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Putting together my first cycle with Tprop
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Ironman2001
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Ok, first of all, for you to say a prop only cycle is worthless you couldn't be more wrong! The only difference in the esters is kick in time and clearance time, cut and dry. Test is test any way you slice it. Your comment on how all the other members who commented don't know anything about bodybuilding is completely disrespectful to them all. You act as if gear is the only facet of bodybuilding that matters. Proper nutrition, training and rest are 90% of a bodybuilders success not what cycle they choose to run. Granted i have seen some bad cycle choices in my 13 yrs plus experience with AAS however this isn't one of them. You should do just fine on this cycle bro, and yes, you need an AI. I favor aromasin at 12.5 mgs ed.
And Imo doing a prop only cycle is a waste of time and you need to read what else I said I did say nutrition eating supplementation also plays a role. But a prop only cycle complete waste of time to acheive any goals
I will make these changes (maybe lower the clomid dose, not sure yet) and keep the rest as outlined in the OP.
Thanks guys I'll let you know how it all goes in a few months.
Thanks guys I'll let you know how it all goes in a few months.
Why do you assume test prop cycle of however many weeks is worse than a test cyp or e cycle for however many weeks? Doesn't make much sense...
The cycle is fine OP just do as the other said with an AI.
I know many hight level bodybuilders who run prop cycles and have great gains! with just prop.
No idea why this clown is saying by itself it is shit....like someone said gear is gear.
Bro do the cycle, eat good and train good get good sleep. And PLEASE do a cycle log of this so you can prove to the nay sayers that this is actually a decent cycl plus it would be great to follow.
All the best champ.
I know many hight level bodybuilders who run prop cycles and have great gains! with just prop.
No idea why this clown is saying by itself it is shit....like someone said gear is gear.
Bro do the cycle, eat good and train good get good sleep. And PLEASE do a cycle log of this so you can prove to the nay sayers that this is actually a decent cycl plus it would be great to follow.
All the best champ.
Professional bodybuilders running just prop cycles no way. Yeah they may use prop with several other compunds together but not alone. See you all are just feeding off each other. A first time prop only cycle is a horrible idea to achieve max gains and strength and size.I cant even believe what i'm hearing from all of you that your telling this newbie to do a prop only cycle for his first cycle.I could care less if I'm the only one that says this oh wait theres 1 more member that agrees with me.And if I hurt anyones feelings to bad grow thicker skin.None of you should be telling this member to do this cycle for a first time. To the newbie who started this thread do 500MG OF CYP FOR 12 WEEKS for your first cycle. Take all your aromasins or what ever you want to take, use your clomid follow the protocol but do the cyp only for 12 weeks. If you eat right 6 times a day healthy food and supps I can guarantee you that you will gain 20lbs of muscle. CASE CLOSED
OP. FYI, here you go -
Ester actual test mg/100mg dose:
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
Dosed and applied correctly, you will see as good as or better gains with prop than with test E or C.
Ester actual test mg/100mg dose:
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
Dosed and applied correctly, you will see as good as or better gains with prop than with test E or C.
What the hell is the difference? Lets see, actually a prop cycle would be better. You start taking 500mg/wk of long ester test. You wait at least 3 weeks for it to kick in. Then that's 9 weeks of feeling "On". Then you stop and have to wait 2 weeks for it to clear. Where the prop would kick in the first week and you wait 3 days for the ester to clear to start PCT.
FUZO you really are an imbecile and very arrogant.
You are a hazard to those who ARE WILLING TO LEARN.
Someone needs to ban this idiot.
Ask any of the well schooled mods on here I know that at least some of them have done and agree that prop cycles 8 weeks or longer are fine!
Testosterone is testosterone you blank idiot! just the esters differ.
My GOD!
You are a hazard to those who ARE WILLING TO LEARN.
Someone needs to ban this idiot.
Ask any of the well schooled mods on here I know that at least some of them have done and agree that prop cycles 8 weeks or longer are fine!
Testosterone is testosterone you blank idiot! just the esters differ.
My GOD!
If prop is so bad then why have i gained around 15 pounds in 4 weeks? Yes, some is fat. But its mostly muscle. People are telling me i'm blowing up. No complaints with prop here.
Besides the half-life of enanthate or cyp only allows a slight increase in test levels v injecting prop ed. Look at some of the online half-life calculators. I would rather have test that kicks in quick and leaves my system when i want to get off.
By the way Fuzo, u havent actually given an answer as to why long ester test is better than prop. You keep saying all the pros use long esters and then complain that we are the ones who are repeating what others have said. So why are lo g esters better? Is it because they are intended for longer cycles? Because they lead to higher in vivo test levels?
To the OP, look at my bloodwork under Raws n More's section. Basically im doing what u are wanting to do but with 75mg ed injects.
Besides the half-life of enanthate or cyp only allows a slight increase in test levels v injecting prop ed. Look at some of the online half-life calculators. I would rather have test that kicks in quick and leaves my system when i want to get off.
By the way Fuzo, u havent actually given an answer as to why long ester test is better than prop. You keep saying all the pros use long esters and then complain that we are the ones who are repeating what others have said. So why are lo g esters better? Is it because they are intended for longer cycles? Because they lead to higher in vivo test levels?
To the OP, look at my bloodwork under Raws n More's section. Basically im doing what u are wanting to do but with 75mg ed injects.
The only one that is hazardous is you saying professional bodybuilders run prop only cycles yeah thats preety hazardous.Yeah right ban this dude. Ive done alot of research in 20 years ansd been using for 15 years and know not to tell a newbie to do a prop only cycle for 9 weeks as a first cycle.Read the title of the thread the newbie wanted to do. I can just bet the majority of these responces are fom teenagers or early 20's to mid 20's that dont know shit about cycling and how to do it correctly.But when they want to attack someone thats when they think they know it all. I'm in my mid 40's and know what is right and wrong and done that and been there so yeah I know what to do and what not to do.You and the others need to know what bodybuilding and using gear is all about.But I can also bet the majority in here just do it for fun or to look cool for the chicks.This isnt something to mess with gear can be harmful if not done right and needs to be explained in the right way. And thts what i'm doing. I know I have the expereince. So again for newbies a prop only first time cycle shouldnt be done.
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you gained 15lbs in 4 weeks from just prop your out of your mind theres a lot more fat gained then you think then and why the hell would you want the test to leave your system fast so you can get small again quick that is not the goal of using aas to have test leave your system fast you want to keep your gains as long as possible. Dude just go away no need for you to get involved
Honestly there is no poitn in even trying to get though to you.
You are just trolling for your links on your sig.
Seriously if you think people can not run prop because it is shit compared to another ester your 20 plus years of research has been for nothing.
If prop is shit then why does it sell so much?
I suppose your going to tell us all that Sustanon is shit too since it has short esters in it.
You are just trolling for your links on your sig.
Seriously if you think people can not run prop because it is shit compared to another ester your 20 plus years of research has been for nothing.
If prop is shit then why does it sell so much?
I suppose your going to tell us all that Sustanon is shit too since it has short esters in it.
Bull shit if you think i'm trolling I'm a rep for Ironmaglabs see the board rep under my name and do a damn good job and take care of 6 boards. And you and all the others are missing the point. Dont tell a newbie to use prop for 9 weeks for a first time cycle get that through your head.I never said not to run prop but run it with other compounds not alone especialy for a newbies first time. I vcant beleive you all are missing this easy point and to tell a newbie to use prop for a first cycle is absurd.
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A newbie should only use 1 compund! so they know how their body reacts with it.
And besides pinning ED or EOD what is the diff? Testosterone is testosterone no matter what the ester. Do you understand that?
As for you being an IM rep who cares? Anyone can be a rep for the right deal, so that holds no water in this.
I just think you are uneducated with understanding that there is no diff. Infact Prop is prob more strong in the fact that it is faster acting.
So now dazzle us with another 20 years experience as to why prop is shit for a newbie or for anyone who wants to run it alone Mr. IM Rep.
And besides pinning ED or EOD what is the diff? Testosterone is testosterone no matter what the ester. Do you understand that?
As for you being an IM rep who cares? Anyone can be a rep for the right deal, so that holds no water in this.
I just think you are uneducated with understanding that there is no diff. Infact Prop is prob more strong in the fact that it is faster acting.
So now dazzle us with another 20 years experience as to why prop is shit for a newbie or for anyone who wants to run it alone Mr. IM Rep.
lol agreed.
I initially noticed the board rep tag, so I gave patience, but I fail to believe a person in their 40s is that dense (mentally), and 15 years in the aas game and not a single shred of scientific or even anecdotal evidence to substantiate any claims.
Most replies, all bold and belittling.
Derailing and turning the thread to shit - Check.
Loss of credibility - Check.
Major disservice to IronMagLabs and those 3 websites
lol agreed.
I initially noticed the board rep tag, so I gave patience, but I fail to believe a person in their 40s is that dense (mentally), and 15 years in the aas game and not a single shred of scientific or even anecdotal evidence to substantiate any claims.
Most replies, all bold and belittling.
Derailing and turning the thread to shit - Check.
Loss of credibility - Check.
Major disservice to IronMagLabs and those 3 websites
Sure and this is coming from someone with no experience but now wants to jump on the keyboard cowboy bandwagon. Time for you all to grow up. Especialy from someone who doesnt know how to cycle.Like I said I have thick skin so keep bringing it.I bring alot to the table for ironmaglabs and for those who dont own websites or has 12 paying advertisers on just 1 of there websites talk is cheap. I do very well and proud to work with ironmaglabs and to own 3 websites.
you seem to be the only one who is as you say "yak yak yak".
Dude nobody cares if you own 3 sites or 100 sites. I own a few but nobody cares. Just because you own a site it does not mean a thing.
You say the newbie has no exp. You lack any ounce of credit with your bogus know all as to why prop is shit alone. Answer it or shut up already......And I think I speak for all on here when saying that.
So now your reply will either be 1. Proof as to why it is shit. 2. A lame 'your a keyboard clown Im done with this'. Or 3. Nothing and I really do hope it is number 3.
Dude nobody cares if you own 3 sites or 100 sites. I own a few but nobody cares. Just because you own a site it does not mean a thing.
You say the newbie has no exp. You lack any ounce of credit with your bogus know all as to why prop is shit alone. Answer it or shut up already......And I think I speak for all on here when saying that.
So now your reply will either be 1. Proof as to why it is shit. 2. A lame 'your a keyboard clown Im done with this'. Or 3. Nothing and I really do hope it is number 3.
This is not a show me your's I will show you mine.
My websites have nothing to do with bodybuilding. The fact was anyone can have someones banner links etc.
Uh yeah sure you did. I can not belive how thick you are, please if there is an ignore button on here someone tell me or FUZO please block me because I can not stand your posts.
My websites have nothing to do with bodybuilding. The fact was anyone can have someones banner links etc.
Uh yeah sure you did. I can not belive how thick you are, please if there is an ignore button on here someone tell me or FUZO please block me because I can not stand your posts.
This is how Immature you are to keep this going when I already explained myself about this post you should go read it again but like I said it went over your cowboy head. Leave this thread alone and be done with it.
LOL here is an idea you un educated imbecile. Dont bother talking to me because I do not care for your dumb so called knowledge.
Went and looked again...Nothing. You really do no know shit. And if you think 15 years of training and using gear is an actual valid reason behind your dribble, then you really are an idiot.
Went and looked again...Nothing. You really do no know shit. And if you think 15 years of training and using gear is an actual valid reason behind your dribble, then you really are an idiot.
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This must be the biggest pile of shit I've read through in a while. WTF is wrong with running test prop for 9 weeks?!?!
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In all due respect to FUZO I respect my elders and appreciate his feedback. What I think everyone is missing here is the thread started asked for advice . He was given advice from multiple people, but in the end it shall be up to him to do the further research in order to make a final decision. FUZO not doubting your beliefs, but test is test scientifically and a ester only allows for a slower release of the test. That said scientifically if he pinned ed 100mg he'd be at 581mg a week after the ester. Pretty big dose IMO for a first timer. Also scientifically if he pins cyp with it's looooonnnggg ester release only 2 times a week at 250mg his 500mg a week roughly turns out to be that of about 37.51mg a day or 250mg a week. So in respect <----- "that word again" scientifically one would make faaaarrr faaaarrrr more gains with prop IF ran for 12 weeks. Now If the boy is looking to fool people I'd say go with cyp gains will take longer to kick in and people won't notice he's doubled his size in a few weeks! N yes coming off fast and reinstating THE BOYS fast will result in kept gains research shows 75% gains kept with proper pct. With all the new peptides and ai s this has been a much more achievable task. Mostly though everyone needs to see that he asked for advice he got multiple answers but he must make the choice in HIS research to what he will run.
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