please explain this concept

[I Are Baboon]

In one single workout, how exactly is it possible to "overtrain" a muscle group? I always hear people say "Less is more" and they speak of "negative gains." It's my understanding that once a muscle is broken down from training it, you can't break it down any more. How could working the muscle after it's fully exhausted create a negative gain? Obviously, I understand the concept of resting your muscles for several days after working it, but I am asking about one single workout (say, your chest). Does my question make sense? Any thoughts?

 

[Skyliner]

All I know is that by overtraining let's say your abs everyday, it'll make the person fatter as it adds on too much stress to their body. As far as overtraining in other departments like biceps and triceps goes, maybe the overtraining deprives it from gaining any rest, thus not only the muscle can't grow, it makes the person less energetic as well since he work so much but didn't rest for the results to appear. Dat's my very bland thoughts and opinions, don't flame me if I'm babbling rubbish

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I don't have a great body, but as long as I work hard like now, I'm gonna reach there.

 

[Arnold]

The term "overtrain" gets misused. I don't think that overtraining is going to result from any one work-out. It is the result of weeks of either too much training, and too little rest, or both.

However, I think that it's possible to train a muscle too hard in one work-out. It won't result in overtraining, but it could cause injury. It can be beneficial once in a while too "shock" a muscle, but this should be used sparingly.

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[Scotty the Body]

Again I agree with Prince (gotta quit that

) I don't think you'll overtrain but you do run the risk of injury if you totaly fatigue a muscle.

I think its ok once in awile, I know there are times when I'm feeling realy good and go for total fatigue but injury is always in the back of my mind when doing so.

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[Arnold]

We think a lot alike, that's scary!

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[Pianomahnn]

I'm scared.

You guys should stop scaring me.

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[Maki Riddington]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon:
In one single workout, how exactly is it possible to "overtrain" a muscle group? I always hear people say "Less is more" and they speak of "negative gains." It's my understanding that once a muscle is broken down from training it, you can't break it down any more. How could working the muscle after it's fully exhausted create a negative gain? Obviously, I understand the concept of resting your muscles for several days after working it, but I am asking about one single workout (say, your chest). Does my question make sense? Any thoughts?

What you are talking about is the what is known as the "Fatigue/Recovery Curve".

Lets say youre walking along at a normal pace which would represent Homeostasis. Then you go for a work out. When you work out you are disrupting your natural state (homeostasis). After you're workout you feel fatigued, lethargic etc. This is where one can go into a "negative balance" depending on how intensly they have worked out, some variables to keep in mind are... their previous state of recovery before their workout, mental state,what exercises they preformed, volume( duration and number of sets and exercises) etc.....
After a certain period of time your body will resist this fatigue and the recovery process will begin. Now it depends on how much time is needed to recover depending on some of the variables I mentioned in the above. If you used all of them then you can lower your fatigue curve alot more which can cause problems such as catching a cold or injurying yourself which get in the way of the whole process. The next step after recovery is what is known as the "Final Training Effect or Super Compensation" where youre level of homeostasis is higher now. This goes hand in hand with some of the principles we know as Overload and SAID.


Did this make sense? If not let me know

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[Burger King]

Skyliner- What you said about training the abs is completely false!!


I am not suggesting you train your abs every day, I am just saying that statement was false.

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[Skyliner]

Originally posted by Burger King:
Skyliner- What you said about training the abs is completely false!!

I am not suggesting you train your abs every day, I am just saying that statement was false.

Well, I got this info from a Fitness Magazine, and either I misread it, or hey simply gave me fake info. However, I do agree that training your abs everyday is useless, though. That's what I did in the past, killing myself with few hundreds situps, crunches, leg raises everyday and it seems useless. Maybe training it 2/3 times a day with a 2-3 days rest in between is good enough.

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I don't have a great body, but as long as I work hard like now, I'm gonna reach there.

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[Burger King]

I see. Most fitness/bodybuilding mags are crap! Use them for the pics of chicks in thongs and perhaps for motivation. That's all.

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