-
Please REGISTER at Anabolic Steroid Forums, and become a member of our NEW community!
Scared Shitless
- Thread starter oaktownboy
- Start date
We're living in a male driven society 
Sex is the best remedy.
Whatever happened with this? 
Basically I felt like a stalker and stopped calling. Not accepting my calls, and ending his communications with us here at IM to me = leave me alone. I talked to his father and made him aware of OTB's direct statement that he was going to kill himself. I called OTB's home a few times but he never took my calls. I feel I need to respect his desire to be left alone ... especially since I'm in Texas and he's in Cali prevents me from taking the dude fishing er whatever.
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2006
- Messages
- 2,012
- Reaction score
- 6
- Points
- 0
- Location
- On Loan From A Distant Star System
Ditto BC's sentiments here.
If OTB isn't coming back here, I'm not about to push help at him, its not right. Couple of our folk from this forum are in the vicinity of where he lives, but its not our business to intrude.
Now I've worked a bit recently with HAN, and anybody reading that thread is gonna get an impression that I do know my shit.
I could probably make decent headway in helping OTB *understand* and resolve his serious health problems. I've left messages for Oak, and he's obviously not interested in coming back, at least, not right now.
So, we're in neutral mode. This thread sits, waiting for him to check in, if he wishes.
If OTB isn't coming back here, I'm not about to push help at him, its not right. Couple of our folk from this forum are in the vicinity of where he lives, but its not our business to intrude.
Now I've worked a bit recently with HAN, and anybody reading that thread is gonna get an impression that I do know my shit.
I could probably make decent headway in helping OTB *understand* and resolve his serious health problems. I've left messages for Oak, and he's obviously not interested in coming back, at least, not right now.
So, we're in neutral mode. This thread sits, waiting for him to check in, if he wishes.
Last edited:
I have a strong scientific back ground and understand everything she has said and also she has validity due to research to back it up which makes it more credible and I spoke to a freind of mine from another board and he knew her name right away when I mentioned who was helping. i hope people do read my thread so it does prevent people from making the same mistakes.
doctor has me on flagyl for ameba histolytica and i am starting a neurotransmitter supplement
Glad to see you are back.. THIS TIME MOUTH IS GOING TO BE SHUT !! 
P-funk said:holy shit!!
how are you man?
I hope you are feeling better.
Stay strong.
no i'm not feeling better, that's for sure..the Flagyl is really the only option left...i am going to an Infectious Disease doctor. I will try a neurotransmitter supplement. I am thinking that's what caused me to crash in the first place. Ephedra really diminishes them.
what i really need is a doctor who has a lot of experience with patients like me...
yeh if she could give me some advice or have an idea what's at the root of all my problems, i would be greatly appreciative
Pfunk I was just going to say that, but he is going to have to trust her and what she saids is out side the box but she will definitely approach this from all angles. She is a wizard at metabolic stress phenomons. I am going to let her handle this one and just sit back and learn, but I have a good suspicion of somethng, but I am going to let her tell you and help you. Caffine ephederine, low carb diet, undereating, overtraning can cause flucutation in blood sugars thats all I am going to say.. let her handle the rest. I believe she and I have agreed that we are at the core of my problem and working on getting back to homostasis
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2006
- Messages
- 2,012
- Reaction score
- 6
- Points
- 0
- Location
- On Loan From A Distant Star System
Dharma is a cycle.
HAN, why were you attracted to OTBs health issues in the first place?
Because you were seeing patterns.
Similar isues in yourself. In mastering an understanding of others, we master ourselves.
Now HAN, you and I have had lengthy indepth discussion of your problems.
I asked OTB to read your thread through.
You and I, we answer OTBs questions in turn. One by one.
Demonstrate to us your understanding and mastery of this complex chemistry.
Make good on your original intent to help; I will be here to add to what you say, as necessary.
This is both burden of service and reward for selfless intent.
Please begin...at the beginning.
HAN, why were you attracted to OTBs health issues in the first place?
Because you were seeing patterns.
Similar isues in yourself. In mastering an understanding of others, we master ourselves.
Now HAN, you and I have had lengthy indepth discussion of your problems.
I asked OTB to read your thread through.
You and I, we answer OTBs questions in turn. One by one.
Demonstrate to us your understanding and mastery of this complex chemistry.
Make good on your original intent to help; I will be here to add to what you say, as necessary.
This is both burden of service and reward for selfless intent.
Please begin...at the beginning.
well i was dieting down for a bodybuilding competition, coming off a year of college which had me at an emotional breakdown...i was taking ephedra, doing too much cardio and overtraining..my diet was fairly good. I was eatin 5-6 meals a day, consisting of turkey/chicken breasts yogurt veggies for most meals and eggs/egg whites and oatmeal for breakfast..eating the same thing for months on end. One day, i couldn't get out of bed. All of my energy had been sucked out of me. I had a constant and never-dying craving for sugar and gluten. I still have the gluten cravings; not so much the sugar. I went to many doctors who said I was just depressed. Finally I found a doctor who ran numerous tests. findings: hypothyroid, suppressed adrenals, urinary tract infection ,extreme constipation (i go once or twice a weak if im lucky), candida, ameba histolytica, low dhea,etx...I was given treatment for the thyroid, adrenal,dhea and candida problem with no results. Now we are trying Flagyl for the ameba histolytica. I still have a constant craving for gluten. Fruits and vegetables make me feel worse. I can't sleep at night anymore and I gain fat no matter what I eat while all the muscle I accumulated has wasted away.
and hardasnail's thread, that shit is too complicated for me. I have this really bad brain fog which stops me from reading or really thinking altogether.
Starting back at the beginning you brought up something that just flicked a switch in my head. You had an emotional break down from school and I studied for a test for work late at night on the computer for several months and ended up failing resulting in possbile termination of my job on top of dieting. SO there was a psychological stress that was involved and probably we used working out as a mean to "sweep it"under the covers, but rather it was possible eating us a way at the subconscious level never knowing it. Stress of any kind will at stress to the hpa axis resulting in malfunctioning of it. Stress it self can cause hidden blood sugar level fluctuations. Now added the variable of dieting, over training, and unsolved psychological issues we were just setting our self up. As Trouble has mentioned to me several times stress is at the core of much of the stress placed of the hypothalamus and over time this will cause it to malfunction as we found out.
Now getting back to the biochemistry I will reference some parts of my thread that do parellel your situation
Ceffeine and ephedrine feed the beta-adrenergic release of NE and from it, ACTH, this mediated by glutamate. Excess cortisol, from NE hyperstimulation, leads to elevated ROS, eh?- lamens term caffine ephederine raises cortisol levels, and cause depletion of you antioxident. REmeber gluthione.
Excessive stress to the Acth will cause elevated blood sugar levels and will add more insult to depletion of your reserves. Over prolong time your cortisol levels can only take some much and eventually they burn out. As you found out. With out proper diagnosis from a GLucose challenge I am not going comment further, but With out gluthione your thyroid will not function properly.
Now to delve deeper you know have oxidative stress as well as elevated ROS (BAD GUYS). One can only speculate that there is mitochondrion dyfunction but with out evidence I will not comment I will leave up to trouble to verify. From reading post from trouble I can suspect your neurons are firing a way like crazy (excitory response) and they need to be inhiibited by adssing
OTB do you have access to a glucometer and test strips. i would be curious to see if your blood sugar fluctuates at 30 minutes, 1 hour and before you eat again. Trouble may back me up here but self induced insulin resistance from stress with clogged l
Your neurontramsmitters are dervied in the gut and liver pathways. So there is probably disruptions in these pathways that trouble can better analyze these with out having testing to back things it I am not going to speculate. i have an idea that you are way undermythenated but there is no way to prove this unless trouble has other methods
Now getting back to the biochemistry I will reference some parts of my thread that do parellel your situation
Ceffeine and ephedrine feed the beta-adrenergic release of NE and from it, ACTH, this mediated by glutamate. Excess cortisol, from NE hyperstimulation, leads to elevated ROS, eh?- lamens term caffine ephederine raises cortisol levels, and cause depletion of you antioxident. REmeber gluthione.
Excessive stress to the Acth will cause elevated blood sugar levels and will add more insult to depletion of your reserves. Over prolong time your cortisol levels can only take some much and eventually they burn out. As you found out. With out proper diagnosis from a GLucose challenge I am not going comment further, but With out gluthione your thyroid will not function properly.
Now to delve deeper you know have oxidative stress as well as elevated ROS (BAD GUYS). One can only speculate that there is mitochondrion dyfunction but with out evidence I will not comment I will leave up to trouble to verify. From reading post from trouble I can suspect your neurons are firing a way like crazy (excitory response) and they need to be inhiibited by adssing
OTB do you have access to a glucometer and test strips. i would be curious to see if your blood sugar fluctuates at 30 minutes, 1 hour and before you eat again. Trouble may back me up here but self induced insulin resistance from stress with clogged l
Your neurontramsmitters are dervied in the gut and liver pathways. So there is probably disruptions in these pathways that trouble can better analyze these with out having testing to back things it I am not going to speculate. i have an idea that you are way undermythenated but there is no way to prove this unless trouble has other methods
Last edited:
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2006
- Messages
- 2,012
- Reaction score
- 6
- Points
- 0
- Location
- On Loan From A Distant Star System
Wait!
First, the acknowledgement that you BOTH were dieting down for competition.
Thats the first parallel and it sets the stage for what happens next.
But before that...There was stress, and a lot of it, in both of your lives..
Each of you had a depletion in liver glycogen, and the body acted like it was in starvation....why?
What is happening when the fat levels are driven down..
And what compounds were used to achieve it??
HAN go slower, there is much to be learned here...do not cut to the chase so quickly.
First, the acknowledgement that you BOTH were dieting down for competition.
Thats the first parallel and it sets the stage for what happens next.
But before that...There was stress, and a lot of it, in both of your lives..
Each of you had a depletion in liver glycogen, and the body acted like it was in starvation....why?
What is happening when the fat levels are driven down..
And what compounds were used to achieve it??
HAN go slower, there is much to be learned here...do not cut to the chase so quickly.
^^what do u suggest i do?
oaktownboy said:
What in gods name is that?!
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2006
- Messages
- 2,012
- Reaction score
- 6
- Points
- 0
- Location
- On Loan From A Distant Star System
OTB, we need to have this three way discussion on the rolling chain of events, and the parallels between your condition and that of HAN..
They are very similar. For very good reasons.
Others will be in the same desparate situation...you know how bad it can be.
If we step through the sequence...and think about what is happening within the body, we will be able to back where there are bottle necks, and how best to get more normal cell function flowing in brain, in liver, in gut, kidneys, adrenals thyroid.and muscle cells.
HAN understands most of it. In order for him to use it, he must also help apply it in your case....and through him and me, you learn as well.
I know you are desperate to be well again. So is HAN. But we can't just throw compounds at you, its a stepwise approach thats needed.
I'm sorry, HANs own thread is complex and full of jargon - I apologize for that...we had to cover a lot of connections quickly but in depth as he came across them by digging for information.
But it is also your story as well, OTB. His solutions are very close to those you need as well. Because the antecedent conditions are also very similar.
That is why we start before you were in preparing for competition.
This is really quite important. Others will learn and avoid the same mistakes.
They are very similar. For very good reasons.
Others will be in the same desparate situation...you know how bad it can be.
If we step through the sequence...and think about what is happening within the body, we will be able to back where there are bottle necks, and how best to get more normal cell function flowing in brain, in liver, in gut, kidneys, adrenals thyroid.and muscle cells.
HAN understands most of it. In order for him to use it, he must also help apply it in your case....and through him and me, you learn as well.
I know you are desperate to be well again. So is HAN. But we can't just throw compounds at you, its a stepwise approach thats needed.
I'm sorry, HANs own thread is complex and full of jargon - I apologize for that...we had to cover a lot of connections quickly but in depth as he came across them by digging for information.
But it is also your story as well, OTB. His solutions are very close to those you need as well. Because the antecedent conditions are also very similar.
That is why we start before you were in preparing for competition.
This is really quite important. Others will learn and avoid the same mistakes.
once again, i am gonna try to say this in the most polite way i can think of...what exactly do u think i need to do? i need something concrete. Do I need more tests run? Do I need certain supplementation? The responses u are giving will drive me crazy, literally. U dunno how close I have come to suicide; and for u, another doctor, to give me reponses like that make me want to slit my wrists....So, what do I need to have done?
You need stress management. Take walks several times a day will be a good start. Do you have a dog if so walk it (troubles quotes LOL) Have you done counseling and was it helpful if you did. I know you had a rough time so did I but I am going to get through it and we can help each others. First thing is we need to calm your nervous system down through stress reduction and quiet that HPA axis. TEsting wise trouble did mentioned about metabolic labs in other threads she can help you there, TRouble do you think a glucose challege would be appropiate, but again this is not the core root of the problem but only a symptom of metabolic stress. Stress raises blood sugar levels and can cause adrenal, thyroid, testosterone dysfunction (hence HPA axis malfunction). Stess causes weaken immune system probably making us vulnerablee to those infections. Have you had recent blood test done and where there any abnormalites in your lipid profile (low hdl, high triglycerides, high ldl, cholesterol elevations,)
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2006
- Messages
- 2,012
- Reaction score
- 6
- Points
- 0
- Location
- On Loan From A Distant Star System
Simple supplements are all that are necessary.
I know nothing of this secondary infection you have.
We can start with a simple set to help get your liver and energy rebalanced again, and to help your gut heal itself.
You are like HAN, you have very poor insulin production,and your thyroid and adrenal glands are barely active. You know this already.
At the heart of your problem, like HAN, you have an absence of glutathione and a buildup of a compound called glutamate in your brain, the result of a lack of a corresponding compound, called GABA. GABA is a big player in the control of brain neurotransmitters. You are right, you are not making these compounds like you should be. And that problem, OTB, that lies in how your liver functions.
The excess of glutamate and the lack of GABA is what makes you tightly wound.
I am here to help. I will speak very simply of what you need and how we will go about correcting your problems. If these simple explanations make sense, you will begin to feel more confident that we are on the right track, and not just grabbing at ideas.
I hear you; I hear your desparation. If we start on a simple supplement list, can we also discuss your diet and the drugs and supplements you are using.
Start by telling me what you are taking. What is your diet like. And your sleep habits. How about exercise, patterns of activity.
I know nothing of this secondary infection you have.
We can start with a simple set to help get your liver and energy rebalanced again, and to help your gut heal itself.
You are like HAN, you have very poor insulin production,and your thyroid and adrenal glands are barely active. You know this already.
At the heart of your problem, like HAN, you have an absence of glutathione and a buildup of a compound called glutamate in your brain, the result of a lack of a corresponding compound, called GABA. GABA is a big player in the control of brain neurotransmitters. You are right, you are not making these compounds like you should be. And that problem, OTB, that lies in how your liver functions.
The excess of glutamate and the lack of GABA is what makes you tightly wound.
I am here to help. I will speak very simply of what you need and how we will go about correcting your problems. If these simple explanations make sense, you will begin to feel more confident that we are on the right track, and not just grabbing at ideas.
I hear you; I hear your desparation. If we start on a simple supplement list, can we also discuss your diet and the drugs and supplements you are using.
Start by telling me what you are taking. What is your diet like. And your sleep habits. How about exercise, patterns of activity.
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2006
- Messages
- 2,012
- Reaction score
- 6
- Points
- 0
- Location
- On Loan From A Distant Star System
HAN and I are pulling your list together OTB.
Chain of my events
1. testing for job positioin - studied late night on computer 11pm- 1am up at 530 for cardio - Customer service rep at vandguard fiinacial instutiion, high stress job dealing with complex issues in pressured time frame.
2. Got very little sunlight due to being inside at job and sleeping during lunch because of being exhauted
3. dieting down for show time - low carb high protein, moderate fat diet (tons of flax seed oils 4 TBSP a day) spike insulin levels every 3 day for glycogen repletion
4 supplements was off the juice for 6 months used lots of ALA, tons of BCAAS, glutemine, EC stack, carnitine, green tea, tyrosine.
Found out the BCAAS comepte with tryrtophan uptake.
5. I was taking a high potent multivitamin 8 weeks out I switch to some shitty ass store brand, I cut my red meat intake and had to switch over to shakes because work was bithcing I was eating too much, I would use whey protein 6 scoops aday at 300 mgs of calcium a serving. Magnesium intake was barely anything may be 200 mgs if that a day.
6. Self satifaction 4-5 times a day during contest - found out leads to neurotransmitter depletion and possible liver malfunction if there is validity to this scientific. I could only reference OCD behavior which is linked to low serotonin levels.
7. with in 4 weeks from contest I had loss about 20 lbs alot of it being muscle and I could not find reason why. When ever I ate carbs I felt nothing meaning no pump veins anything. Give me fat i got freaky and hard..insulin resistance setting in possible?
8. after contest It was holidays so I started alot consuming sugar and would get tired abotu 30 minutes later. After working out I would have 75 grams dextrose.whey protein 30 minutes later I be sweating like a pig and waiting to take a nap. Some times a barely made it home with out crashing the car. i did have slighly altered bowel moments during the contest, but when I would up magnesium it would level it self back out and never though nothing of it untill now.
9, With in week after contest I notice altered sleep patterns and unexplained anxiety at work and increase muscle pains and shortness of breath like being anemic and oxygen was not getting to the tissue or bowel (hypoxia). Bodily functions started slowing down. One day woke up and did not know where i was and stuttering like never before. I could not remember my name or where I was ate and even forgot my moms phone number...This is when I got scared. AT this time I was feeling dry inside like in my colon and that there was a brick of shit that was lodge and would not come out. i admitted my self into the ER and test should low hemo, hemocrit low WBC, low RBC, low platelets, elevated blood sugar, and severe dehydration. they gave me electroyltes and sent me on my way. A week later Went to endo serum cortisol was high normal and test was low low thyroid was "in normal range" I started on ZMA and retested and test started to come back up this puzzled the dr of why it was coming back up his diagnosis "your pituitary is a sleep" now I know why.
1. testing for job positioin - studied late night on computer 11pm- 1am up at 530 for cardio - Customer service rep at vandguard fiinacial instutiion, high stress job dealing with complex issues in pressured time frame.
2. Got very little sunlight due to being inside at job and sleeping during lunch because of being exhauted
3. dieting down for show time - low carb high protein, moderate fat diet (tons of flax seed oils 4 TBSP a day) spike insulin levels every 3 day for glycogen repletion
4 supplements was off the juice for 6 months used lots of ALA, tons of BCAAS, glutemine, EC stack, carnitine, green tea, tyrosine.
Found out the BCAAS comepte with tryrtophan uptake.
5. I was taking a high potent multivitamin 8 weeks out I switch to some shitty ass store brand, I cut my red meat intake and had to switch over to shakes because work was bithcing I was eating too much, I would use whey protein 6 scoops aday at 300 mgs of calcium a serving. Magnesium intake was barely anything may be 200 mgs if that a day.
6. Self satifaction 4-5 times a day during contest - found out leads to neurotransmitter depletion and possible liver malfunction if there is validity to this scientific. I could only reference OCD behavior which is linked to low serotonin levels.
7. with in 4 weeks from contest I had loss about 20 lbs alot of it being muscle and I could not find reason why. When ever I ate carbs I felt nothing meaning no pump veins anything. Give me fat i got freaky and hard..insulin resistance setting in possible?
8. after contest It was holidays so I started alot consuming sugar and would get tired abotu 30 minutes later. After working out I would have 75 grams dextrose.whey protein 30 minutes later I be sweating like a pig and waiting to take a nap. Some times a barely made it home with out crashing the car. i did have slighly altered bowel moments during the contest, but when I would up magnesium it would level it self back out and never though nothing of it untill now.
9, With in week after contest I notice altered sleep patterns and unexplained anxiety at work and increase muscle pains and shortness of breath like being anemic and oxygen was not getting to the tissue or bowel (hypoxia). Bodily functions started slowing down. One day woke up and did not know where i was and stuttering like never before. I could not remember my name or where I was ate and even forgot my moms phone number...This is when I got scared. AT this time I was feeling dry inside like in my colon and that there was a brick of shit that was lodge and would not come out. i admitted my self into the ER and test should low hemo, hemocrit low WBC, low RBC, low platelets, elevated blood sugar, and severe dehydration. they gave me electroyltes and sent me on my way. A week later Went to endo serum cortisol was high normal and test was low low thyroid was "in normal range" I started on ZMA and retested and test started to come back up this puzzled the dr of why it was coming back up his diagnosis "your pituitary is a sleep" now I know why.
Oak let me suggest some things and explain reasoning behind them
sam-e, if you are not taking it, must be on your list. 200-400mg, twice per day, with water, 20 min before eating. A must for you, your methylations reactions in lliver are poor. You can buy this at any drugstored - Walmart sells it as cheap as you can find it on-line.
TMG (trimethylglycine) 1/4 tspsoon 3 meals will also help, delivering extra methyl groups. Needed to supply methionine, which you don't make very well. Custom Nutrition warehouse
vitamin C, 3-4 grams per day, to help maintain glutathione, needed to make other sulfur bearing compounds in liver. Buy the ester form, take 500 mg at a time, start with 4 times a day, and work your way up to 1 gram 4x per day. Walmart carries it.
For thyroid function, selenium methionate is key. ihealthtree.com
taurine, magnesium citrate, GABA (1/4 tsp each,, in water, 3 times per day between meals; order all three from Bulk Nutrition.
Magnesium is necessary for many reactions in the body, you are low in it, because your kidneys are not operating efficiently. The citrate part of magnesium citrate will help start fatty acid synthesis and make ATP, which you MUST have to make cholesterol in liver. You do not make cholesterol and you have a problem releasing what fatty acids you have. The lack of taurine, makes your bile acids very irritating to your intestines. That leads to what we call leaky gut with food absorption issues and IBS. The taurine will help you also with your racing mind and anxiety.
For your IBS, olive oil, OTB. You need to add a small amount to modest protein shakes. These shakes must be taken with a little soluble fiber (find and buy barley bran fiber from honeyvile grains - this has been proven to be easily tolerated by those with IBS. It will help stabilize your blood glucose and slow down movement of your shake thru your intestines.
1 gram B12, twice/day with food -helps with neurotransmitters
400 mg folic acid twice per day with food with B12, - helps neurotransmitters
1 gram (1.4 teaspoon) inositol - Bulk Nutrition or Now Foods (any retailer)
1/4 teaspoon choline 2 times a day - will help clear out liver congestion and any bile acid build up. aids in fat digestion as well as insulin resistance, insulin secretion - Bulk Nutrition
zinc 30 mgs x 2 times day - given your IBS issuesm you might try use of zinc losenges to by pass the digestive tract
good multiivtamin plus minerals - Walmart, once per day
NAC, N-acetylcysteine - 600 mgs 3x a day, in water, 20 min before eating - will boost gluthione. Any retailer. Bulk Nutrition has it in bulk at a good price.
Coenzyme Q, 100mg, once or twice per day, Walmart has Q-sorb.
i know this is alot to consume but i outline the basics there are other supplements, but right now we need to get your nervous system in and decrease that neuron stimulation (excitement anxiety) keep your liver and thyroid in check, and help the gut heal so that your fel better. OK?
Testing...we wait until you are on these supplements and then test.
Edited to simplify and clarify by trouble at 8:30pm Saturday, May 27, 2006
sam-e, if you are not taking it, must be on your list. 200-400mg, twice per day, with water, 20 min before eating. A must for you, your methylations reactions in lliver are poor. You can buy this at any drugstored - Walmart sells it as cheap as you can find it on-line.
TMG (trimethylglycine) 1/4 tspsoon 3 meals will also help, delivering extra methyl groups. Needed to supply methionine, which you don't make very well. Custom Nutrition warehouse
vitamin C, 3-4 grams per day, to help maintain glutathione, needed to make other sulfur bearing compounds in liver. Buy the ester form, take 500 mg at a time, start with 4 times a day, and work your way up to 1 gram 4x per day. Walmart carries it.
For thyroid function, selenium methionate is key. ihealthtree.com
taurine, magnesium citrate, GABA (1/4 tsp each,, in water, 3 times per day between meals; order all three from Bulk Nutrition.
Magnesium is necessary for many reactions in the body, you are low in it, because your kidneys are not operating efficiently. The citrate part of magnesium citrate will help start fatty acid synthesis and make ATP, which you MUST have to make cholesterol in liver. You do not make cholesterol and you have a problem releasing what fatty acids you have. The lack of taurine, makes your bile acids very irritating to your intestines. That leads to what we call leaky gut with food absorption issues and IBS. The taurine will help you also with your racing mind and anxiety.
For your IBS, olive oil, OTB. You need to add a small amount to modest protein shakes. These shakes must be taken with a little soluble fiber (find and buy barley bran fiber from honeyvile grains - this has been proven to be easily tolerated by those with IBS. It will help stabilize your blood glucose and slow down movement of your shake thru your intestines.
1 gram B12, twice/day with food -helps with neurotransmitters
400 mg folic acid twice per day with food with B12, - helps neurotransmitters
1 gram (1.4 teaspoon) inositol - Bulk Nutrition or Now Foods (any retailer)
1/4 teaspoon choline 2 times a day - will help clear out liver congestion and any bile acid build up. aids in fat digestion as well as insulin resistance, insulin secretion - Bulk Nutrition
zinc 30 mgs x 2 times day - given your IBS issuesm you might try use of zinc losenges to by pass the digestive tract
good multiivtamin plus minerals - Walmart, once per day
NAC, N-acetylcysteine - 600 mgs 3x a day, in water, 20 min before eating - will boost gluthione. Any retailer. Bulk Nutrition has it in bulk at a good price.
Coenzyme Q, 100mg, once or twice per day, Walmart has Q-sorb.
i know this is alot to consume but i outline the basics there are other supplements, but right now we need to get your nervous system in and decrease that neuron stimulation (excitement anxiety) keep your liver and thyroid in check, and help the gut heal so that your fel better. OK?
Testing...we wait until you are on these supplements and then test.
Edited to simplify and clarify by trouble at 8:30pm Saturday, May 27, 2006
Last edited by a moderator:
