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Same Sex Marriages

Should gays and lesbians have marriage rights?

  • Gays and Lesbians should have the same rights

    Votes: 104 45.0%
  • Gays and Lesbians are just brain dead

    Votes: 7 3.0%
  • Only Men and women should be married

    Votes: 109 47.2%
  • GW Is Right

    Votes: 11 4.8%

  • Total voters
    231
John H. said:
Bio:

Churches (religions) DICTATE ALL THE TIME - their beliefs and disbeliefs. To their "flock" and to all others if they can. To whoever they can and to whoever they can get "to listen" and "to follow"....

Religions have had as their "moral compass" the slavery of others for example - study your history. I do not subscribe to that "moral compass" or anything like it.

God (or Whoever you perceive Him to be and Whatever you wish to call Him) gives each human being a brain and expects each of us to utilize it to the best of our abilities which INCLUDES QUESTIONING of ALL THINGS including religion and God Himself with an open mind and objectively....

This Nation (The USA) was NOT founded on Christianity. It was founded on Freedom - Freedom too of religion - and/or none - to believe as one personally believed without interference from anyone or anything. This Nation was lucky to have had Founders who recognized the ABUSES of religions and religion and wanted to have a place where all peoples could live in true peace and hopefully harmony as each person chooses.

John H.

Great post John.
I grew up Christian ( Catholic) and actually was an altar boy for many years, and I have to tell you I find the Catholic Church a place of discrimination, hate, godlessness and corruption. The Christian religion is the king of bigotry and hate.
 
Pepper said:
We believe the Bible to be inspired by God and therefore error free. Regardless of when written.

John H. Your conclusions about Christrians are based on two things 1) their view on homosexuality and 2) what you have seen/heard in the media about the actions of certain Christians.

You have no idea what it means to be in a church. You have no idea of love and childess pouring out of these churches. You really have no right to continually say such horrible things about Christians with so little knowledge.

You do exactly what you claim Christians do. Would you like it if I went to a Gay Pride parade and assumed you were like that? You'd accuse me of being a bigot and being hatefull. That is exactly what you are and I'm done with you.

Hi Pepper,

You could NOT BE MORE WRONG! And I never said ALL "Christians" - or any other RELIGION or RELIGIOUS affiliation... Those that ARE GUILTY, ARE - that does NOT mean ALL ARE, ONLY those that ARE!!!! You do not know me at all nor do you really know.... I am WELL AWARE of the GOOD - SOME - DO!!! MANY "THINK" they are but in fact ARE NOT!!! And are only lying to themselves - and to GOD!!!

Love, I sure DO KNOW what IT IS - TRUTHFULLY!!!

"Being in a church"? TRUTHFULLY, that is NOT a requirement to LIVE LIFE HONESTLY and DO GOOD TRUTHFULLY. It is a convenience and really just a "social" gathering - nothing more than a "socal club" - REAL GOOD DEPENDS ONLY on EACH INDIVIDUAL and THEIR SINCERE HONESTY AND PURPOSE....

The long and the short of it - RELIGION is MAN-made and thus possesses MAN'S failings, etc. GOD and CHRIST have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the hatred, the bigotry, the lies, the dishonest, the damning, ETC. NEVER!!! And for "religion" to SAY They do is PURE BULLSHIT!!!

As for Homosexuality, AS WITH Heterosexuality and BiSexuality, THEY ARE ALL COMPLETELY NATURAL - AND RIGHT - AND HONORABLE - when people REGARDLESS OF THEIR GENDER - AGREE and are able to agree, are of age and ability - have the ability to know and give free consent unencumbered.... AND HONESTLY CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER - that IS PARAMOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE should EVER USE another!!!!!!!!!!

RELIGION makes its own bed and will sleep in it TRUST ME - and THEY HAVE. When I say something that is against RELIGION there IS VERY VALID AND TRUTHFUL REASON(S) - ANYONE that SEEKS the TRUTH OBJECTIVELY WILL SEE FOR THEMSELVES. All they have to do is LOOK with OPEN eyes - HONESTLY!!! It is not me that "damns" but RELIGION ITSELF!!! I am merely reporting THE FACTS!!!!

Those that TRULY LIVE AND ACT AND CONDUCT themselves with the intentions of God KNOW what I am saying IS TRUE!!! And SO DOES GOD HIMSELF!!!

Take Care, John H.
 
myCATpowerlifts said:
Okay, how about this,
Only Hot lesbians ages 18-30 can get married?


Hi my,

Apparently, from what I have been hearing and seeing - MANY LOVE LESBIANS!!!

So you have to ask yourself then WHY NOT Gays - and BiSexuals - too?

Take Care, John H.
 
THEUNIT(XXL) said:
No smoking :finger: :finger: :finger:

Hi THE,

NO, NOT ME - EVER!!! TRUTHFULLY!!! I never have - and never will!!! (That is if you are talking about cigarettes and drugs.... :D :laugh: :hot: )

Take Care, John H.
 
ForemanRules said:
Great post John.
I grew up Christian ( Catholic) and actually was an altar boy for many years, and I have to tell you I find the Catholic Church a place of discrimination, hate, godlessness and corruption. The Christian religion is the king of bigotry and hate.

Hi Foreman,

Some bitch about ME saying - but it IS RELIGION that SAYS IT - ITSELF. People that LOOK HONESTLY - SEE HONESTLY!!!

TDGC :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: , John H.
 
I'm a family values person...I value all families that love each other, regardless. So, yes, obviously I think gay people should be allowed to marry and have the same rights. If your religion says YOU shouldn't marry a person of the same sex, then don't. But don't tell other people THEY can't.

xoxo

Wyst
 
Who are the 107 hateful slaves here.....I feel sorry for you all........you would have been the same losers to oppose the rights of minorities in the 50's and 60's.....pathetic
 
Whut about a girl mary girl chioce
 
WOW...This thread must be fed on Energizer, it just keeps going and going and going...Insane!!!

Yall know my take on this issue...It just baffles me that this discussion constantly revolves around the same darn issues of religion, principles and politics! If this thread is to stay alive , why not emphasize on the lives that are being shattered by ignorance, hatred and bigotry...? U dont agree with gays (male or female ) marrying, fine, I dont agree with divorce, whether it be gay or straight, as I beleive that the rpomise made in marriage should be upheld and honoured...Still doesnt mean that I think it should be illegal or banned...

Not agreeing with one's values is one thing, how boring would it be for all of us to agree on everyhting...But preventing people from living fulfilling lives because of such disgreements is plain silly!
 
KEFE said:
Whut about a girl mary girl chioce
:finger: Stop promoting gay marriage, but bashing gays...


We all now know, you are gay... sheeesh - :rolleyes:
 
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Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions.
 
Or a man who is not enslaved by the silly superstitions and hate of religon.
 
You are quite possibly the most hateful person on the entire forum. The irony of that post makes me laugh.
 
ForemanRules said:
Who are the 107 hateful slaves here.....I feel sorry for you all........you would have been the same losers to oppose the rights of minorities in the 50's and 60's.....pathetic

Sorry Foreman, but comparing gay marriage to the civil rights movement of the 50/60's is just absurd.

Being gay is a choice that many people believe to be immoral. Comparing a moral judgment to racism is just irresponsible, in my opinion.
 
Pepper said:
Sorry Foreman, but comparing gay marriage to the civil rights movement of the 50/60's is just absurd.

Being gay is a choice that many people believe to be immoral. Comparing a moral judgment to racism is just irresponsible, in my opinion.

The great thing is you are young.......and in 30 or 40 years you will look back on these times and realise you were 100% wrong. Just like all those foolish old KKK members back in the 50's you will wake up and realise that was you......live and learn :thumb:
 
I feel sorry for all people who just cant accept people for what they are. The need to judge and label them as bad is just absurd and certainly not the job of a human.
And it is exactly the same......its not a choice how you are born..... put all the silly superstition away.
 
BTW, I think I said this way back in this thread, but I have no problem with granting gays some sort of way to form a legal bond between them. For example, they need to have a way to make medical decisions, etc. However, if you make it "marriage" and then require me to offer medical insurance to the "spouse" of a gay employee, you have violated MY rights.
 
I disagree 100% but who cares, its like telling a plantation owner in the 1700's that slavery is wrong.
 
Keep trying to compare it to slavery, it really validates your point. Why not step it up to the holocaust? Those anti-gay marriage people are just as evil right? I mean wanting to preserve the meaning of a term that has been, since the beginning of its use, used exclusively for heterosexual couples is right up there with the brutality of other horrific events in history.

Get real, you're such a loser, there is no comparison whatsoever, and your constant use of insults and exaggeration expose you as a person who fails to use any logic or substance in his arguments.
 
I agree with Foreman.
Pepper said:
Being gay is a choice that many people believe to be immoral. Comparing a moral judgment to racism is just irresponsible, in my opinion.
IMO, being gay is not really a 'choice' per se as much as being straight is a choice. Never ever heard of anyone who 'chose' to be straight. However, being a racist is more a choice and conditioning of environment.

Note: i am not comparing a person being gay to slavery. I am talking about referring to being gay as a 'choice'.

Pepper said:
However, if you make it "marriage" and then require me to offer medical insurance to the "spouse" of a gay employee, you have violated MY rights.
Are gay employers exempt from paying for medical insurance to the "spouse" of a straight employee? No? why not? Arent their rights being presently and currently violated right now??? :confused:
 
wyst said:
I'm a family values person...I value all families that love each other, regardless. So, yes, obviously I think gay people should be allowed to marry and have the same rights. If your religion says YOU shouldn't marry a person of the same sex, then don't. But don't tell other people THEY can't.

xoxo

Wyst

Hi Wyst,

EXACTLY! It IS about people CARING HONESTLY about each other NOT their Gender AND that they BE of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely. It IS a PRIVATE MATTER between those that consent freely and are able to make that decision.

Remember RELIGION IS MAN-MADE. Period. So each religion and each Man that is the "author" of that religion will have their own INTERPRETATION and VIEWPOINT on what is "right" and what is "not" but that viewpoint in and of itself does NOT make something "wrong" just that "somone" "SAYS" so - according to THEIR THINKING.

Anyone MUST LOOK to what IS in Nature and the Natural World of which Human Beings ARE a part whether they like that fact or not. The fact can NOT be changed. Heterosexuality, BiSexuality AND Homosexuality DO EXIST and always have so there MUST BE a reason(s) and when it is - as with Human Beings - done with THOSE THAT CARE HONESTLY IT IS RIGHT, PROPER, GOOD, etc.

Take Care, John H.
 
You are only fueled by hate and fear. People like you show me why this world is so fucked up with war, murder, intolerance and injustice. I feel sorry for you and all that come into contact with you.
 
ForemanRules said:
You are only fueled by hate and fear. People like you show me why this world is so fucked up with war, murder, intolerance and injustice. I feel sorry for you and all that come into contact with you.
You talking to me? If so, you are truly showing how fucking ignorant YOU are.

I have several gay friends. I don't hate them at ALL. I don't judge them b/c they don't judge me. I just happen to think that marriage is for Man/Woman couple. You are the ignorant one for thinking that opinion makes me hate.

Can I not think something is wrong and be friends with someone? I hope so, b/c there is a ton of things wrong in my life.

Funny, you rage against hate but you have been far more hateful in this thread and others than just about anyone else.
 
Pepper said:
You talking to me? If so, you are truly showing how fucking ignorant YOU are.

I have several gay friends. I don't hate them at ALL. I don't judge them b/c they don't judge me. I just happen to think that marriage is for Man/Woman couple. You are the ignorant one for thinking that opinion makes me hate.

Can I not think something is wrong and be friends with someone? I hope so, b/c there is a ton of things wrong in my life.

Funny, you rage against hate but you have been far more hateful in this thread and others than just about anyone else.
No I was not talking to you, this was directed at brogers.
 
ForemanRules said:
No I was not talking to you, this was directed at brogers.
Opps. My apologies for the rant then. I don't know whether he deserved that or not.
 
brogers said:
Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions.
'Conviction is more dangerous to truth than lies!'
--Nietzsche

Those with passionate conviction are generally not prone to an evenhanded assessment of things. By that I mean the impassioned intensity of conviction clouds one's critical faculties.

As for the matter at hand, same-sex marriages should be allowed. To ban or not permit them seems like obtrusive governmental intereference w/ individual liberties to me...the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...don't like anyone's particular spin on any of those rights? Tough shit.

I fail to see how recognizing the rights of one class of citizens infringes on anyone else's rights. If so, which rights are being violated or stressed?

I haven't read the entire thread (so this may have been posted) but here are some counter arguments to my position:

Top twelve reasons homosexual marriage should not be legal:

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can???t legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears??? 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn???t changed at all; women are property, blacks can???t marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That???s why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That???s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven???t adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a ???seperate but equal??? institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.

Source http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/2004/02/top_twelve_reas.html
 
Decker said:
'Conviction is more dangerous to truth than lies!'
--Nietzsche

Those with passionate conviction are generally not prone to an evenhanded assessment of things. By that I mean the impassioned intensity of conviction clouds one's critical faculties.

As for the matter at hand, same-sex marriages should be allowed. To ban or not permit them seems like obtrusive governmental intereference w/ individual liberties to me...the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...don't like anyone's particular spin on any of those rights? Tough shit.

I fail to see how recognizing the rights of one class of citizens infringes on anyone else's rights. If so, which rights are being violated or stressed?

I haven't read the entire thread (so this may have been posted) but here are some counter arguments to my position:

Top twelve reasons homosexual marriage should not be legal:

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can???t legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears??? 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn???t changed at all; women are property, blacks can???t marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That???s why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That???s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven???t adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a ???seperate but equal??? institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.

Source http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/2004/02/top_twelve_reas.html

Hi Decker,

Look at No. 1 you have quoted: It IS TOTALLY WRONG. Homosexuality, as well as Heterosexuality and BiSexuality ARE COMPLETELY NATURAL. See the book BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, by Bruce Bagemihl which discusses Homosexuality and BiSexuality in the animal kingdom. See any textbook on Botany for example and see that BiSexuality and Asexuality are COMPLETELY NATURAL - and keep researchaing in other areas - you WILL FIND that EACH of the Sexualities ARE NATUAL VARIATIONS - as with ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE.

Look at No. 2: "...Infertile couples and old people..." get "legally married" ALL THE TIME. Why would you think they can not? And the world DOES NOT NEED "marriage" to produce children through Heterosexual couples. It HAPPENS all the time OUTside of marriage. Marriage IS MAN-MADE and is NOT a prerequisite to anyone having children. Also the world is OVERPOPULATED now - we DO NOT need MORE people, we need LESS!!!

Look at No. 3: Being either Heterosexual or Homosexual or BiSexual IS NOT a requirement for raising Heterosexual children. Heterosexual couples RAISE children that ARE BiSexual and Homosexual ALL THE TIME. And just because a couple is Homosexual DOES NOT GUARANTEE that the children will be Homosexual as well - in fact many ARE HETEROSEXUAL even though they are raised in a Homosexual environment. Sexuality IS DETERMINED by Nature NOT MAN! .....

ANYTIME someone infringes on the rights of some, and/or others, EVERYONE is ultimately affected. It does not stop.

Take Care, John H.
 
I'm not naming names but someone needs to be strung up by their penis and have it chopped off at the base...
 
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