Reason for being "natural"?

[bjg]

^^^^ my father is 83 and looks better than arnold today....arnold has a fucked up heart and a fucked up liver.and had surgeries on both heart and liver ..so yeah it is safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was just watching a documentary on a french channel with Dr. jean pierre de mondenard one of the most eminent figures in doping and performance enhancing drugs, if you understand french you can see that steroids are really safe yeah? when asked about what other sport besides bodybuilding steroid usage is very common he answered and i quote him (translate): american football because steroids are thought to help in such a sport..then he adds: but the average life expectancy of an american football player was 48 years old and now not more than 55 years old!! so yes you can say steroids are really healthy....i think you should be put in jail for pinning your own son.

oh i forgot dr. de montenard is an idiot he just happens to have more than 40 books on sports medicine including 13 books on performance enhancing drugs.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

Arnold had a genetic defect that was repaired...his mother died of the same thing at a very old age...untreated...you have no idea what you are saying...

 

[bjg]

yes sure genetic defect in both heart and liver...and steroids help him live longer...dude wake up:
Bodybuilding + steroids = heart failure, coronary arteries failure to say the least.....in the documentary i mentioned above this is well explained by dr . de mondenard and there was a 34 years old pro bodybuilder confessing that his open heart surgery and damaged arteries were due to his steroid usage and he only did it for 5 years

 

[bjg]

the human body is not designed to carry all the extra muscles gained by steroids and is not designed to lift heavier weights than intended...there is no cheating nature...you win some you lose some.

 

[XYZ]

^^^^ my father is 83 and looks better than arnold today....arnold has a fucked up heart and a fucked up liver.and had surgeries on both heart and liver ..so yeah it is safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was just watching a documentary on a french channel with Dr. jean pierre de mondenard one of the most eminent figures in doping and performance enhancing drugs, if you understand french you can see that steroids are really safe yeah? when asked about what other sport besides bodybuilding steroid usage is very common he answered and i quote him (translate): american football because steroids are thought to help in such a sport..then he adds: but the average life expectancy of an american football player was 48 years old and now not more than 55 years old!! so yes you can say steroids are really healthy....i think you should be put in jail for pinning your own son.

oh i forgot dr. de montenard is an idiot he just happens to have more than 40 books on sports medicine including 13 books on performance enhancing drugs.

LMFAO.......You really have NO clue. So, you mean to tell me that concussions, injuries and the consistent impact on every snap of every game has NOTHING to do with them dying at a very young age? Hmmmmmm........It HAS to be STEROIDS and only STEROIDS.

You are SO full of yourself and have NO idea what you're talking about.

 

[XYZ]

XYZ i have presented MANY REAL medical articles if you go the the steroid section you can look them up.....+ the internet is full of "open to public articles" that re in most cases just bullshit...i am a professor and i write articles and i know about publishing articles.
that said, now i do not insult AAS users and i am not trying to make myself superior not at all...most of my gym friends are AAS users....you are right it is a choice...
my point of view is my opinion and it is a TRUE FACT that AAS is pretty bad for you...i just disagree with some people who use AAS and deny the fact that it is not good for them by looking up some stupid articles.......a true AAS user do not have to deny the truth...and should admit that he is taking a big risk in the long run. + Since when Bodybuilding = steroids...i think steroids ruined the whole essence of bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is all about discipline and dedication with ethics it is not a " search for the quickest way to build muscle". Bodybuilding is a quest for bettering yourself, and self accomplishment ..it is not to show off in front of women .. with steroids you will surely build bigger muscles but it will be cheating on yourself and MOST IMPORTANTLY for the wrong reasons.
So i think i don't only disagree with many on this forum about the MEANS but basically we disagree on the most basic question: "Why bodybuilding and why i am doing it"

finally i am arguing against AAS in the natural bodybuilding and teenager section and this is for a reason: trying to convince new comers to this sport not to make mistakes because i genuinely feel sorry for many young guys in the gym and i feel it is a responsibility for me to put them on the right track. How many of you will allow his own son to go ahead and take steroids??????????

Please post several of your articles professor, I think I need an education. I will be waiting.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

ive never once read about Arnold having liver issues....and ive read everything I could get my hands on....take stallone...65...more ripped than ever and caught with gh and test....Arnold is off the sauce and looks much older physically than stallone....bj you have no exp and your biased prevents you from learning anything...you are a typical old dog...im sad for you....but welcome any proof that you have accomplished anything physically so you might have some credibility

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

freeman....46

 

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43

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

6o fukin 6

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

50

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

competed against the best into his 60s

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

^^^^ my father is 83 and looks better than arnold today....arnold has a fucked up heart and a fucked up liver.and had surgeries on both heart and liver ..so yeah it is safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was just watching a documentary on a french channel with Dr. jean pierre de mondenard one of the most eminent figures in doping and performance enhancing drugs, if you understand french you can see that steroids are really safe yeah? when asked about what other sport besides bodybuilding steroid usage is very common he answered and i quote him (translate): american football because steroids are thought to help in such a sport..then he adds: but the average life expectancy of an american football player was 48 years old and now not more than 55 years old!! so yes you can say steroids are really healthy....i think you should be put in jail for pinning your own son.

oh i forgot dr. de montenard is an idiot he just happens to have more than 40 books on sports medicine including 13 books on performance enhancing drugs.

pics of your 83 year old father looking better than Arnold...pics of anything...proof of anything

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

not bad at all for a more than likely natty who has been governor...had open heart surgery...had a broken leg from skiing....motorcycle crash...business man...real estate...charity....drinker...smoker...leading actor...show promoter...organizer of the biggest competition on the face of the planet....more athletes than the olympics....etc...etc..

 

[bjg]

arnold is not that old and he looks like shit for his age ....sylvester stallone looks weird and deformed especially his face....my father at 83 has much better skin than him....all the other bodybuilders who are over 40 are still on AAS and these are some of the few to live long enough ..wait until they stop the juice and we will see how they will look...i am 51 and can do 30 complete pull ups and more than 100 push ups and can still do whatever i used to do when i was 25 no difference at all not even in looks.
in short you can think what you want and take all the steroids you want. you have your opinion and i have mine.

XYZ: as for my articles they are not open to public since they are in the IEEE magazine under the biomedical section and they are very scientific in nature and they are mostly about signal processing of the ECG and mapping of the heart. but if you are interested to check i'll be happy to find one of the available articles on the internet in the IEEE journals and message it to you.
as for me to prove anything ..i think i passed this level long time ago.
and my advice about bodybuilding supplements and steroids are not to piss anybody off they are genuine with a very good intention so please do not try to change that fact.

 

[bjg]

and XYZ i forgot to tell you : many sports if not all have their share of injuries....the human body can easily heal such injuries unless it is a brain injury for example which is very rare in football. sports injuries heal and have no effect on health and life expectancy at all at least not to lower average life expectancy by 30 years!!!!

 

[HFO3]

steroids = cheating
steroids= stupidity
steroids= lack of self confidence
steroids= health hazards
steroids= ignorance
steroids= psychological disorder


today's pro bodybuilding is not a sport it is a shame to sport and the judges at pro competitions should be hanged especially when it comes to women bodybuilding

the only bodybuilding is the natural way and true results come from hard work and dedication and intelligent workout and diet.

Why all the hatred and condescension directed to users of AAS? Do you believe you are superior to the members here because of your choice to not use?

I agree, It's a choice everyone gets to make, to each his own. Trying to force feed his opinions through negative connotations of gloom, doom and all out inferiority comparison to the non AAS person is as ridiculous as some of his opinions on the subject. Whatever...

His argument became void immediately upon reading his emotionally distraught posts. Even if he stumbled across any potentially valid points he used such poor communication skills you can't take him seriously. He is just

arnold is not that old and he looks like shit for his age ....sylvester stallone looks weird and deformed especially his face....my father at 83 has much better skin than him....all the other bodybuilders who are over 40 are still on AAS and these are some of the few to live long enough ..wait until they stop the juice and we will see how they will look...i am 51 and can do 30 complete pull ups and more than 100 push ups and can still do whatever i used to do when i was 25 no difference at all not even in looks.
in short you can think what you want and take all the steroids you want. you have your opinion and i have mine.

Stallone has plastic surgery, which has clearly changed his face.
great for your pops!
good for you with Paul ups and push-ups
you look the same as you did at 25 and your 50? C'mon man, you see your self through ros? colored glasses or what?
finally! Yes you have your OPINIONS, not facts, out of the horses mouth as they say.

 

[jusvicious]

I said show me bodies u tell of a study that ave death of football players is 58 and since steriods would help football players steriods must be the cause!! Ahh fuzzy math professor!! Did u just say there's very little head injuries in football? Troy Akman had 10 concussions in 12 years. Steve young retired cause of concussions he had 7. Those are only 2 players and those are diagnosed concussions. They probably had more. U try to make the numbers say what u want them to say. U know nothing. As far as my son, he's not 12!! He's a man, he knows I know a lot about cycles and feels comfortable enough to ask me for help. I feel I'm a good dad, he loves me and respects me enough to want to do it right. I told him there's sides I explained the game to him. He wanted to do a cycle so I help. It's better than him ordering a bunch of deca cause he reads that a baseball player was doing it. Without knowing just shooting a ton of deca alone and random times a week. Steriods can really screw u up if u don't read and do a ton of homework. No one denies that. But last I checked liquor is legal and my dad had cirrhosis of the liver. Abuse and ignorance can harm everyone doing anything. Not just steriods

 

[jusvicious]

Brain injuries are rare in football!!! Lmao!!! We're not talking about soccer u know. All the talk is blow to the head, don't lead with your head. Nfl literally is talking about doing away with kickoffs cause of the injury factor especially head injury!!! Played 7 years coached 6 years and Saints season ticket holder forever!!!! Please don't bring up football. That's the only thing outside family I know and love more than steriods!!! Just stop it!!!!!

 

[XYZ]

arnold is not that old and he looks like shit for his age ....sylvester stallone looks weird and deformed especially his face....my father at 83 has much better skin than him....all the other bodybuilders who are over 40 are still on AAS and these are some of the few to live long enough ..wait until they stop the juice and we will see how they will look...i am 51 and can do 30 complete pull ups and more than 100 push ups and can still do whatever i used to do when i was 25 no difference at all not even in looks.
in short you can think what you want and take all the steroids you want. you have your opinion and i have mine.

XYZ: as for my articles they are not open to public since they are in the IEEE magazine under the biomedical section and they are very scientific in nature and they are mostly about signal processing of the ECG and mapping of the heart. but if you are interested to check i'll be happy to find one of the available articles on the internet in the IEEE journals and message it to you.
as for me to prove anything ..i think i passed this level long time ago.
and my advice about bodybuilding supplements and steroids are not to piss anybody off they are genuine with a very good intention so please do not try to change that fact.

That sounds like a load of BS to me, so I'll just chalk it up to you lying.

 

[XYZ]

and XYZ i forgot to tell you : many sports if not all have their share of injuries....the human body can easily heal such injuries unless it is a brain injury for example which is very rare in football. sports injuries heal and have no effect on health and life expectancy at all at least not to lower average life expectancy by 30 years!!!!

You HAVE to be the most ignorant person that has ever lived. First you stated that steriods are making the NFL players die young but now you're saying that it's the brain injuries? Which is it? Get your lies straight.

You have absolutely no idea about AAS and their long term effects. NOBODY has done a long term study on this and for you to say otherwise is total BS. Please post ALL or ANY of the studies you found or STFU because your opinon that is not backed by ANY type of medical study is just that and opinion and not a fact.

 

[LCSULLA]

The only problem I have with guys doing gear is the ones stats the read:

27
5'10
173
17% BF
And 7 cycle??!!!

I mean really? You need to learn how to train and eat. And stop shoving gear into your ass.

 

[HFO3]

in short you can think what you want and take all the steroids you want. you have your opinion and i have mine.

because your opinon that is not backed by ANY type of medical study is just that and opinion and not a fact.

XYZ, that is a great post! Read his (bjg's) own words in red print post#285. He knows he is stating opinions, but for whatever reason he is persistent on arguing them as facts.

bjg, if you wan to be a humanitarian, there are many ways to spend your time accomplishing that, e.g. go to an old folks home and help some people who actually need help.

It doesn't appear you're accomplishing much of anything, maybe you have some weird vendetta or just enjoy arguing, I'm not sure about that. But I am pretty sure, your fear mongering tactics aren't helping your cause of "steroid awareness"

 

[westb51]

the human body can easily heal such injuries unless it is a brain injury for example which is very rare in football.

yes, concussions are very rare in football. you, sir, are a highly regarded professor

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

arnold is not that old and he looks like shit for his age ....sylvester stallone looks weird and deformed especially his face....my father at 83 has much better skin than him....all the other bodybuilders who are over 40 are still on AAS and these are some of the few to live long enough ..wait until they stop the juice and we will see how they will look...i am 51 and can do 30 complete pull ups and more than 100 push ups and can still do whatever i used to do when i was 25 no difference at all not even in looks.
in short you can think what you want and take all the steroids you want. you have your opinion and i have mine.

XYZ: as for my articles they are not open to public since they are in the IEEE magazine under the biomedical section and they are very scientific in nature and they are mostly about signal processing of the ECG and mapping of the heart. but if you are interested to check i'll be happy to find one of the available articles on the internet in the IEEE journals and message it to you.
as for me to prove anything ..i think i passed this level long time ago.
and my advice about bodybuilding supplements and steroids are not to piss anybody off they are genuine with a very good intention so please do not try to change that fact.

haha...your an idiot....stallone is deformed....forceps on his head in the womb....my god you really don't know shit do you......please post proof of any of the claims you have made

 

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the best woman bber of all time...

over 50plus...sure your wife looks better lol

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

around 50....you look better than her too son?