Proposed Cycle

[Raylike]

Gents

I would like some advise/input on my proposed cycle. I am open to ideas and willing to take advise, that said please go gently.

16 Week cycle.

Week 1 - 2 Test P 250mg e/o/d
Week 1 - 4 Npp 140mg e/o/d
Week 1 - 6 Tren E 300mg/wk
Week 1- 12 Deca 800mg-1000mg/wk
Week 1- 14 Test E 1000mg-1200mg
Week 15-16 Test P 250mg e/o/d

Hcg

Week 500iu twice a week


PCT

Clomid Wk 1-2 100mg,Wk 3 -50mg,Wk 4 -50mg
Tamoxifen Wk 1- 6 20mg e/d

Thoughts please gents,thanks.

 

[Dath]

You left something out..

Stats?
Prior AAS use?

 

[Vibrant]

those are pretty high doses, before we comment on it we need stats from you.

age
weight
height
BF%
previous cycle experience
training and diet

 

[Raylike]

those are pretty high doses, before we comment on it we need stats from you.

age
weight
height
BF%
previous cycle experience
training and diet

Age 43.
Weight 231pds.
Bodyfat , hard to tell, but abs are visable, with little fat around lower back,lol.
Cycle experince 10yrs on and off. Competed since aged 18yrs old. Last cycle 6 months ago.
Training each body part once a week,
Diet clean.

Like I said this is just a proposal, nothing is set in stone yet.

 

[Raylike]

You left something out..

Stats?
Prior AAS use?

Age 43.
Weight 231pds.
Bodyfat , hard to tell, but abs are visable, with little fat around lower back,lol.
Cycle experince 10yrs on and off. Competed since aged 18yrs old. Last cycle 6 months ago.
Training each body part once a week,
Diet clean.

 

[Raylike]

Bump gents.

 

[Dath]

Gents

I would like some advise/input on my proposed cycle. I am open to ideas and willing to take advise, that said please go gently.

16 Week cycle.

Week 1 - 2 Test P 250mg e/o/d
Week 1 - 4 Npp 140mg e/o/d
Week 1 - 6 Tren E 300mg/wk
Week 1- 12 Deca 800mg-1000mg/wk
Week 1- 14 Test E 1000mg-1200mg
Week 15-16 Test P 250mg e/o/d

Hcg

Week 500iu twice a week


PCT

Clomid Wk 1-2 100mg,Wk 3 -50mg,Wk 4 -50mg
Tamoxifen Wk 1- 6 20mg e/d

Thoughts please gents,thanks.

That's a hefty looking cycle bro. You'll definately add mass with that!
The Tren E I'd drop...6 wks with the long ester IMO not worth it with everything else that's planned.
I like the short esters to kick with, the Deca I'd run closer 2:1 with the test unless there's no concern for libido issues.
I'd definately add arimidex .5mgs-1mgs eod depending on sides
Caber .5 mgs twice a week

Pct depending on doses above...longer on higher
5 weeks clomid 150/100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/25/12.5/12.5

Maybe cruise...

 

[Roaddkingg]

Gents

I would like some advise/input on my proposed cycle. I am open to ideas and willing to take advise, that said please go gently.

16 Week cycle.

Week 1 - 2 Test P 250mg e/o/d
Week 1 - 4 Npp 140mg e/o/d
Week 1 - 6 Tren E 300mg/wk
Week 1- 12 Deca 800mg-1000mg/wk
Week 1- 14 Test E 1000mg-1200mg
Week 15-16 Test P 250mg e/o/d

Hcg

Week 500iu twice a week


PCT

Clomid Wk 1-2 100mg,Wk 3 -50mg,Wk 4 -50mg
Tamoxifen Wk 1- 6 20mg e/d

Thoughts please gents,thanks.

Thank you for giving Dath, Vibrant & myself more information to work off of.
I see a few flaws but at the same time see a cycle that could be very productive.
Lets start with touching on ai's. Do you plan to run arimadex on cycle? If so how much? For this cycle I would think that .5mgs arimadex EOD from the start should suffice.
Next...Since you are doing NPP & later deca are you planning to use cabergoline. My suggestion would be caber @.5mgs 2x wkly.
I personally like the idea of test P & NPP in the front for a kicker.
And the idea of test P in the end. Have you considered that you could run the test P a bit longer at the tail end while you are waiting for the esters to clear? You could run it till about 4 days before you start you'r PCT.
I think you should stop your deca two weeks prior to stopping your test at the end because it will take longer to clear.
Now lets get to you'r PCT plan.
What you suggest is what some still prefer to do but in my opinion I think you'd be better off to start your clomid @ 100, 75, 50, 50 and use aromasin rather than nolva @ 25, 25, 12.5, 12.5.
Keep the nolve on hand but be aware that if a gyno issue pops up you would be unwise to use it with this cycle since you are useing a pretty hefty amount of a 19nor deca.
One more thing to take into concideration I feel it's a rule of thumb to always have your test @ twice whatever amount of deca you are taking to help prevent the ole deca dick syndrome.
And since you are planning a 16 week cycle you may want to extend you'r PCT out another week or even two wont hurt.
There's my 2 cents.

 

[Raylike]

That's a hefty looking cycle bro. You'll definately add mass with that!
The Tren E I'd drop...6 wks with the long ester IMO not worth it with everything else that's planned.
I like the short esters to kick with, the Deca I'd run closer 2:1 with the test unless there's no concern for libido issues.
I'd definately add arimidex .5mgs-1mgs eod depending on sides
Caber .5 mgs twice a week

Pct depending on doses above...longer on higher
5 weeks clomid 150/100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/25/12.5/12.5

Maybe cruise...

Thanks for the input Dath.
You dont think the Tren would kickstart the cycle mate? Perhpas run it for 4Wks instead of dropping it all together?

Whats is Caber?

Keep the PCT at the proposed start date , just run it for longer and higher doses,right?

Cruise, when mate?

 

[Raylike]

Thank you for giving Dath, Vibrant & myself more information to work off of.
I see a few flaws but at the same time see a cycle that could be very productive.
Lets start with touching on ai's. Do you plan to run arimadex on cycle? If so how much? For this cycle I would think that .5mgs arimadex EOD from the start should suffice.
Next...Since you are doing NPP & later deca are you planning to use cabergoline. My suggestion would be caber @.5mgs 2x wkly.
I personally like the idea of test P & NPP in the front for a kicker.
And the idea of test P in the end. Have you considered that you could run the test P a bit longer at the tail end while you are waiting for the esters to clear? You could run it till about 4 days before you start you'r PCT.
I think you should stop your deca two weeks prior to stopping your test at the end because it will take longer to clear.


Now lets get to you'r PCT plan.
What you suggest is what some still prefer to do but in my opinion I think you'd be better off to start your clomid @ 100, 75, 50, 50 and use aromasin rather than nolva @ 25, 25, 12.5, 12.5.
Keep the nolve on hand but be aware that if a gyno issue pops up you would be unwise to use it with this cycle since you are useing a pretty hefty amount of a 19nor deca.
One more thing to take into concideration I feel it's a rule of thumb to always have your test @ twice whatever amount of deca you are taking to help prevent the ole deca dick syndrome.
And since you are planning a 16 week cycle you may want to extend you'r PCT out another week or even two wont hurt.
There's my 2 cents.

Thanks Roaddkingg, your input is welcome mate.

Clearly I am out of touch with the mordern cycles mate,lol. I am willing to take gear out or decrease/increase for that matter.

If it were cycle mate,how would you do it.

Interesting to see that you would keep the Tren E, snother view was to drop it?

Thanks.

 

[Raylike]

I know what Caber is now,lol.

 

[Vibrant]

what is your cycle goal, to cut, to bulk, or recomp?

 

[Roaddkingg]

Oooppps!

I missed something here thats critical and Dath caught it.
Thanks Dath....My error.
Yes drop the tren E. Not wise at all with the deca. They are both 19nor and I should have seen that prior.
My @#@k up.
Dont do tren & deca together.

 

[Raylike]

I missed something here thats critical and Dath caught it.
Thanks Dath....My error.
Yes drop the tren E. Not wise at all with the deca. They are both 19nor and I should have seen that prior.
My @#@k up.
Dont do tren & deca together.

No need to apologise mate. You thoughts are making these old brain cells fire(whats left of them)

 

[Raylike]

what is your cycle goal, to cut, to bulk, or recomp?

I might compete closer to the end of the year, work related.

My thought behind the cycle was a "lean" mass cycle. I probably got this wrong too,lol.

 

[Roaddkingg]

If you go up to 1,200 mgs test and 600mgs deca with the front & rear kickers of short esters it wont be lean bro.
It's more of a old school mass cycle but instead of the orals for front & rear your taking the short esters.
Ofcourse your diets going to play a huge role in this but I'd say you'd blow up big on this cycle.
Remember what I said about the tren though.....NO tren and deca together.
Read up on it and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Some things just do not go together there's way to much health risks.
Oh....speaking of which do you plan on taking any liver supports?
My choice always has been Liv-52.

 

[Vibrant]

I might compete closer to the end of the year, work related.

My thought behind the cycle was a "lean" mass cycle. I probably got this wrong too,lol.

deca may add a lot of bloat. I propose to you this stack (read this article written by HeavyIron AKA john connor AKA the AAS GURU)



Cutting Cycle Synergy~the secret weapon~updated

For years bodybuilders have experimented with various compounds while in their cutting phases to find the ultimate AAS stack to assist in cutting body fat while preserving lean body mass. Almost any steroid may be used to cut with as long as nutrition, training and recovery are properly in place but as contest time approaches most bodybuilders want a hard, defined and dry look. This is a time when various low or non aromatizing anabolic steroids are employed.

The Secret Weapon

Certain anabolic steroids work synergistically with one another and years ago a particular stack started being used often by bodybuilders around the world. At first it was called ???The Secret Weapon???. This stack is a powerful combination of anabolic steroids that can elicit a hard, dry grainy look. It preserves muscle mass even during extreme dieting. In fact, many users report gaining lean body mass while dieting on this powerful cocktail of anabolic steroids.

Cut Mix

The secret weapon is no longer a secret. Once this combination of steroids started gaining popularity the manufacturers of steroid products immediately started producing these steroids together in a blend. Most users who administer these blends are amazed at just how effective they are. Today The Secret Weapon is more commonly referred to as Cut Mix.

Cut Mix is a blend of 3 anabolic hormones. Each ml typically contains the following active ingredients: Drostanolone Propionate - 50 mg/ml, Testosterone Propionate - 50 mg/ml, Trenbolone Acetate - 50 mg/ml. Therefore 1ml Cut Mix daily equals 350mg Masteron, 350mg Testosterone Propionate and 350mg Trenbolone Acetate weekly.

One of the challenges with using a pre measured blend is you are locked into certain ratios. The above mix is a 1 to 1 to 1 ratio which may be problematic if you want to keep one compound lower or higher than another. For example, many guys like to run Testosterone at higher or lower doses in relationship to their Trenbolone dose. This is especially true towards the end of prep when the Testosterone dose may be dropped very low or altogether while the Trenbolone dose is kept higher. Therefore I personally like having all compounds in a separate vial so I can create whatever ratio I want depending on the period of the cycle I???m in.

Masteron (drostanolone propionate) is a moderately anabolic steroid that promotes increases in hardness, lean body mass and strength which has a positive effect on the potential for fat loss. Masteron does not possess any estrogenic activity and therefore water retention is highly unlikely. In fact, Masteron is often described as anti-estrogenic. This DHT derivative actually competes with other aromatizable substrates for binding to the aromatase enzyme. Masteron is not only a moderate anabolic but also a mild anti-estrogen which is very useful when stacking with low doses of other aromatizing steroids such as Testosterone.

Testosterone Propionate is a powerful mass building drug that is able to rapidly add gains in muscle size and strength. It???s the only aromatizing steroid in this stack but at reasonable doses aromatization is moderate. I'm convinced there's almost no other traditional injectable stack that's as potent and versatile as Testosterone and Trenbolone. It's a simple stack with enormous potential to harden muscle, promote fat loss and add raw strength. The addition of Masteron adds even more to this synergy as it acts as an anti-estrogen to control aromatization of Testosterone. If Testosterone doses are higher an Aromatase Inhibitor may be needed.

Trenbolone Acetate is at least 3 times more anabolic and androgenic than Testosterone or Nandrolone. Trenbolone binds to androgen receptors (ARs) with approximately three times the affinity of testosterone and has been shown to augment skeletal muscle mass and bone growth and reduce adiposity! Tren is one potent weapon in the bodybuilder???s arsenal. Trenbolone is a non-estrogenic steroid so water retention is highly unlikely. Stacking with complimentary steroids such as Testosterone maximizes Trenbolones potential and also reduces side effects such as loss of libido.

In addition to the Cut Mix several other medications are typically employed to further optimize the cutting cycle. The first compound is Winstrol tabs or an injectable preperation.

Stanozolol has an anabolic rating of 320 and an androgenic rating of 30 making it an excellent steroid for promoting muscle growth with zero water retention. Stanozolol cannot aromatize into estrogen so estrogenic side effects like water retention are not a factor. Winstrol is excellent for dieting bodybuilders and is best employed near the end of a cutting cycle to keep the user anabolic but give a dry shredded appearance. Winstrol significantly lowers SHBG even at very low doses in a matter of a few days. This is significant because that equates to more free testosterone. Winstrol stacked with testosterone means more testosterone stays free or active. Some users report increased sex drive when stacking Winstrol with testosterone. Basically Winstrol makes your testosterone work better and it can raise libido.

Oxandrolone is derived from DHT. It has a very strong separation of anabolic (about 525) and androgenic (24) effect, and no progestational or estrogenic activity. Anavar is noted for being quite mild as far as oral steroids are concerned, which is great for the promotion of strength and quality muscle tissue gains however lipids should be monitored as it will lower HDL significantly. Mg for mg it displays as much as five-six times the anabolic activity of testosterone in assays, with way less androgenicity. This drug is a favorite of dieting bodybuilders and competitive athletes in speed/anaerobic performance sports, where its tendency for LBM gain (without fat or water retention) fits well with the desired goals.

Cytomel or T3 is used to increase metabolic rate. This increase means more nutrient uptake including increased protein synthesis. Since oxidation rate is increased, energy demands are also increased. When you are in a calorie deficit this will mean even more fat loss when using T3. However, T3 is catabolic so it must be used with anabolic steroids to preserve lean body mass while dieting. Start with 25mcg???s T3 daily and after one week increase the T3 to 50mcg???s daily. After one week you may increase the T3 dose once again to 75mcg???s daily if needed.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH) has clearly been shown to increase lean body mass and to enhance fat loss while improving recovery and even helping with injury repair, especially cartilage. It is my opinion that maximal fat burning GH doses start somewhere around 4-6iu daily in men. For maximal fat burning AND adding maximal lean body mass that range appears to be around 8-12iu GH daily. I recommend at least 5 months of GH administration. GH is a long term commitment and there is a lesser benefit to using GH for shorter durations. This can be quite expensive so many users will skip days during the week. For example, the 5 on 2 off protocol is commonly used to get the desired effects but at the same time reduce cost. Basically the user administers a daily dose Mon-Fri and then dose not administer a dose on the weekends. Another popular protocol is only using GH every other day. The EOD method has some scientific support so it would be my first recommendation for GH users who want to reduce cost.

Many users report a synergy when using GH and Steroids together. It???s commonly reported that the fat burning effects and gains in LBM are much more profound with GH and Testosterone. Therefore in order to maximize the benefits of GH I would not use it alone and highly recommend stacking GH with AAS. Testosterone has been proven to reduce body fat and increase LBM in a dose dependent relationship; therefore I recommend that experienced male users administer at least 5iu GH daily for a duration of 5 months with anabolic steroids. Growth Hormone and the secret weapon stack will illicit increases in lean body mass and a significant reduction in body fat if nutrition, training and recovery are properly in place.

Stimulants are typically employed to further increase energy expenditure. Ephedrine and Caffeine are commonly used in this regard. Beta 2 agonists like Clenbuterol may also be used during a cut. All of these may act as an appetite suppressant as well. Personally I???m not a big fan of stimulants because they tend to make me jittery and agitated however I do use caffeine on a regular basis. Caffeine is inexpensive and works well for me. Clenbuterol has some science demonstrating that it???s slightly anabolic so if I was to advise on the use of any of these, Clen would be my preference for those who have no problems with these compounds.

Final 6 weeks of prep

Before the final 6 weeks of prep I recommend cutting on 50-100mg of Anadrol daily and 1 gram of Testosterone weekly. During this phase almost any combination of steroids may be used but I prefer these two compounds as they provide significant power and energy while dieting. An aromatase inhibitor may be used to control excessive aromatase activity from the Testosterone and always keep Nolvadex on hand in case gynocomastia presents. T3 may be loaded during this first part of the cutting phase.

The last 6 weeks of prep I recommend employing the Secret Weapon. Depending on the male users experience level you may inject between 0.5ml ??? 2 ml daily. However the preferred method is mixing your own ratios to suit your individual needs. I recommend daily injects during contest prep because that will yield the highest blood androgen levels. The Propionate esters from the Masteron and Testosterone possess a half life of about 48 hours however the decline is so significant by the 30th hour that waiting another 18 hours is counter productive. However, a gym rat doing a summer cut for the beach may opt for an every other day injection schedule. The following chart shows the pharmacokinetic characteristics of propionate.

Secret Weapon Sample Cutting Cycle

Week 1-4~One gram Testosterone weekly/50mg Anadrol daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 5~One gram Testosterone weekly/50mg Anadrol daily/25mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 6~One gram Testosterone weekly/50mg Anadrol daily/50mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 7-10~50mg Test Prop, 50mg Mast Prop, 50mg Tren Ace daily/50 mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 11-12~25mg Test Prop, 50mg Mast Prop, 50mg Tren Ace daily/50 mcg???s T3 daily/50mg Winstrol tabs daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 13~50mg Winstrol tabs daily/50mg Anavar tabs daily/50 mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed

The above cycle is just one example and may be modified to meet individual needs, however this basic cutting cycle has such powerful synergy that it will illicit amazing results if nutrition, training and recovery are dialed in.

References:
1. Effects of Human Growth Hormone in Men over 60 Years Old
2. Prevention of Growth Deceleration after Withdrawal of Growth Hormone Therapy in Idiopathic Short Stature
3. Synergistic effects of testosterone and growth hormone on protein metabolism and body composition in prepubertal boys.
4. The Effects of Growth Hormone and/or Testosterone in Healthy Elderly Men: A Randomized Controlled Trial
5. Tissue selectivity and potential clinical applications of trenbolone (17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one): A potent anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic and estrogenic activity.
6. 17{beta}-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.
7. Effect of trenbolone acetate on protein synthesis and degradation rates in fused bovine satellite cell cultures.
8. Pharmacokinetic Properties of Testosterone Propionate in Norman Men.
9. Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men.


A powerful but simple stack I???m convinced there???s almost no other traditional injectable stack that???s as potent and versatile as Testosterone and Trenbolone. It???s a simple stack with enormous potential to harden muscle, promote fat loss and add raw strength. Over the years I have tried just about every combination of steroids from very elaborate to very simple stacks. Since many times guys are on a budget I decided to present a basic simple stack that is cost effective and will illicit terrific changes to a physique. Testosterone is a great base to all cycles. It increases mood, energy and libido while giving good performance in the gym. However, sometimes guys want that extra edge in reaching their goals. Instead of taking various peptides, orals or other injectable combinations one of the most simple things to do is add Trenbolone to your Testosterone base. This powerful but simple stack may be used to cut, bulk, add raw strength or recomp.

Depending on the goal, various dosing schemes may be employed but for me the most basic is 600-750mg Testosterone weekly with 225-350mg Trenbolone weekly. In just 8 short weeks this cycle will provide great results if nutrition, training and recovery is dialed in.

I love the pure look of the Euro-Pharmacies Trenbolone. Honestly, I have never seen such clarity and lack of oxidation in Trenbolone. I have seen it made from implants and the color is similar but there is always a tiny swirl of turbidity. The EP Trenbolone has ZERO turbidity or oxidative color.

Trenbolone at it???s finest. Euro-Pharmacies Testosterone and Trenbolone is a simple, pure and strong stack.

Sometimes it???s best to keep things simple???heavyiron


read that^^^ and let's hear what you think.

 

[Raylike]

If you go up to 1,200 mgs test and 600mgs deca with the front & rear kickers of short esters it wont be lean bro.
It's more of a old school mass cycle but instead of the orals for front & rear your taking the short esters.
Ofcourse your diets going to play a huge role in this but I'd say you'd blow up big on this cycle.
Remember what I said about the tren though.....NO tren and deca together.
Read up on it and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Some things just do not go together there's way to much health risks.
Oh....speaking of which do you plan on taking any liver supports?
My choice always has been Liv-52.

I will drop the Tren mate.

I guess my "old" ways are clear by my cycle plan,lol.

Using the gear mentioned, how would you plan this cycle mate?

 

[Raylike]

deca may add a lot of bloat. I propose to you this stack (read this article written by HeavyIron AKA john connor AKA the AAS GURU)



Cutting Cycle Synergy~the secret weapon~updated

For years bodybuilders have experimented with various compounds while in their cutting phases to find the ultimate AAS stack to assist in cutting body fat while preserving lean body mass. Almost any steroid may be used to cut with as long as nutrition, training and recovery are properly in place but as contest time approaches most bodybuilders want a hard, defined and dry look. This is a time when various low or non aromatizing anabolic steroids are employed.

The Secret Weapon

Certain anabolic steroids work synergistically with one another and years ago a particular stack started being used often by bodybuilders around the world. At first it was called ???The Secret Weapon???. This stack is a powerful combination of anabolic steroids that can elicit a hard, dry grainy look. It preserves muscle mass even during extreme dieting. In fact, many users report gaining lean body mass while dieting on this powerful cocktail of anabolic steroids.

Cut Mix

The secret weapon is no longer a secret. Once this combination of steroids started gaining popularity the manufacturers of steroid products immediately started producing these steroids together in a blend. Most users who administer these blends are amazed at just how effective they are. Today The Secret Weapon is more commonly referred to as Cut Mix.

Cut Mix is a blend of 3 anabolic hormones. Each ml typically contains the following active ingredients: Drostanolone Propionate - 50 mg/ml, Testosterone Propionate - 50 mg/ml, Trenbolone Acetate - 50 mg/ml. Therefore 1ml Cut Mix daily equals 350mg Masteron, 350mg Testosterone Propionate and 350mg Trenbolone Acetate weekly.

One of the challenges with using a pre measured blend is you are locked into certain ratios. The above mix is a 1 to 1 to 1 ratio which may be problematic if you want to keep one compound lower or higher than another. For example, many guys like to run Testosterone at higher or lower doses in relationship to their Trenbolone dose. This is especially true towards the end of prep when the Testosterone dose may be dropped very low or altogether while the Trenbolone dose is kept higher. Therefore I personally like having all compounds in a separate vial so I can create whatever ratio I want depending on the period of the cycle I???m in.

Masteron (drostanolone propionate) is a moderately anabolic steroid that promotes increases in hardness, lean body mass and strength which has a positive effect on the potential for fat loss. Masteron does not possess any estrogenic activity and therefore water retention is highly unlikely. In fact, Masteron is often described as anti-estrogenic. This DHT derivative actually competes with other aromatizable substrates for binding to the aromatase enzyme. Masteron is not only a moderate anabolic but also a mild anti-estrogen which is very useful when stacking with low doses of other aromatizing steroids such as Testosterone.

Testosterone Propionate is a powerful mass building drug that is able to rapidly add gains in muscle size and strength. It???s the only aromatizing steroid in this stack but at reasonable doses aromatization is moderate. I'm convinced there's almost no other traditional injectable stack that's as potent and versatile as Testosterone and Trenbolone. It's a simple stack with enormous potential to harden muscle, promote fat loss and add raw strength. The addition of Masteron adds even more to this synergy as it acts as an anti-estrogen to control aromatization of Testosterone. If Testosterone doses are higher an Aromatase Inhibitor may be needed.

Trenbolone Acetate is at least 3 times more anabolic and androgenic than Testosterone or Nandrolone. Trenbolone binds to androgen receptors (ARs) with approximately three times the affinity of testosterone and has been shown to augment skeletal muscle mass and bone growth and reduce adiposity! Tren is one potent weapon in the bodybuilder???s arsenal. Trenbolone is a non-estrogenic steroid so water retention is highly unlikely. Stacking with complimentary steroids such as Testosterone maximizes Trenbolones potential and also reduces side effects such as loss of libido.

In addition to the Cut Mix several other medications are typically employed to further optimize the cutting cycle. The first compound is Winstrol tabs or an injectable preperation.

Stanozolol has an anabolic rating of 320 and an androgenic rating of 30 making it an excellent steroid for promoting muscle growth with zero water retention. Stanozolol cannot aromatize into estrogen so estrogenic side effects like water retention are not a factor. Winstrol is excellent for dieting bodybuilders and is best employed near the end of a cutting cycle to keep the user anabolic but give a dry shredded appearance. Winstrol significantly lowers SHBG even at very low doses in a matter of a few days. This is significant because that equates to more free testosterone. Winstrol stacked with testosterone means more testosterone stays free or active. Some users report increased sex drive when stacking Winstrol with testosterone. Basically Winstrol makes your testosterone work better and it can raise libido.

Oxandrolone is derived from DHT. It has a very strong separation of anabolic (about 525) and androgenic (24) effect, and no progestational or estrogenic activity. Anavar is noted for being quite mild as far as oral steroids are concerned, which is great for the promotion of strength and quality muscle tissue gains however lipids should be monitored as it will lower HDL significantly. Mg for mg it displays as much as five-six times the anabolic activity of testosterone in assays, with way less androgenicity. This drug is a favorite of dieting bodybuilders and competitive athletes in speed/anaerobic performance sports, where its tendency for LBM gain (without fat or water retention) fits well with the desired goals.

Cytomel or T3 is used to increase metabolic rate. This increase means more nutrient uptake including increased protein synthesis. Since oxidation rate is increased, energy demands are also increased. When you are in a calorie deficit this will mean even more fat loss when using T3. However, T3 is catabolic so it must be used with anabolic steroids to preserve lean body mass while dieting. Start with 25mcg???s T3 daily and after one week increase the T3 to 50mcg???s daily. After one week you may increase the T3 dose once again to 75mcg???s daily if needed.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH) has clearly been shown to increase lean body mass and to enhance fat loss while improving recovery and even helping with injury repair, especially cartilage. It is my opinion that maximal fat burning GH doses start somewhere around 4-6iu daily in men. For maximal fat burning AND adding maximal lean body mass that range appears to be around 8-12iu GH daily. I recommend at least 5 months of GH administration. GH is a long term commitment and there is a lesser benefit to using GH for shorter durations. This can be quite expensive so many users will skip days during the week. For example, the 5 on 2 off protocol is commonly used to get the desired effects but at the same time reduce cost. Basically the user administers a daily dose Mon-Fri and then dose not administer a dose on the weekends. Another popular protocol is only using GH every other day. The EOD method has some scientific support so it would be my first recommendation for GH users who want to reduce cost.

Many users report a synergy when using GH and Steroids together. It???s commonly reported that the fat burning effects and gains in LBM are much more profound with GH and Testosterone. Therefore in order to maximize the benefits of GH I would not use it alone and highly recommend stacking GH with AAS. Testosterone has been proven to reduce body fat and increase LBM in a dose dependent relationship; therefore I recommend that experienced male users administer at least 5iu GH daily for a duration of 5 months with anabolic steroids. Growth Hormone and the secret weapon stack will illicit increases in lean body mass and a significant reduction in body fat if nutrition, training and recovery are properly in place.

Stimulants are typically employed to further increase energy expenditure. Ephedrine and Caffeine are commonly used in this regard. Beta 2 agonists like Clenbuterol may also be used during a cut. All of these may act as an appetite suppressant as well. Personally I???m not a big fan of stimulants because they tend to make me jittery and agitated however I do use caffeine on a regular basis. Caffeine is inexpensive and works well for me. Clenbuterol has some science demonstrating that it???s slightly anabolic so if I was to advise on the use of any of these, Clen would be my preference for those who have no problems with these compounds.

Final 6 weeks of prep

Before the final 6 weeks of prep I recommend cutting on 50-100mg of Anadrol daily and 1 gram of Testosterone weekly. During this phase almost any combination of steroids may be used but I prefer these two compounds as they provide significant power and energy while dieting. An aromatase inhibitor may be used to control excessive aromatase activity from the Testosterone and always keep Nolvadex on hand in case gynocomastia presents. T3 may be loaded during this first part of the cutting phase.

The last 6 weeks of prep I recommend employing the Secret Weapon. Depending on the male users experience level you may inject between 0.5ml ??? 2 ml daily. However the preferred method is mixing your own ratios to suit your individual needs. I recommend daily injects during contest prep because that will yield the highest blood androgen levels. The Propionate esters from the Masteron and Testosterone possess a half life of about 48 hours however the decline is so significant by the 30th hour that waiting another 18 hours is counter productive. However, a gym rat doing a summer cut for the beach may opt for an every other day injection schedule. The following chart shows the pharmacokinetic characteristics of propionate.

Secret Weapon Sample Cutting Cycle

Week 1-4~One gram Testosterone weekly/50mg Anadrol daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 5~One gram Testosterone weekly/50mg Anadrol daily/25mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 6~One gram Testosterone weekly/50mg Anadrol daily/50mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 7-10~50mg Test Prop, 50mg Mast Prop, 50mg Tren Ace daily/50 mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 11-12~25mg Test Prop, 50mg Mast Prop, 50mg Tren Ace daily/50 mcg???s T3 daily/50mg Winstrol tabs daily/Arimidex as needed
Week 13~50mg Winstrol tabs daily/50mg Anavar tabs daily/50 mcg???s T3 daily/Arimidex as needed

The above cycle is just one example and may be modified to meet individual needs, however this basic cutting cycle has such powerful synergy that it will illicit amazing results if nutrition, training and recovery are dialed in.

References:
1. Effects of Human Growth Hormone in Men over 60 Years Old
2. Prevention of Growth Deceleration after Withdrawal of Growth Hormone Therapy in Idiopathic Short Stature
3. Synergistic effects of testosterone and growth hormone on protein metabolism and body composition in prepubertal boys.
4. The Effects of Growth Hormone and/or Testosterone in Healthy Elderly Men: A Randomized Controlled Trial
5. Tissue selectivity and potential clinical applications of trenbolone (17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one): A potent anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic and estrogenic activity.
6. 17{beta}-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.
7. Effect of trenbolone acetate on protein synthesis and degradation rates in fused bovine satellite cell cultures.
8. Pharmacokinetic Properties of Testosterone Propionate in Norman Men.
9. Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men.


A powerful but simple stack I???m convinced there???s almost no other traditional injectable stack that???s as potent and versatile as Testosterone and Trenbolone. It???s a simple stack with enormous potential to harden muscle, promote fat loss and add raw strength. Over the years I have tried just about every combination of steroids from very elaborate to very simple stacks. Since many times guys are on a budget I decided to present a basic simple stack that is cost effective and will illicit terrific changes to a physique. Testosterone is a great base to all cycles. It increases mood, energy and libido while giving good performance in the gym. However, sometimes guys want that extra edge in reaching their goals. Instead of taking various peptides, orals or other injectable combinations one of the most simple things to do is add Trenbolone to your Testosterone base. This powerful but simple stack may be used to cut, bulk, add raw strength or recomp.

Depending on the goal, various dosing schemes may be employed but for me the most basic is 600-750mg Testosterone weekly with 225-350mg Trenbolone weekly. In just 8 short weeks this cycle will provide great results if nutrition, training and recovery is dialed in.

I love the pure look of the Euro-Pharmacies Trenbolone. Honestly, I have never seen such clarity and lack of oxidation in Trenbolone. I have seen it made from implants and the color is similar but there is always a tiny swirl of turbidity. The EP Trenbolone has ZERO turbidity or oxidative color.

Trenbolone at it???s finest. Euro-Pharmacies Testosterone and Trenbolone is a simple, pure and strong stack.

Sometimes it???s best to keep things simple???heavyiron


read that^^^ and let's hear what you think.

Thanks mate, that would be a great cycle closer to the comp no doubt.
If you doubt mind mate , I would prefer to use it next cycle round,before I start my comp diet and comp gear.
I know I asked for opinions and I am grateful for your input mate
I would use it after this cycle, without a doubt.

At the moment I have the above mentioned gear to hand and wanted to use it effectively, I am aware that I will retain water and more than likely bloat too.
Using this gear mate, how would you run it please.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Week 1 - 5 Test P 875mg ew
Week 1 - 5 Npp 400mg ew
Week 1- 12 Deca 500mg ew
Week 1- 14 Test E 1000mg ew
Week 13-16 Test P 875mg ew (make whatever adjustment in your test e to compensate)
Hcg

Week 500iu twice a week


PCT

Clomid 100/100/75/75/50/50
Exemstane 25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

 

[Raylike]

Week 1 - 5 Test P 875mg ew
Week 1 - 5 Npp 400mg ew
Week 1- 12 Deca 500mg ew
Week 1- 14 Test E 1000mg ew
Week 13-16 Test P 875mg ew (make whatever adjustment in your test e to compensate)
Hcg

Week 500iu twice a week


PCT

Clomid 100/100/75/75/50/50
Exemstane 25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

Hey Pittsburgh63

Thanks for dropping in mate.

Some how that seems a more "old school" twist to it mate,lol, just like me.

"Week 13-16 Test P 875mg ew (make whatever adjustment in your test e to compensate)"

Please expand mate.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

The test p and E double up wk 13... so that would put you at 1875mg of test for that wk. So you may want to make an adjustment to your test E dose that week to compensate. Maybe drop it down to 500mg. Then you would be at 1375mg. Your call though.

 

[Raylike]

The test p and E double up wk 13... so that would put you at 1875mg of test for that wk. So you may want to make an adjustment to your test E dose that week to compensate. Maybe drop it down to 500mg. Then you would be at 1375mg. Your call though.

Thank you mate, I would, unless the "red mist descends" and I shrug my sholders and just "forget".

Thank you mate.

 

[Raylike]

Any other suggestions please gents?

 

[12sec1/4]

I think you have it pretty much nailed to be honest...

Of course... You could throw some Winny in the mix in week 12 for 4 weeks up to PCT...

 

[Raylike]

I think you have it pretty much nailed to be honest...

Of course... You could throw some Winny in the mix in week 12 for 4 weeks up to PCT...

Hello mate

Thanks for stopping by,some decent advice there.