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This may be a dumb question, so I apologize in advance (but if it is dumb at least some of you will get a good laugh out of it). I have been wondering a lot recently about the source of carbs you eat. My body has a pretty low maitenance (around 2200-2300 when ACTIVE). This means that sadly my food intake always has to be watched and limited. I personally enjoy carbs from oatmeal, cereal, bread, ect (grains). But these seem to be more densely packed with calories. Would there be a negative effect on my body if I cut out all grain type sources of carbs? IE, could I just eat LOTS of vegetables and fruits instead of a small serving of oatmeal? I don't know much about GI content and how it effects your training, but recently I have just been wanting to eat more and more. I don't really care what it is, I just want food (especially late at night).

I was thinking that if I cut out all my grain type sources of carbs and stick strictly to veggies I would be able to theoretically consume more food (not more calories, just more visible food). Do you all think this would be an alright idea or am I totally missing something here?
 
I eat virtually NO grains at all. I have the same problem as you. There is nothing particularly optimal about grain in terms of nutrition.
The GI is actually an outdated concept.
You are not missing something at all.

I would recommend that you try to undereat a bit in the daytime so you can overeat a bit at night, since that's when you're the hungriest. I do the same thing, especially when dieting.
Got Built? » The “Do It Yourself” Diet - Comfort food for life.
 
I eat virtually NO grains at all. I have the same problem as you. There is nothing particularly optimal about grain in terms of nutrition.
The GI is actually an outdated concept.
You are not missing something at all.

I would recommend that you try to undereat a bit in the daytime so you can overeat a bit at night, since that's when you're the hungriest. I do the same thing, especially when dieting.
Got Built? » The ???Do It Yourself??? Diet - Comfort food for life.

Thanks for the info built! I think this will hopefully help me to control my hunger MUCH better. Do you mind me asking what kind of veggies/fruit you typically try to get in as carb sources?
It sucks being 6'0 tall weighing 188 Lbs and having a my maintenance only be around 2200 when I'm active. Im always trying to control food intake ha
 
Thanks for the info built! I think this will hopefully help me to control my hunger MUCH better. Do you mind me asking what kind of veggies/fruit you typically try to get in as carb sources?
It sucks being 6'0 tall weighing 188 Lbs and having a my maintenance only be around 2200 when I'm active. Im always trying to control food intake ha

Depends, what are you doing right now cutting or bulking? You can go either road, but on a cut I would avoid having too much fruit since it is full of fructose (simple carb) whereas oats are complex carbs.

I wouldn't be trying to get full on carbs anyway, that's a job for protein and fat.
 
I use rice, corn and potatoes for starchy carbs pre and or post workout. Oats unfortunately mess me up a bit too much, at least they have been recently.

My other meals are protein and fat with veggies and a little fruit.
 
Well right now I am trying to cut. However, to be honest, I pretty much always find myself cutting. When I start to bulk it might last 2 weeks before I start feeling fat and decide to cut, so I have never been a successful bulker. I have pretty decent muscle definition because I used to be overweight, which has caused me problems because when I was obese and cutting I found myself able to build some muscle while cutting. Now that I cannot do that anymore I am kind of at a loss ha, but I would prefer to just stay lean.

Are you saying that if I was going to have a bannana (I belive about 100 calories in a medium sized one) it would just be better to go ahead and eat 100 calories worth of oats? I have been told that you want fast carbs after lifting, but I have also been told this is a myth, so I don't really know what to belive.

Also built, do you think it would be healthy to stick to a diet where all of my carbs comes from nothing but green leafy veggies? Or is that a good way to be unhealthy? Where do veggies fall in the "complex carb" vs. "simple carb" argument?
 
Veggies are complex carbs, but it's how YOUR body reacts to those "simple carbs" or just carbs in general. People like myself do not respond well to carbs so we limit them to when we may actually need them (some say pre workout simple or complex carbs help their workouts, as well as post workout kick of a simple carb with protein).

I have cut as much carb intake out of my diet as possible, and have seen wonders because MY body does not respond well to carbs. Try different foods, see how your body reacts in terms of "when I eat this food I feel..."

Fats fill me up quicker and keep me from binge eating, which also helps cut calories from my total intake of food. I always combine my fats with lean protein.
 
Well right now I am trying to cut. However, to be honest, I pretty much always find myself cutting. When I start to bulk it might last 2 weeks before I start feeling fat and decide to cut, so I have never been a successful bulker. I have pretty decent muscle definition because I used to be overweight, which has caused me problems because when I was obese and cutting I found myself able to build some muscle while cutting. Now that I cannot do that anymore I am kind of at a loss ha, but I would prefer to just stay lean.

Believe me, I'm the same way. I pack on muscle fairly well for an old broad. Sadly, I pack on fat as well.
Are you saying that if I was going to have a banana (I belive about 100 calories in a medium sized one) it would just be better to go ahead and eat 100 calories worth of oats? .
I didn't say that.

I'd have the banana preworkout, and some starch post. Read below...
I have been told that you want fast carbs after lifting, but I have also been told this is a myth, so I don't really know what to believe.

Also built, do you think it would be healthy to stick to a diet where all of my carbs comes from nothing but green leafy veggies? .
You don't actually REQUIRE any dietary carbohydrate at all, so... yes.
Or is that a good way to be unhealthy? Where do veggies fall in the "complex carb" vs. "simple carb" argument?

Veggies are complex carbs, but it's how YOUR body reacts to those "simple carbs" or just carbs in general. People like myself do not respond well to carbs so we limit them to when we may actually need them (some say pre workout simple or complex carbs help their workouts, as well as post workout kick of a simple carb with protein).

I have cut as much carb intake out of my diet as possible, and have seen wonders because MY body does not respond well to carbs. Try different foods, see how your body reacts in terms of "when I eat this food I feel..."

Fats fill me up quicker and keep me from binge eating, which also helps cut calories from my total intake of food. I always combine my fats with lean protein.

Let's talk about the whole "complex" vs "simple" thing.

Not all simple carbs are bad, and not all complex carbs are good.

Not for every purpose.

The carbohydrate in fruit is sucrose, glucose and fructose - and a few others. Sucrose is itself glucose bonded to fructose, so it's technically complex.

A little fructose tagging along in a piece of fruit will not destroy you, okay? But don't drink juice - it's too easy to get in a LOT of it, which means you can really jack up your fructose consumption in a hurry. I don't feel like getting into the specifics of frucose right now but you can read up on it all over the net.

Glucose on the other hand, *can* be the good one. This is what you take with your creatine to spike insulin and drive it and other nutrients into your muscles.

Starchs are glucose polymers - so oats, rice (white OR brown, they both do this), flour, potatoes, sweet potatoes... all break down into glucose.

Vegetables have similar sugars as fruits, only in lower numbers.

When we talk about the beneficial complex carbs for strength-training, for the most part we mean the ones that break down into glucose, so for this purpose, when I refer to carbs I mean STARCHY carbs - and I've started to SAY starchy carbs in an effort to be clear.

Get these in for the periworkout (ie before and or after) window, for your lifting workouts.

Outside of refeeds and comfort, you really don't need any others, so get in your protein, your fats and your fibre (from veggies, nuts and some fruit) and don't worry about it, okay?
 
Veggies are complex carbs, but it's how YOUR body reacts to those "simple carbs" or just carbs in general. People like myself do not respond well to carbs so we limit them to when we may actually need them (some say pre workout simple or complex carbs help their workouts, as well as post workout kick of a simple carb with protein).

I have cut as much carb intake out of my diet as possible, and have seen wonders because MY body does not respond well to carbs. Try different foods, see how your body reacts in terms of "when I eat this food I feel..."

Fats fill me up quicker and keep me from binge eating, which also helps cut calories from my total intake of food. I always combine my fats with lean protein.


I have also noticed that my body doesn't react well to carbs, or at least they tend to make me more hungry instead of filling me up. I have noticed that the less carbs and fat I eat the leaner I look and feel. But I realize this is not good for energy levels and building muscle. So I feel like the situation is stacked against me because I want to maintain (and even improve) my lean look, but I do not want to lose muscle mass. Again, I guess I am just spoiled because to be honest I think training is a lot easier when you are overweight because you can honestly expect to build muscle and drop fat at the same time. Now that I can no longer do that I can never decide what exactly I want to do to my body
 
Believe me, I'm the same way. I pack on muscle fairly well for an old broad. Sadly, I pack on fat as well.
I didn't say that.

I'd have the banana preworkout, and some starch post. Read below...
You don't actually REQUIRE any dietary carbohydrate at all, so... yes.



Let's talk about the whole "complex" vs "simple" thing.

Not all simple carbs are bad, and not all complex carbs are good.

Not for every purpose.

The carbohydrate in fruit is sucrose, glucose and fructose - and a few others. Sucrose is itself glucose bonded to fructose, so it's technically complex.

A little fructose tagging along in a piece of fruit will not destroy you, okay? But don't drink juice - it's too easy to get in a LOT of it, which means you can really jack up your fructose consumption in a hurry. I don't feel like getting into the specifics of frucose right now but you can read up on it all over the net.

Glucose on the other hand, *can* be the good one. This is what you take with your creatine to spike insulin and drive it and other nutrients into your muscles.

Starchs are glucose polymers - so oats, rice (white OR brown, they both do this), flour, potatoes, sweet potatoes... all break down into glucose.

Vegetables have similar sugars as fruits, only in lower numbers.

When we talk about the beneficial complex carbs for strength-training, for the most part we mean the ones that break down into glucose, so for this purpose, when I refer to carbs I mean STARCHY carbs - and I've started to SAY starchy carbs in an effort to be clear.

Get these in for the periworkout (ie before and or after) window, for your lifting workouts.

Outside of refeeds and comfort, you really don't need any others, so get in your protein, your fats and your fibre (from veggies, nuts and some fruit) and don't worry about it, okay?


I made my last post before I saw this built. Thank you so much. You seem to be a fountain of knowledge. I am going to try and apply these principles to my diet and I will let you know how it is going! Thanks so much!
 
I began this journey on Atkins; me and carbs have an uneasy peace.

There are most certainly ways to take the best advantage of them, to be sure.

This is how I'm planning my cut this spring, if you want to have a peek.

Got Built? » Graduated fat loss plan - from bulk, to cut, to ripped

Wow built, that looks like an awesome cut. I always have a hard time deciding if I should consider myself lean enough to do a hardcore cut like that and become "ripped". I don't know if I should consider myself good enough to do a graduated fat loss program ha.

I am currently 6'0 188 Lbs. at 11% BF. Do you think with stats like that I should take a look at doing a cut like you are planning? I would love to get down to around 7% BF just to see if I can do it and how I look. I realize that would be pretty darn hard, but I feel like I would really enjoy my look if I was down there (though I doubt I could maintain it for too long).
 
See, the whole reason I said "graduated" is that fat loss happens differently depending on how lean you are. From where you are now, you could almost do UD2.0 like I intend to in the spring.
 
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