Haha. Yeah, that was me that posted it. Dude is a BJJ BB and had a broken foot during that "match."
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Haha. Yeah, that was me that posted it. Dude is a BJJ BB and had a broken foot during that "match."
And thats my experience with most fighters. everyone is happy to share there knowledge. It's when someone steps in the ring and runs their mouth or goes head hunting looking to build there ego, that they get smacked around a bit.
thing to remember there is always someone out there better than you, and we are all beginners at one time
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How's that 5/3/1 working out for you? Got a link to an informational page on it?
I'm a grappler by nature and I have a simple solution to those who come in and really throw bombs: a quick double-leg to side-mount. I just ride it out and throw strikes before setting up a submission.
We had a few kids about 17, 18 come in and think they were hot shit in their Tapout shirts. I think they came twice...
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Strangely, there are a lot of FOBBY Brasilian BJJ instuctors and practitioners in the gyms around Southern California and the more Brasilian dominant the gym, the quicker ego's will get checked when out of line.
However, the extra douchey MMA fighters tend to congregate around the same gym.
Brazilians are a very proud nation and they take their MMA very seriously. They're not always the most fun to be around and they're notoriously on "Brazilian time," but they know how to fight.
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lol, Brazilian time is about as bad as island time. My friend went to a BJJ gym with a Brazilian instructor that started at 6:00am-8:00am (as officially scheduled), but the class never started before 6:45pm-7:00pm and usually went on to 9-9:30pm.
We had a Maeda BB (the non-Gracie branch of the BJJ tree) come in for a weekly spot and he was awful about time. It was supposed to go from 7-8:30, but is was more like 8-9:30. I learned a lot from him, but it was a pain in the ass to deal with that kind of schedule and to train that late.
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Yeah those guys. I see you watch fights outside of UFC as well. However, I didnt tell you where id put them on my list. And YES, Id put Mousasi before Machida.
Pissing and moaning about a fighter that has no TD defense against a damn good wrestler but still fights like a motherfucker off his back is moot. Another point based win. We all saw how that fight went down and Lawal got his ass kicked while securing position.
But thats another can of worms I wont open up AGAIN since the arguments ensued without my input on Sherdog. The argument came from decision wins being overrated and I am still not convinced Machida is a top tier fighter because he found a dull way to win while standing. If you enjoy that as a fan, fine. If you win by decision as a fighter, great. But those of us whom have followed this from its birth will tell you that there are great decision wins and there are those that do just enough to win.
Did you think Tim Sylvia was a top tier when he jabbed his way to decision victories? Did you call Kos by his nickname, The Blanket, when he first 'graduated' from TUF?
A bullshit, overrated decision victory is a win to where you dont really have a winner, so youll give it to the person who didnt do the least. These decisions are not like those found in GSP, even as of late. I think Dan Hardy is a great fighter who just didnt give up. George had him in some tight sub attempts, so he tried to finish the fight. George beat Kos at his own game, which I think was good for Kos since hes found some KOs since. Hell, George even took the Decision game out of the all time sleep aid, Jon "Yawn" Fitch, out wrestled him and mangled his face up.
Look, I get it, you like Machida. I dont. Do you 'get' that?
How can you put Mousasi ahead of Machida? Mousasi's best win at LHW is against Babalu, who is not exactly a top fighter anymore. Machida on the other hand KO'd Rashad, a consensus top-3 LHW for the championship. Mousasi gassed out badly against Lawal and did enough off his back to steal a round in the 1st, but that was it.
There was a time, before AA III, that Sylvia was a killer. Granted, it was a different HW era in the UFC, but he was a great champion.
Seriously, don't question my knowledge on MMA. I've been following the sport for a long time in addition to being an active fighter. I'm not just another armchair analyst; I've been in there and know what it's like to go through the camps, the fights, and the backstage drama.
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I dont care if you went through God. I think Machida is overrated. What are you gonna do about it?
Ive always hated this mentality that you have to be something to know something. I dont know Michael Jackson, but I still past judgment when he was here. I dont know Michael Vick, but I am going to pass judgment. Yooure not Robin Williams, I am not Matt Damon, and this isnt Good Will Hunting.
I am stepping back and looking at Machidas wins as a whole and I have now seen him lose 3 times in a row due to his silly game plan. And guess what? I dont have to be in the ring with the guy to see it.
Its such a cop out rebuttal. For instance, I havent given you a top 10 list, yet here we are discussing/arguing. How could you do that without giving you a list huh? Because you didnt need it. I dont need to hear about your training unless I ask. Which is the exact reason why I dont reveal my background. I dont have to, yet I can still chime in on what I believe is bullshit claims.
Who has Mousasi beaten? Have you ever done MMA Math? You gotta know it doesnt really work right?
I am not going to change your opinion and you arent in mine.
Ive always hated this mentality that you have to be something to know something. I dont know Michael Jackson, but I still past judgment when he was here. I dont know Michael Vick, but I am going to pass judgment. Yooure not Robin Williams, I am not Matt Damon, and this isnt Good Will Hunting.
I am stepping back and looking at Machidas wins as a whole and I have now seen him lose 3 times in a row due to his silly game plan. And guess what? I dont have to be in the ring with the guy to see it.
Its such a cop out rebuttal. For instance, I havent given you a top 10 list, yet here we are discussing/arguing. How could you do that without giving you a list huh? Because you didnt need it. I dont need to hear about your training unless I ask. Which is the exact reason why I dont reveal my background. I dont have to, yet I can still chime in on what I believe is bullshit claims.
Who has Mousasi beaten? Have you ever done MMA Math? You gotta know it doesnt really work right?
I am not going to change your opinion and you arent in mine.
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So why waste your time arguing with one?
Since you begged the question then why don't you answer this: who has Mousasi beaten that warrants him status over a recent LHW champion in a much deeper organization? Soko, Babalu, O'Brien? Seriously, they're not top fighters anymore. I'd take Thiago Silva over any of them and he's not even a top-10 fighter.
At no point did I do MMA Math as I was comparing recent wins between two fighters. If I did MMA Math, then it would discredit anything I was trying to say (BTW, it can be done this way). Also, I never said your claim was irrelevant because you do not fight. If you took it that way, then that's your issue and not mine.
If you say Machida is overrated, then Rampage is even more overrated. His popularity is based on personality and past accomplishments, not his current wins (Wand, Jardine, Machida). So, beating a MW, a guy with 5 straight loses, and Machida, whom you claim is overrated, is a great acclaim? BTW, Rampage has 1 stoppage in his last 6 fights; Machida has 2.
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Why? Cuz he won 15 in a row and lost to a wrestler while still fighting in an non-dominant position. I dont buy into the whole "he fought cans" argument because I believe in statistics. I believe that he couldve or more to the point shouldve gotten caught in 1-2 of that streak, but he didnt. Plus, 2 of those wins were decisions. So not only does he win for longevity, he wins decisively without going to decision.
Lets see, what else..
Youre right, you didnt discredit me, but i wanted to put it out there from the get go that that line of bullshit wont work on this bullshit artist.
Rampage is overrated? By his past accomplishments? If not his past accomplishments, then what, his future ones? You have to look at his past. If we look at his present wins, the only one you got against me is the Jardine one. Jardine is a joke, but hes not that bad. Wandy however was one no one saw coming. Wandy beat Rampage bad TWICE, what chance did Rampage have? Well, he still pulled it off and it was by a KO. Not a decision, not a TKO, but by putting Wandy to sleep. Then, he won against Machida, so whatever rating Rampage has, as of right now, Id say its either legitimate or underrated.
Ok now lets discuss Rampage's last decision wins..
Machida, the king of decision wins (besides Fitch), fights Rampage and you wonder why it goes to decision?
Jardine, close friend of Rashad, ended up being decisions. I already told you you got me with Jardine, but to go the distance with both of these guys, winning and losing one each, goes to show how those 2 train to win anyway.
Forrest...ill give you that one too.
Dan is hard to beat cuz Rampage isnt someone who does subs and Dan has a chin of granite. This is almost a no brainer.
Weve already discussed Machida's path and how changing his game plan eventually cost him losses and scrutiny.
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Random question Akira. What was your dead lift before your herniation? I ask because your bench is rather close to your deads and that's not normal, so I presume you had a much greater DL number prior to your herniation.
My pre herniation dead was 495 for 2 and post herniation is 455 for 1. How long since the herniation?
At this point of Machida's career, I don't know that he's overrated or underrated. Pre-Shogun I felt Machida was overrated, because he was suppose to be unbeatable and I had my issues with that. I considered Lyoto an efficacious fighter and I still struggle with defining the line between a good fighter and an efficacious fighter (if there is a differene). For instance, I consider say John Fitch an efficacious fighter and I consider Cain a good fighter. The difference is a subjective speculation on the matter.
The reason I don't feel Machida is under or overrated at this point, is that he no longer carries that cloud of invincibility and I don't feel he's underrated because he's still recognized as a fighter that will beat you via frustrating evasion, which may lead to fatal errors made out of frustration and impatience, except I think there is an air of understanding at this point that if you prepare yourself to be frustrated and keep your cool, you may buffer that part of Machida's gameplan. That said, Rampage was the first fighter I've seen quasi-execute this strategy of keeping your cool in the face of aggregious back peddling and coming out successful.
As for Rampage. I don't see him winning the belt back, but that's about all I have to say. I certainly feel his personality precedes his talent, but that's not as much of a knock on his talent as it is a statement of how colorful and charismatic he is. I do wish he'd mix it up a bit and if he does end up fighting Lil Nog, I'm prediciting it'll look something along the lines of BJ Penn/Edgar I, basically a boxing match. Apart from acknoweldging Lil Nog's touted superior boxing technique, I'd give that fight to Rampage. The more one dimensional a fighter is willing to fight, the more it leans in Rampage's favor, imho and Lil Nog's UFC fights have been very boxing focused.
My pre herniation dead was 495 for 2 and post herniation is 455 for 1. How long since the herniation?
At this point of Machida's career, I don't know that he's overrated or underrated. Pre-Shogun I felt Machida was overrated, because he was suppose to be unbeatable and I had my issues with that. I considered Lyoto an efficacious fighter and I still struggle with defining the line between a good fighter and an efficacious fighter (if there is a differene). For instance, I consider say John Fitch an efficacious fighter and I consider Cain a good fighter. The difference is a subjective speculation on the matter.
The reason I don't feel Machida is under or overrated at this point, is that he no longer carries that cloud of invincibility and I don't feel he's underrated because he's still recognized as a fighter that will beat you via frustrating evasion, which may lead to fatal errors made out of frustration and impatience, except I think there is an air of understanding at this point that if you prepare yourself to be frustrated and keep your cool, you may buffer that part of Machida's gameplan. That said, Rampage was the first fighter I've seen quasi-execute this strategy of keeping your cool in the face of aggregious back peddling and coming out successful.
As for Rampage. I don't see him winning the belt back, but that's about all I have to say. I certainly feel his personality precedes his talent, but that's not as much of a knock on his talent as it is a statement of how colorful and charismatic he is. I do wish he'd mix it up a bit and if he does end up fighting Lil Nog, I'm prediciting it'll look something along the lines of BJ Penn/Edgar I, basically a boxing match. Apart from acknoweldging Lil Nog's touted superior boxing technique, I'd give that fight to Rampage. The more one dimensional a fighter is willing to fight, the more it leans in Rampage's favor, imho and Lil Nog's UFC fights have been very boxing focused.
California will test scoring changes in amateur MMA bouts in 2011 - ESPN
Would this change to a scoring system effected the decision you think? i want a more clear cut definition of how to win the round, but i'm not sure this is it. it seems to make things even worse in my mind
Would this change to a scoring system effected the decision you think? i want a more clear cut definition of how to win the round, but i'm not sure this is it. it seems to make things even worse in my mind
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MMA judging is about as definitive as pro bodybuilding judging. There are some foundational major guidlines, but the interpretaion of its execution is rampent with subjectivity.
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Thats something Ive been pissing and moaning about since god knows when. Rampage needs to learn or utilize more in his fights. I did get all giddy when I thought hed slam Machida like he used to, but Machida is a master of avoidance. I think now would be the time to start with kicks cuz it would be so out of his ordinary. Kind of like when Chuck took down Silva.
Machida and his "elusiveness" never, EVER impressed me. Id be more impressed if he stayed in the pocket and dodged shit like Ali and, well, Anderson did. I think you hit the nail on the head about Machida taking advantage of fighters becoming frustrated and making errors. Perhaps thats what he capitalizes on most.
Either way, he bores me most of the time. Id actually like him to lose and gain an underdog status in order for me to like him.
The half-point rounds by themselves will greatly change many outcomes and I've been screaming for it for years now. It's great to see the AC finally listening to modern judges and refs.
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Yeah, Rogan was going nuts about how Rampage should mix it up and he should. Allegedly, he has some powerful leg kicks, but the leg kicks he displayed lacked an offensive amount of technique. He throws kicks like a lot of pure wrestlers, all from the quad, none from the hips. I don't know that Rampage will ever legitimately utilize his legs. However, he could utilize his TD's a little bit for some GnP, TD/top control scoring and mental warfare to keep his opponent guessing.
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