• Hello, this board in now turned off and no new posting.
    Please REGISTER at Anabolic Steroid Forums, and become a member of our NEW community!
  • Check Out IronMag Labs® KSM-66 Max - Recovery and Anabolic Growth Complex

Remembering Erik

Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
Brandon hit Erik so hard in the face that it cracked the baseball bat. The Brandon I know would NEVER have done that. That's evil. It's malicious. I don't know what I wanted for them, but a free pass was definately NOT it. They didn't even get a slap on the hands. No reprimands, nothing. Just (maybe) a lifetime of guilt, which for Brandon at least, I highly doubt will happen.
Allan was the lesser of the two evils. He half-assed hit Erik with his flashlight, Brandon beat him three times with the bat, in the neck, head, and shoulder. So no, I don't know Brandon. Not at all. But I WILL be talking with him. Very, very soon. He has some questions to answer, even if I have to corner him at his workplace.
 
Your going to have to let this go Melissa. Dont go looking for answers when there are none, and there never is when theres a senseless death of a person thru violence. If no charges were brought against this guy its because the prosecutors either believed no crime was commited or there isnt enough evidence to charge and convict. "I assumed they interviewed you as well"?

I also assume your posting all this because you also want input from other people. I think it would be a good thing for you to E-mail the moderators and ask them to delete this thread and all of Eriks still on the server. Not today, and maybe you want to talk it over with your therapist first, But your going to have to let it go. It sounds like he loved you too, believe me, he'd want you to let it go.

There have been many times Ive had to speak to parents and loved ones after their kid or family has been killed. Sometimes from car accidents, occasionaly from other accidents, and to many times from homocide. Figuring I always owed them the truth I normally say the same thing to them, "Im sorry and I wish I had the words to bring you comfort","but I dont". Im saying the same to you now, and Im also saying your going to have to let yourself heal from it. The only answers your going to get that make any sense will maybe come from sitting in a church. Chasing around people who were involved will get you none, people often become animals when their high or drinking.

Nobody knows what Gods plan is Melissa. Brandon and Allen are still going to have a trial one day, and there arent going to be any slick lawyers around for that one. For now tho your going to have to take care of yourself and not worry about them..................just think awhile about what Im telling you here today and take care of yourself...................Rich
 
No, they never interviewed me.
 
Melissa, be calm.
Jim
 
I just spoke with Brandon. People keep asking me why I'm doing this, why I don't just let it go. I don't know what I'm supposed to say, other than I know myself, and I know what's best for me. And I was right. After talking with Brandon I feel better. I can finally put that aspect of that night behind me. I have questions that are so very important to me that the side effects are worth the answers. So maybe I'll hear something that I won't like. Nothing could or will be worse than Erik's death. So, I'm covered.
For the first time, I think anyway, I feel hopeful, truly hopeful, no show or song and dance. But honest and pure hope for tomorrow. Regardless, I've proven that I can take care of myself. Afterall, I'm still alive, aren't I? I'm not doing so bad.
 
adrien_j9 said:
No, they never interviewed me.

They never interviewed a witness to a violent death and possible homicide?????????? Then you have a legitimate complaint. If you saw something that doesn't jibe with the official version then without question gnaw on it like a dog with an old bone. Hire a lawyer, write congressman,senators,prosecutors,newspapers, and crawl up their asses so far they smell your hair spray.

But be prepared for hard questions, investigators digging into your past, Eriks past, and be prepared for the making of enemies that will last a lifetime. Personally, if it was me and I saw an injustice in the investigation of a friends murder? I'll look the devil in the eye and tell him to get fucked. I'm 47yo, have peaked in my profession, and don't much give a damn.

But you have to weigh it. You have to weigh what you saw that night; you have to weigh how high you were; you have to weigh what Eriks actions were. But frankly for the Police to have not interviewed a material witness is inexcusable. What we do is immediately separate everyone, dont allow them to talk to each other, and conduct separate interviews with each witness. We will often fill a Public Bus with witnesses, station an officer on the bus, and enforce the no talk order. And we have every right to detain a witness as long as we need to, even to charge them with interfering with an investigation if they do not answer questions. A dead body on the street is a serious thing. Even then you get many conflicting accounts of the incident. Most of all when people have been drinking, were high, or have a personal relationship with either offender or victim.

Theres a ton I don't know about this. And I'm in no position to make any judgments. But I cannot understand why a material witness wasn't interviewed. There is no statute of limitations on homicide, only the rule of double jeopardy. And that only applies when someone is found innocent in a court of law, and cannot be re-tried for the same crime. There was no trial in this case, which means it can easily be re-opened.

Which leads to the questions, "were your own observations clouded by your personal relationship with the victim,or, by booze or drugs"? IF? This victim was down on the ground,helpless, no longer a threat, and still beaten with a deadly weapon? Then its homicide, probably in the form of manslaughter. If this is the case then you have a legitimate beef and should pursue it. If you do pursue it, and I would if these were the facts, then get used to the questions your hearing from me because your going to hear them a lot more.

Personally? If I thought my friend was killed by homicide and the authorities dropped the ball? I'd never "let it go".........Rich
 
I sent an email to the Prosecuting Attorney this afternoon. I'd discovered a few new twists to Erik's death, and informed her of them. She told me that her decision was final. I have run out of moves. It's up to Erik's family now, whether they will pursue his death any further.
I don't know what else I can do.
 
Rich46yo said:
What we do is immediately separate everyone, dont allow them to talk to each other, and conduct separate interviews with each witness. We will often fill a Public Bus with witnesses, station an officer on the bus, and enforce the no talk order. And we have every right to detain a witness as long as we need to, even to charge them with interfering with an investigation if they do not answer questions. A dead body on the street is a serious thing. Even then you get many conflicting accounts of the incident. Most of all when people have been drinking, were high, or have a personal relationship with either offender or victim.

Rich

I was there that night and I just wanted to say that doing the above was impossible because instead of sending the city police out, we had to wait for the county police to arrive. The house is just outside city limits so the city police would not respond. They could have been there in 5 minutes, but because it was outside of city limits we had to wait over 20 minutes for the county police. It was handled very poorly in my opinion. We even called the city police department (after calling 911) to beg them to come out because someone had a gun and they STILL would not come. Therefore, we all were allowed to talk amongst ourselves for quite a while before anyone was there. Even then we were not separated. I was injured so they wanted my picture and my statement right away and my husband was allowed to stand right there with me. I'd be pissed if I were Melissa. I even asked the officer who interviewed me if he needed to talk to Melissa and he said "no, she is intoxicated and uncooperative." Hmm... it was a party, we were all intoxicated and I never saw Melissa being "uncooperative" at all. They def. could have handled it better.
 
This situation is way bigger than you, has been so messed up by the people that should have solved it, and is completely out of your hands to control now Adrien. You have already taken control of your life and re-set your path in it. Please don't let all this mind melting news change your progress or hinder your growth. I guess all I am trying to say is please don't let your life be messed up again by things you cannot change as you seek some sort of closure to all this. Ask your self what Eric would expect you to do, reconcile yourself with what your needs are, and screw everything else. You've done great and deserve the forward momentum you have gained. You'll find your closure in your own time and in your own way ... be patient. Closure is not something you can force.

Your Friend,
Larry
 
adrien_j9 said:
I sent an email to the Prosecuting Attorney this afternoon. I'd discovered a few new twists to Erik's death, and informed her of them. She told me that her decision was final. I have run out of moves. It's up to Erik's family now, whether they will pursue his death any further.
I don't know what else I can do.

write your congressman and the Michigan Attorney General...
 
Melissa,
As you already know I am very empathetic to your situation but mostly want you to come to some peace in this and not torment yourself. Thus reaffirming my support I will also offer some additional comments from my perspective of this that are more general. I do not want to add to your suffering by raising additional things that may only agitate you but now I am agitated too about the apparent injustice in this. A man has died in an unnatural way at the hands of other men and someone has decided that there is no interest to the citizens of the state to pursue it further. My blood is boiling too since I see this possibly as more a case of incompetence and laziness of the elected and paid for officials. Eric payed taxes for a justice system and he payed with his life for a tragic interaction with drunken men and "someone" decides "this matter is concluded and we will do no more".

This whole tragic situation has caused me to think very deeply about the adequacy and properness of our whole legal "process". I find it lacking that a single person can act as judge, jury and coroner in this episode (and in all such cases) and decide that there is no infraction or there is no interest in the state in pursuing this matter (perhaps for the opinion of a single person that the state can not prove criminal intent or civil disorder). Again, I do not want to agitate your own tortured state of mind on this but it seems to me that there is a case, certainly in the civil domain, for potential manslaughter charges. The fundamental thing that bothers me is how a single person (the state prosecutor) can all by themselves justly and competently deny a hearing for justice in a formal court of law. I have never personally been involved with any legal dispute so this is all new to me and now I am shocked at learning what our system is. It seems very illogical to me that a justice system with all these built in appeal mechanisms that focus on the perspective of the accused have no such built in compassions for the possible victim. If a single representative of the state decides that there is no case then it is dead and their "final decision". Where is the appeal process for those that advocate that there was a victim here? I am outraged and if the situation were mine I would probably go right at the state prosecutor and raise her anxiety levels to something close to what Eric must have felt on that night with threats of personal law suits, charging incompetence with her boss and threating her economic situation and putting her entire career on the line. She is just taking the easy way out in this and does not want to spend the time on something that she thinks will not further her career and is less focused on justice than on her own career interests. I really can't rationally say that without knowing all the facts but I am mad now too.

Good Bless You,
Jim
 
First off forget the E-mails. Sit down and write letters, and make copies of them before you send them. Call news agencies, call your Governor office, your senator, your state rep, even write George Bush. Nothing is "final" so don't let them bullshit you. The only "final" is when a judge cracks his gavel down and that aint happened yet. "IF" a adjoining police agency failed to respond to such an incident then you have an even bigger beef. I know we have the adjacent jurisdiction rule and I would assume you do to, "tho I don't really know". Its possible they dispatch from a different center,maybe have a different radio frequency, there might be contention between the two agencys, and its possible they did everything right.

Another reason to quit, or to limit your drinking, is that the authorities will not put as much credence in the testimony of someone who has a personal relationship with either party,AND, was also intoxicated. Thats just the way it is. And it IS true much of what now happens is up to his blood family. They also have the civil law route and can also go after whoever it was that hosted this party.

But the bottom line is that nobody here knows what happened that night. Not me, not Ocean Dude, not anyone. Unless you were there! And we werent!..........................Rich
 
Well, the host of the party was my father, who wasn't down there at the time of the fight. It sounds like his wife isn't planning on suing my father, but who knows at this point. I've spoken with his sister who is trying to pursuade his wife to take further action. If it is against my father, then so be it. Justice needs to be served honestly and without prejudice. Erik's death demands it.
 
Had a great getaway this weekend. Hiked for hours on Saturday, worked on school papers, watched movies, sat at a bonfire. I wish I were still there! Two more weeks, may find me there - yet again!
 
Wanting to go to your grave, but my vehicles aren't allowing it. I shouldn't have waited so long to post here. It doesn't matter what is happening at IMF, it shouldn't affect my posts for Erik. So I'm sitting here, skipping school, and trying to get to Battle Creek. I hope it works out, I'm finally ready to go there and face the facts. Now I just hope that some miracle happens so I can get there. I love you Erik.
 
Has it's ups and downs, that's for sure. Thanks for stopping in, Flex. I really appreciate it!
 
Glad to see you back around Adrien. I was wondering where you had gone off to.
 
Tomorrows always a new day, and your going to be fine. Thats a traumatic situation for anyone to go thru. We are all just flesh and blood. A few months ago I had to transport the body of a murdered kid. His family was in the hospital near where we had to wheel him by so I went up to them, gave them my sympathy, and told them what we had to do. I also told them I didnt want them to see it and be further traumatized. The father said to me, "I hope you take good care of him when you take him". I told him, "for the next 1/2 hour your son is going to be like my own son".

When you lose a loved one there is never really a complete healing. Sure time helps, and maybe counsleing. But it never really goes completely away. Im not sure thats all a bad thing. And maybe, as Lincoln had said it, that attachement to others is one of the better Angels of our nature. If we can learn to extend that to people we dont know then maybe this wretched species has a chance.

Your going to be OK Melissa, and you go ahead and heal in your own time..................theres no hurry.....................Rich
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I never talked to him since I'm new on the sight, but I'm sure he'll be missed.
 
Thanks for stopping by, all.
After a brief lull in dramatics, it's flaring up again, but (and for the first time) I'm not the target. His money hungry wife is. Peeling away large sums of mula from Erik's Dad, specific amount - undisclosed. And is (or so the gossip mill states) going after Erik's sons SS benefits for her children. Many have informed me of this, many that would know truth from fiction.
I think it's great that his parents are so loving and supportive, however they've mistakenly placed the money in the wrong hands. His SONS should be receiving any and ALL benefits, as they are the ones more horribly destroyed than all of the rest of us.
For my own selfish benefit, some of his family are coming around and aren't dripping with hatred for me. I've even received a compliment (back handed, but compliment nonetheless,) from one who earlier abhorred me. Everyone is angry, and justifiably so, but I think some are realizing that I didn't weild the deadly weapon that night. Eases my self torment some.
Each week has me in therapy and it's going well. I laugh, I smile, I play, I work out. I'm teaching now, full time, and still working in massage. Life is slowly picking back up, but to "borrow" someone's quote, I have my good days and bad days.
 
I was coaxed here, again. You know who you are, thanks for the IM's. Life is full of changes right now, and though most haven't been great, a huge positive change is soon to happen, one that has me waking up anxious and excited most days. As always, there has been a lot of drama, more than I have to time to catch up on. To those who remember me well, hello and I hope you are doing well!
 
Yo Adrien!
 
Ass, you know where I've been, you've been there with me!
Not much to report that is of any interest to those here. A move is in the near future, as is a new career. I've been teaching children self defense against all types of child predators. I love this job, but it pays NO bills!

You soon may here my voice on the other end of the AAA team. Stranded somewhere? I'll help!
 
Back
Top