Reason for being "natural"?

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

I have a soft spot for steroids...i was so overweight...seemed like my body just wouldnt respond...i had lifted my whole life off and on...but had a depressed period...and metabolic syndrome had sat in....nothing would change even when i was busting my ass...started cheating...lost 76 pounds...gained muscle...got my life back....

 

[Intense]

Killerofsaints: for me i do not wish to argue i am just giving my opinion, you don't have to agree, but as for me iam very convinced of the following points:
1- steroids are dangerous and are not needed for bodybuilding
2- steroids ruined the sport of bodybuilding and any other sport because it is neither ethical nor healthy and it is cheating yourself.
3-i believe that with hard work and dedication one can achieve a better physique than with steroids but it takes time..not bigger but nicer, healthier, and lasts much longer.
4-steroids should only be taken for medical reasons
5- this is for pros only: if one insists on taking them he should be under tight medical supervision and under medical advice

So much fail in this post, Im not even going to go into each one.




Medical supervision? Brainwashed idiot, if you would trust a doctor with your hormones I feel sorry for you.

 

[Curt James]

So much fail in this post, Im not even going to go into each one.




Medical supervision? Brainwashed idiot, if you would trust a doctor with your hormones I feel sorry for you.

At least he offered this caveat...

Killerofsaints: for me i do not wish to argue i am just giving my opinion, you don't have to agree, but as for me iam very convinced of the following points:
1- steroids are dangerous and are not needed for bodybuilding
2- steroids ruined the sport of bodybuilding and any other sport because it is neither ethical nor healthy and it is cheating yourself.
3-i believe that with hard work and dedication one can achieve a better physique than with steroids but it takes time..not bigger but nicer, healthier, and lasts much longer.
4-steroids should only be taken for medical reasons
5- this is for pros only: if one insists on taking them he should be under tight medical supervision and under medical advice

 

[bjg]

So much fail in this post, Im not even going to go into each one.




Medical supervision? Brainwashed idiot, if you would trust a doctor with your hormones I feel sorry for you.

who should i trust with my hormones? some retard over the internet ????????????
i wonder who is the idiot

 

[Intense]

who should i trust with my hormones? some retard over the internet ????????????
i wonder who is the idiot

Well I was referring to yourself(as in research for YOURSELF). So technically the idiot is....

 

[Z499]

I have a soft spot for steroids...i was so overweight...seemed like my body just wouldnt respond...i had lifted my whole life off and on...but had a depressed period...and metabolic syndrome had sat in....nothing would change even when i was busting my ass...started cheating...lost 76 pounds...gained muscle...got my life back....

+1

 

[XYZ]

I totally agree with you. Steroids are too dangerous for the human health in a long term so people have to try increase muscles mass through natural ways like exercises and some healthy food.

Please post up one study that states this. If you can't kindly STFU! Thank you.

 

[bjg]

^^^^^^ instead of insulting people, do your own search XYZ nobody is your secretary you do your own search and you will find hundreds of articles.
or go to the anabolic zone and you will see many MEDICAL articles that i have posted long time ago. The reason i don't go there anymore because i do not see any decent person to argue with.

 

[XYZ]

^^^^^^ instead of insulting people, do your own search XYZ nobody is your secretary you do your own search and you will find hundreds of articles.
or go to the anabolic zone and you will see many MEDICAL articles that i have posted long time ago. The reason i don't go there anymore because i do not see any decent person to argue with.

That is the problem, you don't listen or prove anything, you're just here to argue PERIOD. Your opinions are yours and that's fine but the way you push them on others is complete BS.

I have yet to see ANY long term study done on AAS use. You have never posted one. You telling me to do my own research is laughable as you have yet to produce a single study with ANY type of long term AAS use. You speak of opinion not facts.

If I come off as attacking in this thread it's because you have yet to have a discussion, it's your way or no way and it's based upon your opinion, not fact.

Until you start posting up facts from medical research, kindly STFU. Thank you.

 

[bjg]

^^^posting facts is very easy but it is useless with brainless people like you so i guess you can shut the fuck up and if you were closer it would have been my pleasure to shut you up myself...or i tell you what ..you are not worth it

 

[charred99]

I believe the term "Natural" is quite vague to say the least. Would you say, Whey Protein, although derivedfrom Dairy, is natural, being made in a lab? Same for Creatine, Pre W/O etc

I honestly think roids get a bad rap due to misunderstanding/ignorance for the accusing party. I am contemplating my first cycle, and have dozens of hours of research on many tyoes of AAS just to satisfy my own curiosity.

All comes down to personal preference. I have respect for all gym goers, natural or not.

 

[Booby]

Ive been a competitor all my life wrestling then MMA and i am natty always have been...I preffered to compete that way and took great pride in it even though many of my opponents were using performance enhancing drugs...With that being said i have no problem with people using gear and im planning my first cycle now at 44 years of age.

 

[theCaptn']

I believe the term "Natural" is quite vague to say the least. Would you say, Whey Protein, although derivedfrom Dairy, is natural, being made in a lab? Same for Creatine, Pre W/O etc

I honestly think roids get a bad rap due to misunderstanding/ignorance for the accusing party. I am contemplating my first cycle, and have dozens of hours of research on many tyoes of AAS just to satisfy my own curiosity.

All comes down to personal preference. I have respect for all gym goers, natural or not.

Good post but I think you're splitting hairs on the 1st point.

 

[Dr.G]

Ive been a competitor all my life wrestling then MMA and i am natty always have been...I preffered to compete that way and took great pride in it even though many of my opponents were using performance enhancing drugs...With that being said i have no problem with people using gear and im planning my first cycle now at 44 years of age.

competing in MMA or wrestling requires skills that are not provided by steroids. as you know it requires technique and lots of endurance agility and speed and also brains. steroids will not help much.

 

[Dr.G]

a healthy diet can give you all the supplements you need without any artificial ingredients. that is the way to go. it is not easy but it is the best healthiest way. bodybuilding is not an easy sports and an easy lifestyle, it requires lots of sacrifice and efforts. today people tend to use supplements and even steroids because it makes things easier...in reality and in the long run this is not true

 

[westb51]

a healthy diet can give you all the supplements you need without any artificial ingredients. that is the way to go. it is not easy but it is the best healthiest way. bodybuilding is not an easy sports and an easy lifestyle, it requires lots of sacrifice and efforts. today people tend to use supplements and even steroids because it makes things easier...in reality and in the long run this is not true

U telling me that my body can tell the difference between synthetic vitamin C and vitamin C I get from OJ?

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[Dr.G]

^^^ sure if you want to use vitamins in the long run it is better if it does not contain any artificial ingredients..there are natural vitamin supplements that you can buy from a pharmacy. but still too much of a vitamin is not that good some vitamins and minerals can become toxic.

 

[dave 236]

Yes. A, D, E, and, K. They are fat soluble. Vit C is water soluble. Too much = expensive urine.

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[westb51]

^^^ sure if you want to use vitamins in the long run it is better if it does not contain any artificial ingredients..there are natural vitamin supplements that you can buy from a pharmacy. but still too much of a vitamin is not that good some vitamins and minerals can become toxic.

The correct answer is your body cannot tell the difference between synthetic vitamins and natural occurring ones

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[Dr.G]

^^^synthetic vitamins contain products that can accumulate in kidney and liver. why use artificial ingredients while you can have natural ones??

 

[PirateMonster]

^^^posting facts is very easy but it is useless with brainless people like you so i guess you can shut the fuck up and if you were closer it would have been my pleasure to shut you up myself...or i tell you what ..you are not worth it

Dude, the trolling really isn't funny anymore. All this anti-steroid talk on a ?bodybuilding? forum gets old very quickly.

If I were a moderator I'd have banned you a long time ago...you're lucky that they're being so tolerant of your degenerate bullsht

 

[Dr.G]

^^ just to be fair i am not defending the guy but it is a Natural bodybuilding section here and it is normal that someone would talk against steroids...i am against steroids use myself and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[fit26]

Be mindful of your workout and nutrition and use calorie portioning diet. This diet plan kick ass every time for me. I have seen picture of people who use those stuffs on this forum, and I am not impressed.

 

[justhav2p]

Steroids make your dick small

 

[anabolicinsider]

Steroids do not make your dick small... Side note... If u don't want to use them. That's awesome. Respect . But don't sling thongs that aren't true.

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[XYZ]

Steroids do not make your dick small... Side note... If u don't want to use them. That's awesome. Respect . But don't sling thongs that aren't true.

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I think he was just kidding.

 

[anabolicinsider]

Most likely. Ps, I didn't mean to write.thongs lol

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[BP2000]

It's true that steriods are not "Healthy". If that were true we would all take steroids. Steroids defined as cycles such as 5 or 10 times the amount of hormone a body produces. Couple that with the bodybuilding lifestyle which places lots of stress on the body and you get injuries. Joints and ligaments that are stressed beyond what they can handle. Do that for YEARS and yes it adds up. Just ask some guys around here.

They are not dangerous in that you can take a cycle and be ok but long term effects, even though there are no long term studies - you can find this by talking to guys who have used them for years and get their opionion and you come up with injuries, life long TRT, and some other undesirable effects. 99% of steroid user take them for vanity - to look good, be huge, or lift heavier weights. They don't take them because they want to be healhier. If they did they would only take 200mg per week and not 500 or a gram. Not saying anything wrong with that just saying they are not dangerous directly nor or they healthy in the long term. This is true when you use them correctly.

They ARE dangerous when used improperly. This is true ESPECIALLY with young un-educated males; for example - You could get gyno if not using an AI and you are sensitive to estrogen. You could be looking at shelling out $7,000 for corrective sugury. I know some guys who only took Pro Hormones who shut down their natural Test production and had side effects even after a PCT. low energy, low sex drive and depressed mood. I know one guy who took a cycle of Test (did everything right) and had a bad reaction which caused pigmentation on his entire back. His doctor said that can happen to guys who have bad acne. There are many more examples if you hang out in the TRT section you read them all the time. Being young and having low test could cost you in earning potential at your job, your relationships, etc. so something else to think about.

 

[justhav2p]

Steroids arent healthy?

Why are they prescribed to men wiyh low T?

Why are they given to burned patients?

Why are they prescribed for an assortment of illnesses?

 

[BP2000]

Steroids arent healthy?

Why are they prescribed to men wiyh low T?

Why are they given to burned patients?

Why are they prescribed for an assortment of illnesses?

Did you read what I wrote? Quote "steriods are defined as taking 5 or 10 times the amount of hormone a male body produces"

So tech. a replacement dose of T (or slightly higher) does not qualify as Steroid usage and I agree can provide benefits (give more energy, help with sex drive, increase cognition, help with muscle repair, etc.) to a male who is low on T.

Recent studies have shown that old men who have low T are more prone to heart attacks than men who had higher T.

But we are not talking about replacement dose of T we are talking about Steroid cycles and young men taking them. It is true that older men can benefit from taking T and be healthier than with low T but a young male with normal T will not improve his health from taking large doses of hormones - I would argue he would lessen his health by doing this. Lipids usually on cycle are out of whack, high BP, higher chance of MPB (to those who are prone) and recovery of natural T after a cycle are all risk factors. And other factors I mentioned like reactions to large doses of T. I don't know anyone who would argue that taking large cycles of Steroids improves health?