post workout shake

[suprfast]

Ouch, now you have me feeling like a dirty little sup whore.

I realise many people believe that WPI is some magic muscle formula when infact it is an inferior source of protein when compared to solid nutrition, it just makes sense to get a liquid form of fast acting protein and carbs asap after your workout followed by a good solid PWO meal but this is an old argument that will probably go on forever, there are valid points from both sides.

The supplement industry is full of empty promises however there is most definitely a place for powdered protein when used correctly and not simply relied upon.

To be honest I believe Marat has made the most valid point in post #26 as it is often a case of the most practical way to meet your nutritional needs and everybody's routine and schedule are different.

WPI is magical...or I should say WPC is magical. When I take WPC the walls in the bathroom magically paint themselves. When I take WPI I go about the day with a very calm stomach. Both are magical feelings. Lactose intolerance sucks

 

[vortrit]

chocolate milk sounds good

That is mainly what I use.

 

[PushAndPull]

Ouch, now you have me feeling like a dirty little sup whore.

To be honest, you are being a sup whore. You obviously believe the sup companies "There's a 3 hour window period to take advantage of PWO" and yet i'm sure like everyone else i've known (including myself) you hope it works, because the results certainly don't speak for themselves.

I realise many people believe that WPI is some kind of magic muscle formula when infact it is an inferior source of protein when compared to solid nutrition, it just makes sense to get a liquid form of fast acting protein and carbs asap after your workout followed by a good solid PWO mealbut this is an old argument that will probably go on forever, there are valid points from both sides.

I agree it seems logical. So then have your hypothesis. You repeatedly test it, never yields the results you expected. Logial conclusion, hypothesis was incorrect.

The supplement industry is full of empty promises however there is most definitely a place for powdered protein when used correctly and not simply relied upon.

The only "correct" way to use it is for convenience.

To be honest I believe Marat has made the most valid point in post #26 as it is often a case of the most practical way to meet your nutritional needs and everybody's routine and schedule are different.

This has nothing to do with a 3 hour window and everything to do with convenience.

 

[BillHicksFan]

To be honest, you are being a sup whore. You obviously believe the sup companies "There's a 3 hour window period to take advantage of PWO" and yet i'm sure like everyone else i've known (including myself) you hope it works, because the results certainly don't speak for themselves.



I agree it seems logical. So then have your hypothesis. You repeatedly test it, never yields the results you expected. Logial conclusion, hypothesis was incorrect.



The only "correct" way to use it is for convenience.




This has nothing to do with a 3 hour window and everything to do with convenience.

Dude, the " 3 hr window" is just another way of saying that; due to an intense workout you have put your body into a catabolic state therefore you need to return it to an anabolic state asap.

You seem to hold a grudge against supps for one reason or another however WPI has its place if used correctly. In stating that WPI is shit you are basically saying that milk is not a good source of protein.

How can you test that a protein shake is inferior to a solid meal? If you worked out at home it may be wise to eat a solid meal immediately after a workout however most people train in a gym and it takes time to get home and make a meal, that's wasted time IMO.

Really, it's impossible to draw an accurate conclusion unless you took two identical twins who ate the same meals, trained them exactly the same but gave only one a solid meal, ( after he drove though traffic to get home) the other a protein shake at the gym followed by a solid meal when he got home and recorded the results over a period of time.

 

[PushAndPull]

Dude, the " 3 hr window" is just another way of saying that; due to an intense workout you have put your body into a catabolic state therefore you need to return it to an anabolic state asap.

Now you're creating a new definition of what you meant by 3 hour window. If all you meant was to return your body to an anabolic state,

There's a 3 hour window period to take advantage of PWO

then what's there to take advantage of?

Besides this new definition is likewise bullshit. You don't go into a catabolic state after you workout, maybe if you ran a marathon. You are either in a catabolic or anabolic state, post workout does not change that. You're overall diet dictates whether you're catabolic or anabolic.

You seem to hold a grudge against supps for one reason or another however WPI has its place if used correctly. In stating that WPI is shit you are basically saying that milk is not a good source of protein.

This of course is also complete bullshit. What I said was there will be no difference in muscle gains if use a post workout shake or eat a meal. At no time did I say WPI was shit. Try reading my posts.

How can you test that a protein shake is inferior to a solid meal? If you worked out at home it may be wise to eat a solid meal immediately after a workout however most people train in a gym and it takes time to get home and make a meal, that's wasted time IMO.

Really, it's impossible to draw an accurate conclusion unless you took two identical twins who ate the same meals, trained them exactly the same but gave only one a solid meal, ( after he drove though traffic to get home) the other a protein shake at the gym followed by a solid meal when he got home and recorded the results over a period of time.

Fuck me. Once again, I never said a protein shake is inferior to a solid meal. I said that a protein shake is not superior to a meal PWO. There's a fucking difference. Once again for clarity, having a PWO shake is not going to make better gains than having a PWO meal. How do you test? Test on yourself. Drop the PWO shake for a period, have a meal instead, keep your overall diet the same, see if it makes any noticeable changes in your gains. If you see no noticeable change then go back to the PWO shake and see what happens. See no noticeable changes again, you can pretty much conclude that there's no difference or the difference is negligible. Pretty simple.

 

[gtbmed]

The point is, just eat the right macros daily and the timing won't matter. Don't obfuscate things - just train, eat, and rest. As long as those things are in order, you'll make progress.

People want to make this stuff complicated for some reason when in reality it's very simple.

 

[PushAndPull]

The point is, just eat the right macros daily and the timing won't matter. Don't obfuscate things - just train, eat, and rest. As long as those things are in order, you'll make progress.

People want to make this stuff complicated for some reason when in reality it's very simple.

This really is the point. Your overall diet is what's important, not the timing.

 

[Fitzy89]

wooooaaa

Wow I did not think my question would result in such a response! O well I guess I will just have to experiment with different foods and such.. once again thanks guys!

 

[BillHicksFan]

Now you're creating a new definition of what you meant by 3 hour window. If all you meant was to return your body to an anabolic state,

then what's there to take advantage of?

Besides this new definition is likewise bullshit. You don't go into a catabolic state after you workout, maybe if you ran a marathon. You are either in a catabolic or anabolic state, post workout does not change that. You're overall diet dictates whether you're catabolic or anabolic.



This of course is also complete bullshit. What I said was there will be no difference in muscle gains if use a post workout shake or eat a meal. At no time did I say WPI was shit. Try reading my posts.




Fuck me. Once again, I never said a protein shake is inferior to a solid meal. I said that a protein shake is not superior to a meal PWO. There's a fucking difference. Once again for clarity, having a PWO shake is not going to make better gains than having a PWO meal. How do you test? Test on yourself. Drop the PWO shake for a period, have a meal instead, keep your overall diet the same, see if it makes any noticeable changes in your gains. If you see no noticeable change then go back to the PWO shake and see what happens. See no noticeable changes again, you can pretty much conclude that there's no difference or the difference is negligible. Pretty simple.

If I could be bothered multi quoting you I'd point out your contradictions but I can't so I'll let you be a difficult mfer.

 

[BillHicksFan]

This really is the point. Your overall diet is what's important, not the timing.

Nutrient timing is not important

 

[PushAndPull]

If I could be bothered multi quoting you I'd point out your contradictions but I can't so I'll let you be a difficult mfer.

Nice cop-out.

 

[PushAndPull]

Nutrient timing is not important

You're a true placebo head and i'm sure the supplement companies appreciate your business.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Nice cop-out.

Well this thread was created to get info on a post workout shake. I refuse to get into a shit slinging match with you over something so petty as comparing liquid protein to solid protein PWO.

If nutrient timing doesn't make any difference then theoretically you could eat just one big meal a day and still make the same gains, fuck it why not have it right before bed too?

Lets just agree to disagree shall we?

 

[Marat]

Nutrient timing is not important

It's a matter of context. Most of the people who come through these forums, and even more so the individuals who are lurking in the background, barely know how to count calories or even squat properly.

Nutrient timing isn't important for the OP. Feel free to make a separate thread if it's something you think is worthy of discussion.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Save your money and eat a meal.

"Fuck me. Once again, I never said a protein shake is inferior to a solid meal. I said that a protein shake is not superior to a meal PWO. There's a fucking difference." ~ PushAndPull

 

[PushAndPull]

"Fuck me. Once again, I never said a protein shake is inferior to a solid meal. I said that a protein shake is not superior to a meal PWO. There's a fucking difference." ~ PushAndPull

Wow you are fucking dense. Everyone has to buy food, period. Since the food is as good the shake, there's no reason to buy the shake since you already have the food.

 

[Built]

can someone help me?

So I am trying to find a good post strength training workout shake for women any ideas? Currently I use Jay Robb whey protein or Casein and I am just wondering if anyone has any good advice bc I have heard a bunch of different ideas and I am kind of all over the place here

Thanks!

Here's a thought: Let's ask Fitzy what her goals are!

Fitzy, what are your goals? Are you having a hard time gaining weight and want something like a shake for the easy calories?

Or are you just looking for something convenient because you're hungry post workout?

Or maybe some other reason?

 

[BillHicksFan]

Chill out PushAndPull, early in the thread somebody argued that whey is cheap and you relpied "but it's not better."
Now you are saying that food is as good as the shake so why not go the cheaper and most convenient option?
Get off your soap box.

 

[PushAndPull]

Chill out man, early in the thread somebody argued that whey is cheap and you relpied "but it's not better."
Now you are saying that food is as good as the shake so why not go the cheaper and most convenient option?
Get off your soap box.

Fuck you're hopeless. Yes, I said it wasn't better, that is the main point I wanted to make to him. He said buy the whey and eat a meal, but why buy the whey when it isn't going to make any difference. The supplement advertising that's out there will lead you to believe otherwise. Perfect example, you believing in the "three hour window" Of course your weak ass later tried backing out of that and replacing it with an even more retarted theory, one that you obviously made up. You would love to turn this argument around and avoid the real issue. The real agrument is the "anabolic window" theory which you and others obviously believe in. The problem with the "PWO shake" is when people believe the advertising and think it's superior, and that their gains will be better for taking it. You then likewise try to convince people that are new weight training to believe this bullshit as well. I'll repeat, convenience is the only thing protein powder is good for.

 

[Built]

Okay, that's it. <stops car> "Don't make me come back there..."

The anabolic window seems to be largely overblown. Unless you're a competive athlete and training your ASS off, it seems to be more a matter of comfort than reduced catabolism that drives post workout nutritional preference. Personally, I've always been more of a preworkout meal fan, but event that's been largly falling flat in the wake of leangains blog.

Much to ponder. Most of it probably doesn't matter much until you're nearing low single-digit bodyfat (high single-digit if you're a girl).

Now quit it, both of you. <glowers>

 

[PushAndPull]

Okay, that's it. <stops car> "Don't make me come back there..."

The anabolic window seems to be largely overblown. Unless you're a competive athlete and training your ASS off, it seems to be more a matter of comfort than reduced catabolism that drives post workout nutritional preference. Personally, I've always been more of a preworkout meal fan, but event that's been largly falling flat in the wake of leangains blog.

Much to ponder. Most of it probably doesn't matter much until you're nearing low single-digit bodyfat (high single-digit if you're a girl).

Now quit it, both of you. <glowers>

Killjoy

 

[Built]

Killjoy

<giggles!>

 

[Du]

Wow I did not think my question would result in such a response! O well I guess I will just have to experiment with different foods and such.. once again thanks guys!

Okay back on track...

I go with:

- One scoop of AllTheWhey brand protein blend
- 8-10 ounces COLD milk
- A little icewater
- Some Hershey syrup or Nestle Powder

Finishing it off right now; delicious.

 

[premo]

is this better then a protein shake

Chocolate milk

 

[gtbmed]

is this better then a protein shake

Is it better? I don't know, that depends on what your goals are and whether you can fit chocolate milk into your daily macros. But if you drink 3-4 cups of milk, that's 25-30g of protein and plenty of calories to help promote recovery.

I definitely think it tastes better.

 

[vortrit]

Is it better? I don't know, that depends on what your goals are and whether you can fit chocolate milk into your daily macros. But if you drink 3-4 cups of milk, that's 25-30g of protein and plenty of calories to help promote recovery.

I definitely think it tastes better.

Not to mention it is cheap, and you can get it just about anywhere. One of the moderators (I think it may have been Built) post a very good article about the benefits of chocolate milk post workout. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[vortrit]

Here it is!

 

[XYZ]

Wow you are fucking dense. Everyone has to buy food, period. Since the food is as good the shake, there's no reason to buy the shake since you already have the food.

Protein powder is more of a convenient quick solution to PWO, but nothing is going to beat solid food.

 

[premo]

so right now im cutting - theres alot of sugur in milk no?

 

[vortrit]

so right now im cutting - theres alot of sugur in milk no?

I think people who are seriously cutting for something like a competition avoid milk. On just a general cut I don't know if I would worry about it too much. Of course, I've never been that serious about a cut.