp up and ramp down but I lost a little weight which I think was water weight. Overall I've gained probably 13 pounds lean muscle. Basically, I have the muscle I did since the end of the cycle but I look more cut now. I just don't buy into the hype. SERMS are a fad and probably a waste of money, imo.

 

[MDR]

Like I said in the thread I just created - I never used a SERM. I ramped up and then ramped down in dosage. It just feels like a natural way for your body to recover, to me. I really want to know how many people agree with me. It seems like a lot of the suggestions on here are based on what he said he said. If your doctor put you on medication that influenced your hormones and neurons, he wouldn't be likely to have you stop abruptly, he would have you gradually decrease your dosage. I just don't get this logic of SERMS. Does anyone else out there simply ramp up and then down, very gradually like I do? I have had no negative side effects from doing this. No gyno, no anything.

SERMS help us recover faster and more effectively, losing less of our hard earned gains. If you don't understand why they work, I'd suggest reading some of the hundreds of studies supporting their use with Anabolics. Tren-FX? Really? Come back and give your recommendations about recovering from anabolic steroid use when you've actually tried one.

 

[gym66]

for sure listen to victor. he posted why every thing i said was off, thank for the info bro

 

[VictorZ06]

for sure listen to victor. he posted why every thing i said was off, thank for the info bro

Anytime buddy.



/V

 

[MDR]

for sure listen to victor. he posted why every thing i said was off, thank for the info bro

That tends to happen when your advice is incorrect.

 

[cavtrooper96]

Definitely listen to Victor and MDR. Those 2 fellows KNOW what they are talking about.

An AI is a must. Some do it from day one and others will wait until week 2 or 3. I wait until week 2 and start 0.5mg of adex every EOD and assess from there. Waiting until your nipples are itchy or dont feel right is just stupid! Dont listen to that fool!

At the very least no later than the start of week 3 you should do 0.5mg adex every other 2 days. Most will agree that is not enough. It may be if you are only on a low dose of test.

 

[bknoxx]

Definitely listen to Victor and MDR. Those 2 fellows KNOW what they are talking about.

An AI is a must. Some do it from day one and others will wait until week 2 or 3. I wait until week 2 and start 0.5mg of adex every EOD and assess from there. Waiting until your nipples are itchy or dont feel right is just stupid! Dont listen to that fool!

At the very least no later than the start of week 3 you should do 0.5mg adex every other 2 days. Most will agree that is not enough. It may be if you are only on a low dose of test.

Thanks Man my mind is made up gonna fallow Vic/ MDR's advice they defo know there Shizz lol

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

I strongly suggest running the AI on day one until the end of your cycle. Why wait for symptoms of gyno to set in before you start taking it?

Agreed, Arimidex takes about 1 week to stabilize plasma levels, which means your gyno will have about a 1 week head start on you before you start controlling estrogen, I'm not sure about how long it takes Nolva to peak plasma levels, but prevention is the key !